BronxRik

I don't know who this guy is, I stumbled across him on Youtube. I posted his vid in the Kafka thread because he had a twit by Tynes about trading for Josh Allen, and now he pops up on my home page as a recommendation, so I figured I'd share with you guys. Figured you guys will either like him or tear me to shreds for posting his stuff. I like some of what he says. 

I don't know either, I just found it funny Tynes suggesting we could trade for Allen. 

1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said:

Yeah but it would of cost more and potentially Eli not winning any SBs.

We traded for Eli and had to give up the #4 pick and up  firsts, plus other picks. 

Imagine what the deal would of been having to trade the #8 or 9 pick instead.

It's all hindsight but I'd much rather only have to pick a new QB or WR or who ever they want instead of having to trade for them when we already vastly lack talent on the roster. 

 

Yeah, I get that. In trading from 8-12 we'd give up more and who knows how that affects the future. Maybe no Manningham, no Tyree, etc. I was just sayin' they wanted Eli and they'd do anything to get him. 

8 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

 

I don't want to see the Giants loose we've had the worst record in the NFL the last 10 years. 

But I also don't want them to miss a chance to draft a franchise changing player.  

Imagine if in 2003 we won one or two more games and slid into the 8-12 pick range, we'd never have Eli. 

Accorsi gets that deal done no matter what. They wanted Eli. He would have had to break the future bank, but we'd have Eli. And I still think we beat the 'Skins and Pats, spiraling us out of the top 5. 

Tanking the season is as ridiculous as me suggesting the Oline was pissed over the off season contract drama and sucked on purpose. 

Besides, even we can beat the Redskins and Patriots. 

I just don't understand how anyone could look at this line and not do anything to address it. We're top of the lists in bad stats, and bottom of the lists in good stats. We've got players getting hurt because of bad play. What does it take to put a good line together? Invest every penny on the line. I just can't get my head wrapped around it. 

54 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said:

Well it's been 10 plus years.

We're all pretty used to it by now.

Any bets on Mara pulls the same BS and fired Daboll and Schoen after year two?

Sure we've had bad seasons, but this is ridiculous. At least there have been glimmers of hope. This just feels hopeless, and every announcer and sports commentator takes shots at us and it just gets to me. And, I'm not used to it. 

2 minutes ago, boohyah said:

You won't be saying that in January when we are 9-8.

I will gladly eat my words if we end up 9-8. 

Tired of being the redheaded stepchildren of the NFL. 

Just an awful season. Awful. 

48 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

I'm not sure we're going to crack 100 yards of total offense this game. season

FIXED!

Well ain't I stupid. I've always thought he was going to be in the 2025 draft. 

And there it is. 

if this goes 14-0 we're looking at another 40 point shutout.

Oh well, so much for that.

Defense making it a game. Come on Devito. 

Damn. Hoping we would score first. 

Wow. Empty in here. Guess I'll keep my rep as a thread killer. 

 GO GMEN!!! 

My record sucks making the gameday threads, but nobody else has a good record making them, so I'm rolling the dice today.

Please spoil Jerruh's dreams. Thank you.  

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The New York Giants are at a fork in the road.

They enter Sunday at 2-7 prepared to start undrafted rookie quarterback Tommy DeVito, who began the season as a third-stringer, against the Dallas Cowboys due to multiple injuries and face the prospect of a long final eight games of the season.

What awaits them if the struggles continue is a high draft pick (they entered Week 10 with the No. 4 overall selection). What they do with that pick will have long-term ramifications.

If the season plays out as it has up to this point, these appear to be their options: Use a high pick to potentially select one of the draft's top QBs or use a high pick to support current franchise quarterback Daniel Jones, who will miss the remainder of the season after tearing his ACL on Nov. 5.

We won't know which direction they'll choose until after the season.

If the Giants decide to select a QB next spring, they could be well-situated to do so -- thanks in part to the homework and due diligence they've been doing this fall.

 

Giants general manager Joe Schoen spent Saturday at a game between Alabama and Kentucky in Lexington, Kentucky, a quick stopover to scout some of the top talent in college football before traveling to Texas for New York's game against Dallas.

Schoen has scouted some of college football's top passers in recent weeks due in part to the proximity the college contests have been to where the Giants have played that weekend. Schoen's scouting path is based on reports from beat writers who cover college football, cross-checked with various sports information directors around the country.

