mickeef2

no offense taken.....but I dont think its premature to put Joba in the same sentence as Beckett. Joba has proven he can dominate as a starting pitcher....and in the toughest division in baseball at that. Joba has dominated as a starter at every level. Putting him in the bullpen is really dumb...just like putting backett or any other dominating SP...Maybe the yankees should use CC Sabathia as the 8th inning guy.

 

see how dumb that sounds?

Sounds really dumb. Just like when you use his name and Beckett's in the same sentence. Sabathia's a perennial Cy Young candidate, Joba has started for about half a season. Beckett's "injury history", as you put it, is mostly blisters, while many teams passed on Joba in the draft because they thought his arm was shot. Last year he was shut down again due to arm issues. I'd say those "injury histories" are just a little bit different. The fact that they "both throw in the mid 90s"? Ha, - great logic. So does Mo. Let's make him a starter.

Oh well, you still have the "they're both fat" argument.

so you also think that Josh Beckett should be moved to the bullpen to set up for Paplebaum?

And why would I think that?

Well, I don't know if he has a conflict of interest by being the representative of so many good players, but I do know that he definitely didn't bargain in good faith on the whole Texeira thing. Pretty obvious that he had an agreement in place with the Yankees all along that he would go out and get the highest bid he could, and that they would top it. And why wouldnt he? They obviously wanted him, and had by far the most money to spend. Teams will just have to start deciding whether they will do business with him anymore or not, and while the Sox say they're contemplating not doing it anymore, you know they will if the right player comes along.

I don't see how the Yankees could take on Manny at this point. Manny, Nady, Matsui, Damon, Swisher, Melky, Gardner- that's a crowded outfield with horrible balance (the guys that can hit can't play defense, and vice-versa). Also, I don't think Manny can play left field in a place like Yankee Stadium every day.

Personally, I would use him out of the bullpen for many reasons. One, the rotation is already clogged up (although spring training hasn't started yet) and I would be looking to get more work for Hughes this year in the rotation as the #5 starter, since I think he'll have a bounce-back year. Also, I think Joba's tailor-made to be a closer, and Mo has, what, two years left on his contract? I would make him (Joba) the 8th inning guy, which takes all the pressure off of everybody else in the bullpen, grooming him to be the closer either next year or in 2011, depending on how things go with Mo this year. I wouldn't trust Joba's arm to hold up under the stress of being a starter for a full season.

it was the bullpen and the bullshit dimensions of Trashway Park that blew 2 games in Boston...Ton yht Tiger would have cleared the bases with that ground rule double he it that would have given the yankees a 2 run lead

I've seen lots of blame tossed around for the biggest choke in sports history, but this is the first time I've seen the dimensions of Fenway as a reason. I'm just gonna assume you're being satirical.

Steelers- 24

Cards- 23

Eagles- 0

Seriously Keef, you need to focus and you'll see he's not saying that.

Sort of like I never said we shouldn't even consider signing the guy because of what happened yesterday?

Anyway, there was a reason Bradshaw fell so low, just like there's a reason you don't just go throwing away draft picks for a guy without doing your homework and taking everything into account.

Interviewed Monday afternoon on ESPN's NFL Live, Boldin dismissed the characterization of him not wanting to share in the Cardinals' celebration.

"I didn't leave through a back door, I just tried to get in and out [after the game]," Boldin told ESPN. "I didn't want [the postgame] story line to be me and Todd getting into it on the sideline."

Well, I guess that does it. After all, Boldin said so himself. He probably just wanted to get home and catch 60 Minutes.

Boldin had a 15 second argument on the sideline. He didn't:

 

- shoot someone (or himself)

- put his head in an oven

- slag off his teammate, current or former, to reporters

- get arrested

 

He's a better player and a better person than many WRs out there.

lol So these are now the guidelines separating "good guy" from "bad guy"? Uh, okay.

Wow guys, try to focus, okay? Again, I never said we shouldn't pursue this guy, I never said he's a criminal. What I said was that the organization should be at least a little concerned after seeing that yesterday. Do you not think they will be?

The play was called though, he wasn't involved and that's what he was annoyed at. Also, let's not let Haley off the hook here as he could very well have just shut his mouth and just got on with it. Haley was involved with Warner earlier in the game also, they were arguing over something.

Well, I suppose we could make excuses for the guy all day if we wanted to. Funny, I don't ever hear anybody try to defend TO when he pulls this stuff, even though he risked his career by playing hurt in a Super Bowl. You'd think he get a free pass for life.

This is not to say that Boldin is not a malcontent, but let's face facts here, you might be pissed also if your wide receiver partner who was drafted after you, just got signed to a humongous contract at the beginning of the season, virtually leaving you knowing you are playing this season as your last, forgetting the fact that before this season you were probably the most valauble member of the offense. You might be pissed off that you almost had your face caved in this season and came back determined as ever. You might be pissed off that you missed last weeks game and you're desperate to play in this game, and that you are being pulled off the field at a critical because of personnel reasons. Again, not saying that he's not a Burress type, he may well be. But the signs so far show that he's not and that maybe in the era of the pre madonna wide receiver, he's really not that bad at all.

