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#1 GuyMeatdrapes

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 02:16 PM

thats Daisuke era and whip...bwhahahahahaha.....at least we knew our Jap pitcher was going to blow.....but he did beat the Yankees 2 times...10 er in 13 IP against them...he's as much as a Yankee killer as Josh Blister....oh yeah...the sox are paying 57 million dollars this year for a guy with those numbers....he must be giving sox fans the BBlues.

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Posted 04 May 2007 - 11:08 PM

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Although we didnt bid 50 million for our Irabu. clap.gif

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 02:15 AM

Here's a question, fool, have you watched any games or have you just looked at his ERA and WHIP and said "He's a bust" in order to mock Red Sox fans? It's a fucking month into the season...wanna talk about busts? How about the best hitting prospect in the game, Alex Gordon, hitting .167? How about Mr. Philip Hughes pitching a stinker and then getting injured? And don't give me bullshit about him pitching a no-hitter through six, that means nothing when you can't stay on the field. How about Kei Igawa who just gave up 8 ER in 4 innings against the Mariners...y'know, the same ones that knocked Daisuke around. God dammit, a single month doesn't tell you shit and you know that.

Okay, let's play a little game of guess the pitcher.
Pitcher A: 3-2, 38 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 15 BB, .241 BAA
Pitcher B: 1-1, 36 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 17 BB, .257 BAA

As you may have guessed, Pitcher A is Daisuke Matsuzaka with a 5.45 ERA and 1.32 WHIP (no idea where you got 1.40) and 39 Ks in 38 innings (and that includes his 1 strikeout game last night) and Pitcher B is Andy Pettite, your very own ace, who has a 3.00 ERA and a 1.44 WHIP and 23 Ks in 36 innings. League average WHIP is 1.37, for reference sake. Clearly Matsuzaka should have the superior statistics but he has a bit of trouble pitching with men on base, especially with RISP in which batters are hitting him at a .297 clip.

Daisuke has been amazing at times and at others he's, dare I say it, been a bit of a disappointment. He has this problem with big innings and is control hasn't been nearly as good as I expected it to be in the early going. But remember, US prospects come up through college and the minor leagues and know the strike zone, Matsuzaka has to get used to an entirely new one. Just give the guy time, he's clearly going to be better than the fat toad and the 103 million we've invested in him, including a Red Sox victory over Boras, will be worth a lot more than the 45 million you invested in Kei Igawa. Here, let's play another game...guess who Pitcher C is.

Pitcher A: 3-2, 38 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 15 BB, .241 BAA
Pitcher B: 1-1, 36 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 17 BB, .257 BAA
Pitcher C: 2-1, 30.2 IP, 35 H, 8 HR, 14 BB, X BAA

Of course, Pitcher C is Kei Igawa who now has a 7.63 ERA with 21 Ks.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 02:41 PM

Maybe he's just out of shape and they need to fire the conditioning coach. After all, grown men making millions of dollars shouldn't be expected to stay in shape on their own, should they?

Seriously, I'd be more concerned if he was getting tattooed. It's all a control issue at this point. He's got the talent.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 04:11 PM

Pitcher D: 5-0, 33.3 IP, 18H, 2HR, 18BB, .179 BAA.

He is only getting paid 391,000K too and was the NL pitcher of the month,
we didn't expect this out of John Maine and right now would be the top pitcher for the
Yankees and the 2nd starter on the Red Sox.

In the end, John Maine owns all.

Oh yeah, his WHIP is 1.07.
And has 37 Strikeouts. worshippy.gif

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 04:26 PM

Annnnnd, just for shits and giggles.

Pitcher E: 3-2, 29 IP, 26H, 2HR, 36Ks, 10BB, 1.24 WHIP and a 2.32 ERA with a .232 BAA.
He is Oliver Perez, ya know the guy who would pitch and walk to a blind guy, not anymore,
the guy is a strike out machine and thank God Pittsburgh couldn't fix him because we got a
steal in him. For all the flak Rick Peterson catches, he has turned around Perez, who's jump
over the foul line is getting higher and higher.

Again, he'd be the number 1 starter on the Yankees (if Ron Guidry could fix him :lol") and
he would be the 2nd starter on the Red Sox.

These two guys I wrote about were just throw-ins for their respective trades. I don't think any
Mets fan expected Maine and Perez to be this good after one month (even after Perez bad 2nd start, still doesn't compare
to Kei Igawa's dogshit performances this year) of the season.

