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Just wanted to quote mcqueef from the Arod thread

I wouldn't be so quick to suspect a guy like Manny. From all accounts, the guy works harder than anybody else no matter what team he's on, so I'd have to see some proof before I convict him.

just wanted to make sure you are held accountable for what you said

Bonds, Clemens and Rodriguez will get in.

I agree because when push comes to shove and you take out the years they allegedly did steroids, they are still HOFers. Arod at the moment has the best chance of the three because he has admitted to what he did (you don't have to believe him entirely but his story at least makes sense) and he still has 9 years left in his career. So technically, he will have had 13 years of his career when testing occurred to back up most of his story.

I'm curious as to why he won't answer the question of what he took. He obviously knows what he was taking, but he is using the "I don't know" route. Pretty weak. Just come clean. I will have more respect for him if he would just say what he was using.

 

The fact that he won't say leads me to believe that he may have used HGH. I would not want to say that I used HGH because then people would say that he could be still using it and nobody would know. Obviously, the positive tests were for something different. But if A-Rod says that he was using steroid A and that's it, then later it is discovered that he did use steroid A but he's also used HGH, he will look even worse than he does right now, and nobody will believe any statement he gives of contrition.

 

By continuing to be vague about what exactly he put into his body when questioned, in my mind he continues to keep a cloud of suspicion over him, and there are still unanswered questions that must be accounted for if he truly wishes to remove all skepticism from his career even going forward.

 

I say this as a baseball fan, not as a Met fan, or Yankee hater. I would say the same thing if this story broke about David Wright.

 

It will never happen, but I wish A-Rod would voluntarily submit to random HGH testing for the remainder of his career to lead the way and truly show that he is serious about his contrition.

I got a theory. Obviously all of this was orchestrated by his PR people and lawyers.

Now, if he comes out and says whatever substance he did do, then Congress is going to come after him with a shitload of questions and they will want names and dates. They will probably call him in to try and get him involved. If he acts naive and says he didn't know what he took then it's harder for them to come after him.

if it were up to me, anyone who had the numbers would get in. baseball has always been a game of cheaters. to all of a sudden be self righteous about it, is pure hypocrisy.

All the old time guys who are in the HOF took amphetamines. That stuff has been running wild in baseball since the 60's. Mays, mantle and all those guys did it. All of a sudden now we make a big deal about it. Just let them all in, f it. Maybe now we should make the number a little higher, say 550 homers instead of 500 to accommodate the higher home run totals.

And you are right, whatever edge you can get in baseball you take. Whether it's using pine tar, vaseline on your hat for pitching, stealing signs, whatever. Cheating has always been in baseball.

Not trying to stoke the fires here, but I can't give him too much credit for what he said today. A Rod, like basically everybody else who has been caught, admitted to what he had to admit to. Since nobody had any physical evidence on Bonds, he could always deny it and nobody could prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. With Clemens, again, it was a shady character's word vs. his, so he felt like he at least had a little wiggle room (until the guy came up with a beer can full of dirty syringes). I guess you could maybe say Giambi was the most forthcoming, but even he didn't really admit to doing anything specific. With A Rod, though, they've got his name on a positive test result administered by MLB. That's the smoking gun if ever there was one. He's only admitting to something that everyone already knows is true. He didn't admit this last year, he admitted it today, after he'd been confronted with the information and had two days to work out a statement with his people.

 

What I really like is how he claims he did it because he felt a lot of pressure after signing with the Rangers. Think he's felt any pressure to perform in the last 5 years with the Yankees? Wonder how he dealt with it.

The guy could cure AIDS and cancer and you will still hate him. In political terms, by what he did today, he swayed the independent voters his way and riled up his base. People like you will always hate him. People like me, who like him a lot, feel a lot better about him today. The casual fan is also very happy that a superstar finally confessed and told a believable version of the truth, instead of denying it. Let me point out, he did not have to admit to the other 2 years, but he did. He admitted to a lot more than he needed to.

I don't know if I'd say he's completely fessed up. His makeup does look very pretty in the interview with Gammons, though.

Regardless if he is a saint or not with what he said. He said a lot more than any other superstar player i can think of.

You are probably right. HGH is still undetectable in the MLB drug test.

keep talking shit. We'll see if you're around when ortiz and manny have some evidence on them.

So it's a non-story, but now you're gonna analyze every detail of it?

The main story is how the Player's Union screwed this one up and every fan out there should prep themselves because there is a good chance their superstar has at least tried steroids.

This is all very bad for baseball as a whole.

How is it that when Bonds got caught, he was a cheater, but now that A Rod got caught, everybody's a cheater? I'm still going to judge these guys on an individual basis, thanks.

Because Bonds was so fucking obvious. He was in his late 30's doing things that nobody has ever done and still denying it.

Look at Arod's stats, they are so consistent. There is no jump. They always talk about how he works out three hours before every game. He's the first one in the gym.

Everything is tainted now. What do you really know? What records even matter? What is legit?

Besides, ultimately, as a Yankees fan, I don't give a shit about this. He did it while he was with the Rangers and it's not like we won anything with him anyway. If Jeter or Mo was juicing I would cry.

Am I shocked? No.

Am I sad? Yes.