 

I mean Amani Toomer is revered as a Giant, and he was never pissed off at not getting the ba..... oh wait, yes he was.

Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't be pissed off. However, you're punishing your teammates when you start making an issue out of it on the sidelines during the NFC Championship game while your OC is trying to call plays.

Plenty of fuck you you motherfucking motherfucker should do quite nicely. Enough disgruntlement and they will be lowering the asking price just to be rid of the headache.

...and then he becomes...our headache . I'd be a little worried about going after this guy after seeing his behavior during the game yesterday. No matter what's going on, you keep it bottled up for the good of the team during a game. I know there are people who will say Boldin just has a problem with Whisenhunt, and that once he gets out of AZ he'll be fine, but guys like this always find a problem with someone wherever they go.

Hmmm...SoCal says the Steelers and my pet monkey says the Cards. What a quandary.

Anybody see the Eagle players celebrating with the Cards? Kinda strange. They looked a little too happy for a team that just lost.

Eagles are this year's Packers.

This is painful. If McNabb doesn't complete that long 3rd down pass to Curtis at the beginning of the 3rd quarter, this game is over.

Even with Play action I dont think opponents defenses would of still respected our passing game, it was just suffering badly during the Eagles game.

 

Dont know what happened to the screens though...didnt run to many during the season as well.

Well, again fellas, screen passes don't work as well when the other team has eight guys in the box because they have no respect for your WRs. Our receiving corps wasn't great even without Plax, but in the wind they're pretty much taken out of the game.

Yeah that was another main reason I think we played shitty that day.

 

I know everyone was saying our run game was doing well but in the end we did do alot of "run-run-pass" series and BJ/Ward we're only getting 2-4 yards per pick up at most. They did rattle off the nice 10-15 yarder from time to time as well but most of their runs we're botteled up and that was due to the fact the Eagles had no fear of the passing game.

 

They had no respect for the passing game that day, heck with Eli throwing the way he was and the WRs we had out there I don't blame em.

That's gonna be the problem for Eli in the wind until he gets it fixed. Teams like the Eagles give him nothing but the wide receivers to throw to, and only along the sidelines and deep.

I dont know but I'm sure someone will end up blaming it on Plax.

Honestly, the Cards have Fitzgerald and Boldin and that forces the Eagles to focus on the outside, too. Against us, they didn't have any respect for our receivers, and it turned out they were justified. They were able to clog up the middle with no risk. If Plax were there, it might have made a difference.

Watching the Cards march down the field on the Eagles is really frustrating. Where were our little dump-offs to Bradshaw and Ward after allowing the Eagle blitz to penetrate? You really have to scratch your head.

right on, there was something inevitable about it for me and I was able to get over it quickly with the help of 2 bloody marys.

Same here. Not saying I was expecting them to lose, but I couldn't get the thought out of my mind that they had lost 3 of 4 to end the season, that the Eagles had just whooped us in the same stadium a few weeks prior, that Carney missed a big kick to end the season in Minny, and then when I heard it was going to be windy...

Even though I loved Manny, I mean Plax, and the team definitely missed Manny, I mean Plax, there are way too many reasons that I can think of why he won't be coming back.

1.) They suspended him without pay, and you know Plax would always hold that against them to some degree, no matter how rational their decision was. That's just the way Plax thinks.

2.) What are the odds that Plax turns into a model citizen after this? 50/50 maybe?

3.) While they were smart to suspend him and, in essence, take care of Goodell's work for him, I'm sure he still will be suspended by the league for some length of time (I would think four games, minimum), and they can't afford to start next year without a big play threat at WR.

4.) He may have to serve prison time.

5.) There are good options at the WR position available this offseason.

He needs to go. He's just too risky to take a chance on at this point.

Imagine going through it twice, then. Six months ago, my baseball team was also on the verge of another title. And just like with the Gmen, one selfish player screwed it all up.

My section stood the almost the entire game. Horseshit the fans were loud and when they did get quiet was after screaming their heads off for a minute on a 3rd and 20 only to see it completed for 21 and when they missed on 2 4th and shorts. What people do not understand about Giant fans I think is that we actually realize you make noise when on defense, not on offense. I was in Baltimore once and those dipshits make noise when they have the ball. The crowd was fine. I find it hysterical that people want to blame the paying customers in any way on this loss.

Well, again, I wasn't there, but lots of people are saying that it wasn't that loud, or that fans were sitting on their hands. Either way, I don't think anybody's blaming the loss on the fans, so don't get yourself too crazy about it. I can say that I've been to games where it was dead and whiny old guys were telling everybody to sit down, but then again the only game I went to this year (Seattle) the crowd was great.