And to the guys in the Bronx, you better watch your back cause the kids from Queens
are coming. flex.gif

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pitcher E: 3-2, 29 IP, 26H, 2HR, 36Ks, 10BB, 1.24 WHIP and a 2.32 ERA with a .232 BAA.
He is Oliver Perez, ya know the guy who would pitch and walk to a blind guy, not anymore,
the guy is a strike out machine and thank God Pittsburgh couldn't fix him because we got a
steal in him. For all the flak Rick Peterson catches, he has turned around Perez, who's jump
over the foul line is getting higher and higher.

Again, he'd be the number 1 starter on the Yankees (if Ron Guidry could fix him :lol") and
he would be the 2nd starter on the Red Sox.


Actually, if you want to use their performance from the first month of the season as the criteria (and I don't know why you would), he'd probably be the 3rd starter on the Sox behind Beckett and Wakefield. That's not even taking into account the fact that he pitches in the Minor, er, I mean National League, or that he hasn't faced a lineup even close to that of the Yankees, who Matsuzaka has already faced twice. Realistically, he'd be a nice 4th starter for us.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE(mickeef2 @ May 5 2007, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe he's just out of shape and they need to fire the conditioning coach. After all, grown men making millions of dollars shouldn't be expected to stay in shape on their own, should they?

Seriously, I'd be more concerned if he was getting tattooed. It's all a control issue at this point. He's got the talent.


It's seems slightly mental too, which is a surprise because this guy has shown a lot of poise at times. They talked about him on Baseball Tonight and said that he's rushing from the stretch position, throwing at about 1.8 seconds compared to 4.6 seconds in his windup. I think he'll be fine.

Pitcher A: 3-2, 38 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 39 Ks, 15 BB, .241 BAA
Pitcher B: 1-1, 36 IP, 35 H, 2 HR, 17 BB, 23 Ks, .257 BAA
Pitcher C: 2-1, 30.2 IP, 35 H, 8 HR, 21 Ks, 14 BB, .278 BAA
Pitcher D: 5-0, 33.3 IP, 18 H, 2 HR, 37 K, 18 BB, .179 BAA
Pitcher E: 3-2, 29 IP, 26 H, 2HR, 36 Ks, 10BB, .232 BAA
Pitcher F: 6-0, 39.2 IP, 33 H, 1 HR, 35 Ks, 9 BB, .219 BAA

Pitcher A: Daisuke Matsuzaka 5.45 ERA, 1.32 WHIP
Pitcher B: Andy Pettite 3.00 ERA, 1.44 WHIP
Pitcher C: Kei Igawa 7.63 ERA, 1.60 WHIP
Pitcher D: John Maine 1.37 ERA, 1.07 WHIP
Pitcher E: Oliver Perez 2.32 ERA, 1.24 WHIP
Pitcher F: Josh Beckett 2.72 ERA, 1.06 WHIP

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:41 PM

QUOTE(mickeef2 @ May 5 2007, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, if you want to use their performance from the first month of the season as the criteria (and I don't know why you would), he'd probably be the 3rd starter on the Sox behind Beckett and Wakefield. That's not even taking into account the fact that he pitches in the Minor, er, I mean National League, or that he hasn't faced a lineup even close to that of the Yankees, who Matsuzaka has already faced twice. Realistically, he'd be a nice 4th starter for us.



You mean the Minor Leagues who won the world series last year? rolleyes.gif
Come one Lorf, I expect that from a stupid fan, not you.



Looking at those numbers, John Maine would probably be the number 1 starter.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 06:51 PM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean the Minor Leagues who won the world series last year? rolleyes.gif
Come one Lorf, I expect that from a stupid fan, not you.
Looking at those numbers, John Maine would probably be the number 1 starter.


I didn't even say that! It was Mickeef!

And the NL does have some of the best fucking hitters in the game. I've never figured out why they're losing all these All Star games. I take pride in my knowledge of the NL and it annoys the fuck out of me when people only have knowledge about their own league.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE(LorfTVP @ May 5 2007, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't even say that! It was Mickeef!

And the NL does have some of the best fucking hitters in the game. I've never figured out why they're losing all these All Star games. I take pride in my knowledge of the NL and it annoys the fuck out of me when people only have knowledge about their own league.



Ah, my bad dude.


So Mickeef, the NL is inferior? Tell me which league and which team
won the World Series last year? As much as it pains me to say it,
the St. Louis Cardinals won the World Series that I refused to watch because
I believed the Mets should have been there.

