Go_Eli

I thought the Fab 4 said Arrington was out of the Giants' picture?

How do you explain this one morons?

Why not? Open your eyes.

 

Didn't Tim Lewis say last year that he was going to start mixing it up.

 

I'm not saying full time 3-4. Just gradually mixing it in through the season and maybe it would be full time within 1-2 years.

 

It's proven to work and is what's been winning championships the past couple years. The Patriots, Ravens, and Steelers(I think) have all succesfully used it.

Yeah, maybe in a few years. Not this year.

I also think Strahan and Osi would be less effective in a 3-4.

Yeah he is - he was off the Giants radar weeks ago but now its official - Short will start along with Emmons with Torbor, and the new rookie coming in to spell them.

Yes, because signing a SLB means a WLB won't be signed.

I think we might be foreshadowing converting to more of a 3-4 defense.

One word: No.

Sorry Money

Eagles select DT, Jonathan Lewis, VT.

So true - we report things 3 weeks before the media gets wind of it. The FAB 4 not only knows the decisions of NFL clubs before the media, we help these clubs make the right decisions - if only that EA had listened to us the Giants would have Ben Roethlisberger, Shawn Meriman and a 3rd Lombardy Trophy.

Name TWO things that you've been right one.

the FAB 4 are always a step ahead...its this kind of thinking that makes winners...it may not always sway with the popular opinion, but it is always thought of with the Organizations best interests at heart...if you can upgrade a handful of positions at the cost of 2 unhappy players, why not ??

What the fuck have you ever been ahead on?

im not one to say it, but I TOLD YOU SO...

 

voluntary for the stupid means i dont need to be here...voluntary for a winner, looking to get better means being there every step of the way...

 

as each day get closer to the draft, i only hope we are packaging up what will be a draft day deal involving Shockey and Plax.

Great idea. Lets get rid of 2 guys who both had above average years and replace them with guys who haven't worked with Eli Manning EVER. That is sure to improve on-field chemistry.

Great idea Floyd. When are you getting a call to work for the Giants?

Should we get rid of the offensive line because they didn't have great communication last year either?

Must be a sad life for the Fab 4.

Yes, and Drew's clients never win - come into camp out of shape (Shockey, Plaxico , and Portis) never win the big game. I have nothing againt the Rosehaus clients - it is notable that none of them are winners, almost all are well paid and None like to work in the off-season. Lesson learned is if you see a Rosenhaus represented player - stay away - stay far away. Rosenhaus and Psoton represented players who want big bucks for little production.

Shockey came into camp out of shape? Come on asshole.

While McNabb, Bledsoe and Brunnell are already throwing with their receivers, Shockey and Plaxico are attending fashion shows and cast parties in Miami - Thanks a lot guys!

Even though the articles states that guys from Miami get a bad rap. Do you even read Lockhart?

***NEW SELECTION***

Eagles select Roger McIntosh, LB, Miami

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...-workouts_x.htm

Former Hurricanes sweat big stuff at Miami

By Chris Colston, USA TODAY

 

CORAL GABLES, Fla. — Other than being located amid the lovely palms of southern Florida, there is nothing special about the University of Miami's weight room. It's big enough, but the windows need a good wash, and the rubberized floor kind of squishes beneath your feet. Yes, the Gatorade machine is nice, but other than that, it's like pretty much every big-time collegiate gym.

 

 

Except in the offseason when it's the center of the universe for many top NFL players.

 

"Look around here. See all this?" Denver Broncos defensive end Kenard Lang says. He makes a sweeping motion toward a collection of athletes that includes Washington Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss, New York Giants defensive tackle William Joseph and Broncos linebacker D.J. Williams. "They come here to see Mr. Wizard. He'll get you right."

 

"Mr. Wizard" is Andreu Swasey, the University of Miami's strength and conditioning coach. Since 2000 he's overseen offseason workouts for such superstars as Edgerrin James, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, Reggie Wayne, Sean Taylor and Ed Reed.

 

But despite the results, some players have come under heat for laboring here.

 

James didn't see the workouts, but he saw the results firsthand. (Related story: Cardinals need to throw Edge a line)

 

While he was sweating in Miami, sticking to his workout regimen, teammates Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison worked on their timing in Indianapolis. Their long hours of private work made them one of the most prolific duos in NFL history.