Schoen was in-person for North Carolina's game on Sep. 2 against South Carolina in Charlotte. That game featured UNC's quarterback Drake Maye, an underclassman who will have until Jan. 15, 2024 to petition the league for draft eligibility. That game took place before Jones played a down on his four-year, $160 million contract he signed this offseason -- a deal that will pay him $46 million this season.

Schoen was not on the QB trail at that time -- it was just part of his Labor Day travel plans -- but his attendance afforded him the opportunity to watch Maye live.

In September, Schoen also attended Clemson-Duke in Durham, N.C., and Florida St.-LSU in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Those two games featured plenty of talented players, including Duke QB Riley Leonard and LSU's Jayden Daniels. Daniels is a senior, while Leonard is an underclassmen.

Most notably, Schoen attended USC's game against Washington on Nov. 4 -- a game that featured USC quarterback Caleb Williams, who won the 2022 Heisman Trophy, and Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr.

That game marked the second time this fall that Schoen attended a USC game, as he also was in attendance for USC-Notre Dame on Oct. 14.

 

Williams is an underclassman and faces the same draft-decision deadline as Maye and Leonard. Penix is a senior.

It should be noted that NFL general managers routinely schedule weekend college trips to coincide with where their teams play that Sunday, and there were a number of highly regarded prospects at each game. For example, the Giants played at the Las Vegas Raiders the weekend of the Washington-USC game in Los Angeles.

The Giants could also not end up drafting near the top of the first round. Backup QB Tyrod Taylor (injured reserve; ribs) could return as soon as Week 14, as could tight end Darren Waller (injured reserve; hamstring). Getting those two players back in the lineup could generate a few more wins.

Jones is slated to have knee surgery in the coming weeks and should be able to participate in Week 1 of the 2024 season, sources say. He's due $35.5 million fully guaranteed on his base salary next year, an indication he's likely to be on the team.

Jones' injury history -- he also missed games in 2021 and 2023 due to neck injuries -- is indication the team could at least consider its options at the position.

The Giants currently have 16 players on their 53-man roster and reserve lists from the drafts that preceded the hiring of Schoen and head coach Brian Daboll in 2022. Just a handful (Jones, running back Saquon Barkley, offensive tackle Andrew Thomas and defensive lineman Dexter Lawrence, for example) are starters; evidence they could go in multiple directions in the first round of the 2024 draft.

Could they opt to add a top-rated wide receiver to a skill group that includes tight end Darren Waller, rookie Jalin Hyatt and others for Jones? Or would they be in the market for a quarterback.

When Schoen was in Buffalo with Daboll as assistant general manager to Brandon Beane, the Bills used the 2018 season to reset a bit and prepare then-rookie Josh Allen to be their franchise QB. After overachieving the previous year with a surprise playoff berth, they utilized the 2018 season to set up their rise to prominence in the AFC. The hope for the Giants is a 2023 season that has been such a struggle with endless injuries to all of their key positions is used in a similar way.

 

Nothing will be more important than how they use that first-round pick.

Giants GM Joe Schoen has attended college games featuring top QBs this fall

I'm not hoping for a QB next year. That's the knee jerk reaction. Jones will be back, Taylor will be back (maybe this season). Hoping they finally address the O-Line, heavily, and wait until 2025. We're going to be stuck paying Jones no matter what, ride it out and get Manning.  Resign ourselves to another year, maybe two, of suckage and hope for the best in the future.  Of course, a lame duck Jones turning it up for his next team/contract screws this all up. That's why we should address the other positions instead of a QB. 

10 hours ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said:

  When it works it works... it is more an art and not a science.

Of that we are in total agreement. How many Heisman busts are out there? The draft is a total crap shoot. And by no means does it mean that if the same deal came up we would have the same success. However, knowing what we know about the S.D. deal, I make that deal without question. 

3 hours ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said:

I agree with you... today I would wince at the price they paid for him back then.

Surely you jest my friend. San Diego went nowhere with Rivers or any of the picks. Yeah they had winning seasons, but never got to the game that matters. They got a kicker in Nate Keading and Shawne Merriman (who was more interested in being a steroid enhanced celebrity than a football player). Hell, they traded one of the 5th rounders which eventually got traded to Tampa Bay.

2 Superbowl rings, 2 SB MVP's, a stretch of Giants pride, and one of if not THE top plays in SB history was worth every penny and I'd do it all over again if the opportunity came up. 

Wince? I think not. 

21 hours ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said:

What happened... who got on the grudge feeling train...?

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