No matter if you love or hate Arod, this is a catastrophic day for baseball. This just proves that every single one of these superstar power hitters was juicing. Arod was supposed to be the guy who was working out 3 hours a day, busting his ass the natural way and consistently hitting well over his career.

Now what? You have to seriously look at every guy who has any suspicion and say he's been juicing. Howard, Ortiz, Pujols, Fielder. They were all juicing. Any guy who came close to 50 homers was on roids in my opinion. Even guys who were in the 40's have to be questioned.

And now would be a good time for Arod to turn the corner on his reputation. It's time to start being honest and come clean. He needs to stop being fake and arrogant. It's time to come back to reality. You're caught -- apologize, admit to it, call it a mistake and move on.

I love how in his speech he basically talked about how he can still play and if any GM needs a left fielder who can steal some bases to give him a call. He also said, if he got signed, he could steal the most bases in the majors today (reyes stole 56) last year.

He also wants to play in the WBC.

Gotta love it, guy is giving a speech about being in the HOF and all he wants to do is still play.

Wonderful, I want him back too.

But we still have to get another WR no matter what because it's not up to any of us, even Reese, on whether or not he's coming back.

The prosecutors, the NYPD, a judge and a jury are going to have a lot bigger say in that. And even if they let him go, who is to say Roger Goodell hasn't had his way yet?

you guys ever see that flair guy out in the RF bleachers?

and honestly how have you never heard the Yankee baseball chant and you've sat in the RF bleachers?

However, I must say the roll call at the beginning is one of the coolest fan cheers in all of sports. I'll admit the "Jose Jose Jose Jose..." chant is kind of cool too.

We were 4-12 in 2003 and 6-10 in 2004. Who would have thought after those seasons we would be bitching after two years in which we won the Super Bowl and then were the number 1 seed the following year?! If you told me in 04 that within the next five years I would have seen a Giants Super Bowl followed by a 12-4 season, I would have creamed my pants.

As a 21-year-old fan who drove around 8 hours in two days and paid 150 dollars of money I don't really have to go watch my team lose to the Eagles, I am seriously offended by this thread.

It's quite simple, there are a lot of traditional STH's who are old. They don't get loud, hell, a lot fall asleep during the game. But I went to two Giants games this year, and both times were because a STH sold me their tickets. I got great seats for a decent value.

I went because I love my team. I had a good feeling they were going to lose, but I still went and cheered my ass off. I had a great time and a lot of those old guys who don't get loud or whatever are great people to talk to who know the game really well.

And honestly, there were 5000 Eagles fans there, which is NOT bad at all considering how close PA is to NJ.

YOU EVER BEEN TO A YANKEES - RED SOX GAME?! It's always 40% full with the road team.

I cant even believe I replied to this thread again, I can feel my IQ going down.

I was at the game, 5,000 Eagles fans at most. No way was there 10,000. Honest guess I would say there was 4,000.

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I really hate playing in weather like this against the Eagles. They seem to shine in it, while we seem to sputter...with a few exceptions. :brooding:

I hear ya. Although this might give us a slight advantage because we may feel more comfortable stacking the box knowing that it will be tough to throw the ball deep in this and they were going to stack the box anyway on us.

What about the fans like me in attendance? All I keep telling myself is I gotta still do it while I am young!

I'm fucking pumped baby! My friend just called me, got face value for two tickets in section 113.

This place better be rocking! Usually is but I want everyone to be going nuts!

LETS GO GIANTS!!!

Tampa Bay does it with more class.

That is if they do anything at all...

damn those are some big ass titties

YANKEE BASEBALL

METS SUCK

BOSTON SUCK

RIGHT FIELDER SUCKS

BOX SEATS SUCK

EVERYBODY SUCKS!!!

I'M PUMPED FOR THIS YEAR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr0IyQ7LSh8

Not to sure if you can bank on Penny or Smoltz right now as a guaranteed spot. I would still say Wakefield has a solidified spot given that he is consistent and probably a lock for at least 13 wins.

I said about a month ago that I would take a shot on Smoltz if I were the Yankee, but the Red Sox are giving him a little more money than I anticipated given his injury and age right now.

As for Baldelli. Gotta love the pride if Rhode Island going to the Red Sox. I hate the Red Sox, but I know a lot of people in our wonderful state Lorf will love it.

Here we go.... Randy Levine, president of the Yankees, on CNBC defending the amount of money they spent.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=988244563

he doesn't provide any good quotes though, so it's only natural the media will do all they can to keep hank in the spotlight

Yeah, Hal is a perfect owner. Stays in the back, doesn't say much, and does whatever he can to help the team win. Hank wont shut up or even show up. I understand why the media picks up his quotes, because of his position and what he says. But it's becoming more and more evident what he says just doesn't matter.

Kirwin mentioned it this morning, also Mortensen(god help us) hinted that as well. I dont have a link it was said on television and I just heard it through the grape vine. They believe Spags has been hiding plays to unleash on Sunday and probably the reason our defense has been lack luster this past month.

 

Thoughts?

You know they haven't seemed to blitz as much in the past few games. I am positive he did it last year in the final regular season game against the Patriots because they hardly blitzed at all. Dropped into coverage the whole fourth quarter.

It is quite possible.