 

Giants coach Tom Coughlin had a Manning of his own — Eli. Only there was one problem. His top two receivers, newly acquired wideout Plaxico Burress and tight end Jeremy Shockey, were in Miami with James.

 

Manning, 25, had a nice second season, passing for 3,762 yards and 24 touchdowns. But his completion percentage could have been much better (52.8), and that's where timing comes into play. Even though Shockey arrived at training camp last season in terrific shape, Coughlin wasn't happy.

 

"I don't question that part of his workout," Coughlin said at this year's NFL Combine. "I just think the important thing is for the players to be together."

 

If his receivers join him for the upcoming voluntary sessions, Manning said he might trek to Miami for three or four days.

 

He'd be more than welcome. "The only thing we're missing here," Wayne says, "is a good quarterback who can throw us the ball."

 

Swasey says people get a bad perception of Miami because they envision players partying in South Beach instead of focusing on football. "You (got to) have fun, but you need balance," he says. "You never hear about guys down here getting in trouble. The atmosphere is very safe. It's private; people can't come in and hang around. There are a lot of plusses to training here."

 

In 2001, James felt the pressure. "There was the big thing about me not going to Indianapolis for the voluntary workouts," he says, "but I was working out harder here. The main people around the building weren't really trippin'. It was more just certain people. It was a dead time of the year. And people just ran with it. It got blown out of proportion and became a big story."

 

That season James had 855 total yards in six games before tearing up his knee in the Colts' sixth game. He credits his offseason regimen to his comeback; in his last three seasons, he's averaged 1,438 yards and 11 touchdowns.

 

"If I stick to this sheet, I'm straight," says James, who starts his regimen in February. "All I have to do is complete my day."

 

Not everybody, Swasey knows, is enamored with players skipping their NFL club's voluntary workouts to be with him. "Sometimes I sit back and think, 'Man, I hope I don't cause any major waves,' " he says. "But in my heart of hearts, my mind-set is the best for the athlete. I know people said of EJ, 'Oh, he's down in Miami; he doesn't care about the team.' But he's down here working probably harder than anybody."

 

James, who is single but has three daughters, also says he needs the time to decompress.

 

"From the first day of training camp to your last game, you're doing the same routine no matter what. I need to get totally away from it," he says.

 

"In the offseason I spend time with my family, with my grandma, everybody. I get to be a dad, and I get my workout in. I kill two birds with one stone."

 

After signing a free agent contract with Arizona, he asked the Cardinals to mail him their playbook. He also wants quarterback Kurt Warner to fly to Miami for workouts. He doesn't see any reason to be in Arizona, "sitting in a meeting room when I'm not about to play anybody. That's the coach's job. That's what they're getting paid for."

 

Some of it, James believes, comes down to the controlling nature indigenous to many coaches.

 

"There are coaches who would rather you come and just look them in the face every day," James says.

 

"But some people don't need babysitters, man. I guess the people who need babysitters make it bad for the people who don't."

 

When James first arrived in Indianapolis as a rookie, he experienced a mild case of culture shock. Swasey, a Hurricanes assistant strength coach from 1997-98, had worked the team hard, but they had fun. They'd hang out, talk trash and compete. "Then I went to the pros, and it wasn't like that," James says. "I was 20 years old. In the pros you had older people, they'd go in, feel like they did what they had to do and that was it. So I came back here and kept working out with these guys."

 

Swasey, 34, returned to Coral Gables in 2000, and the thing grew from there. While former Hurricanes such as Michael Irvin and Vinny Testaverde had returned to campus before, it was never as organized as it is under Swasey. Even New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, a Miami native, has his own cabinet in Swasey's office to keep his gear, a shelf above James'.

 

The NFL players who flock here do it for the camaraderie, yes, but also because Swasey drives them hard and talks to them honestly.

 

"These athletes trust me with their careers," Swasey says. "They're counting on me to help them reach the next level. But I'm not going to sugarcoat it for them. I tell them that up front. We're going to have fun, but we're going to get the work done. It's not going to be a goof-off session."

 

He doesn't make his point by screaming; instead he presents the facts in a simple, matter-of-fact manner. And he's not above a little taunting. A former cornerback, Swasey, 34, lettered at Baylor from 1992-93.