And don't give me the crap about Interleague records, the only interleague
series that matters is the one in late October.


And Lorf, the NL keeps losing All-Star Games because of boneheaded managerial
decisions. Last year it was basically the Mets vs The AL because Carlos Beltran scored the first run
and David Wright hit a solo shot. We can thank Phil Garner for pulling David Wright for Miguel Cabrera, who
is a great hitter, but loafs and is starting to pack on the pounds. Why you don't add a hard throwing lefty closer **COUGH
Billy Wagner**COUGH to the team is mind boggling.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:18 PM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You mean the Minor Leagues who won the world series last year? rolleyes.gif
Come one Lorf, I expect that from a stupid fan, not you.
Looking at those numbers, John Maine would probably be the number 1 starter.

...and you got it from a stupid fan. clap.gif

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE(Dubweiser @ May 5 2007, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...and you got it from a stupid fan. clap.gif



I seriously thought it was Lorf who said it, I must have just skimmed the thread
and missed who wrote it. But saying that is just so utter ignorant and coming
from a fan who's team finished in 3rd place last year, behind the Yankees and
Blue Jays.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:45 PM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So Mickeef, the NL is inferior? Tell me which league and which team
won the World Series last year? As much as it pains me to say it,
the St. Louis Cardinals won the World Series that I refused to watch because
I believed the Mets should have been there.

And don't give me the crap about Interleague records, the only interleague
series that matters is the one in late October.


You're right, the only thing that matters is winning it all. The team that wins it all has bragging rights over everybody else for the next year. However, how do you figure that makes their league better? You're gonna take one series between two teams at the end of the year and use it as your basis for which league is better? Uh, okay. Hope you're not taking statistics in college. The Cards were probably the worst team to ever win a World Series. Anyway, I'll use the numerous interleague games played (the AL dominated) and the list of pitchers who struggle in the AL and suddenly find new life in the NL, and vice versa. I don't think there's much of a debate in baseball circles these days about which league is better.

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Posted 05 May 2007 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE(LorfTVP @ May 5 2007, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's seems slightly mental too.


I was kidding about him being out of shape. Some teams actually think their pitchers need to be told by a conditioning coach to keep their legs in shape.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 01:20 AM

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You're gonna take one series between two teams at the end of the year and use it as your basis for which league is better?



That's how it was done before 1997, interleague is just for the fans, media and so the MLB
can make more money. If it were up to me, I'd abolish interleague play and let the teams play
more teams within the division.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 02:39 AM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I seriously thought it was Lorf who said it, I must have just skimmed the thread
and missed who wrote it. But saying that is just so utter ignorant and coming
from a fan who's team finished in 3rd place last year, behind the Yankees and
Blue Jays.


Seriously, man, seriously. I'd think that your shock at the possibility of me making such a statement would at least make you second guess if it was me.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 02:56 AM

QUOTE(LorfTVP @ May 5 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, man, seriously. I'd think that your shock at the possibility of me making such a statement would at least make you second guess if it was me.



Again, like I said I didn't read through the whole thread, I shouldn't assume. brooding.gif

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE(Golfingkid1027 @ May 5 2007, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again, like I said I didn't read through the whole thread, I shouldn't assume. brooding.gif


Haha, sorry about that. You've already eaten your humble pie, I don't need to shove your face into it.

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:15 AM

7 IP, 5 H, 3 BB, 8 K, 108 pitches

He walked three guys but he his control was a lot better this game as about half of his strikeouts were looking. Go Matsuzaka. worshippy.gif

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 02:17 AM

9 IP 6 H 1 ER 5 K 124 pitches

Looks like this guy jinxed it with the thread.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE(gateb @ May 14 2007, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
9 IP 6 H 1 ER 5 K 124 pitches

Looks like this guy jinxed it with the thread.

against a free swinging team thats never seen him before.....and it only took him 124 pitches...Im not impressed

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 01:39 PM

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against a free swinging team thats never seen him before.....and it only took him 124 pitches...Im not impressed



Yeah, I'd rather take 4 and 2/3s innings from your 5th starter anyday.

Give credit when credit is due.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 02:02 PM

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Yeah, I'd rather take 4 and 2/3s innings from your 5th starter anyday.

Give credit when credit is due.

he doesnt impress me, sorry.

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Posted 15 May 2007 - 03:16 PM

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he doesnt impress me, sorry.


Yeah, lord knows your a Yankees pro scout. rolleyes.gif




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