 

Swasey makes them do the hard stuff first in the workout: the running and the abdominals. The easy part, the players say, is the weightlifting.

 

"Part of it is they know somebody is going to be on them," Swasey says. "Great athletes want to be driven. People think these athletes are prima donnas. But Santana, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin, Willis McGahee, these guys keep coming back. They want to do the work."

 

Moss points to those windows. "Look outside. It's beautiful," he says. "I could be doing anything else today. But I'm in here."

 

Some of the players compensate Swasey for his time but not all. "This isn't about trying to make a dollar," he says. "That's not my mind-set. From the beginning, I was just happy to see them. It's for the (undergraduate) kids. That's my whole thing. If I'm a player here and I see Edgerrin and Portis come around, all these major guys, I (got to) think, 'This program must be working.' It helps me with my motivation."

 

The weather is conducive to exercise, and Swasey is there to push the players to work harder. But there's something else going on here. It's that "U" thing, a feeling of brotherhood. Some of the players refer to the workouts as "Club Swasey."

 

"When you walk through those double doors, it's a different mind-set," Swasey says. "The players know it's not about one guy. You're not the greatest we've ever had — that's been preached. So when you think you're the best, we let them know, 'We've had a lot of them now.' There's something they have to live up to.

 

"It's like going from a Chevy dealership to a Mercedes dealership. You're going to dress a little different, carry yourself a different way."

 

The fraternal feeling is thick here. Sometimes the players might go directly from the gym, shower and meet for lunch or dinner.

 

To James, the workout is sacred; the sheet doesn't lie, and if he sticks to it, he knows he's going to be fine.

 

"My chart is always on the incline, so if I do the work, my body can't help but get stronger. I know I could probably wait until June to start working out and still get away with it. But this system works for me."

 

That system includes quite a bit of recreational basketball, which probably isn't sending the Cardinals into cartwheels of happiness.

 

James says there's nothing to worry about. "My knee is stronger than ever," he says.

 

"You're playing with people who have the same mind-set. You're not trying to kill each other; nobody wants to get hurt. If you see somebody going up for a dunk, you're not going to contest them."

 

In the end, the overriding factor in why this whole thing works is simple.

 

"You look forward to this, man," says Wayne, relaxing in Swasey's office.

 

Look forward to it? To running, sweating and grunting in the heat?

 

Wayne grins. "I know. Don't get me wrong. It ain't easy now. It's hard work. Coach Swasey pushes us to the limit.

 

"But we have a great time together, and when you look in the mirror and see the results ... It has brought my game up so much.

 

"Look at my stats; I'm improving every year. Ninety-five percent of that is this. Going against Ed Reed and Mike Rumph, man, pushing yourself against all these great players?

 

"That can't help but make you better."

Pretty nice, eh?

Even though he's round 2 talent.

Hey Einstein........the guy came with a big tag on his lapel that spelled out L-A-Z-Y. Take one look at him and you don't need to be a nuero surgeon to understand why. He's a loser who will never amount to anything other than another failed first round draft choice by Ernie. And now the Fab Four are on the clock I believe............

How come the Fab 4 is the only fuckin group that thinks this bullshit is true?

Hopefully, it will be a player who chooses to work out in the offseason with his teammates versus partying in Miami.

Show me a story that tells the story of William Joseph being known as a party animal in Miami instead of working out.

Show me Lockhart.

Just don't pick another William Joseph please.

Just go away please.

A man can hope right?

Any NFL team would be envious to have the Fab Four in their corner. If their true indentities were ever revealed people would be in shock and awe. Unfortunately this can never happen. We await our turn.

LOL right. This is why the Fab 4 are on BBI and such and give us truly breaking news.

This is true, but we have not been asked to do so. We would make the best pick possible.

You have not been asked to represent the Jags?

Good. I wouldn't want the Fab 4 representing my organization.

Are the Fab 4 talking to the Jags front office now, telling them that the F4 are about to make a pick for the Jags in a mock draft. I mean, they are the best, most informed fans ever, so every FO must know about them

The thing that convinced me to take Holmes was the Eagles offense and how last year, they passed the ball like 70% of the time.

Gotta throw to someone right?

That Holmes pick was tough. Between him and Greenway.

***NEW SELECTION***

Eagles select Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State.