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I don't give a shit there is no way you make this right.

I want Mcadoof fired tomorrow and Reese fired the day after. Apparently past Giants players are showing up at home next week on the sidelines wearing Eli's jersey.

I'm watching the first half that's it. Just to watch Geno get pummeled. The fucking Jets won for god's sake.

John Mara opens door to firing Ben McAdoo before season ends208 comments Co-owner says “no guarantees in life” by Ed Valentine@bigblueview Nov 30, 2017, 7:59am ES Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports Slightly more than two weeks ago, New York Giants’ owners John Mara and Steve Tisch issued a statement saying Ben McAdoo would remain head coach for the rest of the season. Wednesday, Mara walked that back a bit. “There’s no guarantees in life,” Mara said when asked if McAdoo’s job was guaranteed for the final five games. “(We) made (our) statement on that a couple of weeks ago, but there’s no guarantees in life.” Mara said the benching of Eli Manning did not mean McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese are coming back next season. “We obviously have some decisions to make in the offseason,” he said. “You always have decisions to make, yeah. I just saw three baseball managers get fired after making the playoffs. So, you always have those decisions to make.” Asked to assess the coach’s performance this season, Mara said: “We’re 2-9. We’re 2-9, okay? I’m embarrassed about that. Nobody’s doing a good job.”

Eli Manning benching angers former Giants teammates BY Andy Clayton NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Tuesday, November 28, 2017, 4:59 PM Tweet email The Giants' decision had Eli Manning near tears. The decision left his former teammates in shock. The stunning call to end Manning's consecutive start streak at 210 games and start Geno Smith on Sunday vs. the Raiders in Oakland was met with disbelief by several of Eli's former teammates. "I'm absolutely speechless," David Diehl, who won two Super Bowls alongside Manning, wrote on Twitter. "I've watched every game & have sat through this rough @Giants season & this what you do to a man who has lead this team for 210 straight games." Manning's streak to end, Geno Smith to start Sunday for Giants Manning's longtime center Shaun O'Hara (2004-2010) was also fired up by the news. "The ambrosia of emotions right now!! Didn't think the @Giants season could get any worse now THIS!!" He added three angry face emojis plus three fire emojis. "Eli deserves much better than that," Osi Umenyiora added of the two-time Super Bowl MVP. "Much better. Class person, class player. That’s absurd." Plenty of Big Blue alumni are questioning the way the Giants decided to bench Eli Manning. (Jared Wickerham/AP) Plaxico Burress, who caught the winning touchdown pass from Manning in Super Bowl XLII, also took to Twitter after the news broke."Damn! Bench Eli? Man showed up every week for 14 years." Big Blue legend Carl Banks was emotional about the news. "I am very emotional about this Eli S--T," Banks wrote. "The guy who gave you EVERYTHING for better or worse NEVER missing a game and THIS how it ends?? Not #10! He deserves better, He gave is all when BETTER wasn't there for him.. and this is how it ends?? I hurt for him ... "I will say it again... He deserves better, and yet he gave his all when Better wasn't available..REMEMBER THIS.. He Didn't QUIT on his TEAM a single damn Play!! let that sink in.. HE NEVER QUIT A SINGLE PLAY!!!" Phil Simms, who led the Giants to their first Super Bowl win following the 1986 season, made it sound like he thought Manning's career in New York might be over. Plaxico Burress, who caught the winning touchdown pass from Manning in Super Bowl XLII, also took to Twitter after the news broke. (Rob Kim/Getty Images) "Eli Manning can stand tall and proud and will for the rest of his life for all he has been to @Giants," Simms wrote. "Fans will never forget him #GiantsPride." David Carr, who spent two seasons as Manning's backup in 2008 and 2009, was not kind to the Giants brass in his tweet. "They've lost their collective minds," David Carr wrote as he re-tweeted the Giants' Tuesday afternoon announcement. It will be Carr's younger brother Derek who will be the opposing quarterback when the Giants line up Sunday without Eli Manning as their starter for the first time since 2004. Justin Tuck, who won two Super Bowls with Manning, called the move one of the "stupidest" he has ever seen. "I’m honestly at a lost for words. As a person that has seen Eli the QB but also Eli the Man, I’m truly pissed about what has taking place today. This decision is one of the STUPIDEST I’ve seen in my time being asap with pro sports #noloyalty #14years #bulls---," Tuck wrote. Brandon Jacobs, who was Manning's bruising running back, defended his former quarterback in a string of tweets. "Eli Manning you’re always gonna be my QB. 2X Super Bowl MVP you can’t make that s--- up bro," Jacobs wrote, before following up a few hours later. "Are you f---ing kidding me? Show me a guy with more heart and guts than Eli and I’ll call you a long tongue liar."

Moving on from Eli: Here are the ramifications of the Giants trading or releasing Eli Manning BY Pat Leonard NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 7:00 AM Tweet email X ELI’S FUTURE Eli Manning has two years remaining on his current four-year contract extension. He is due to cost the Giants team-high cap hits of $22.2 million in 2018 and $23.2 million in 2019, figures that foreshadowed a likely shift away from Manning, 36, even before Tuesday’s benching. But now that the end officially feels near, what are the Giants’ and Manning’s options and what would be the financial ramifications? All figures are courtesy of OverTheCap.com. RELEASING MANNING The Giants are finished paying Manning the $36 million guaranteed on this contract after this season. Since none of the remaining $22 million in salary is guaranteed, the Giants wouldn’t be on the hook for any more cash if they cut Manning. They would be docked $12.4 million in “dead money” against their 2018 cap and $6.2 million in 2019 for cutting Manning prior to the end of his deal, but those are manageable numbers. Eli Manning’s time with the Giants is likely over after this season. (Ezra Shaw/Getty Images) Remember: Manning’s final two years each carry a $5 million roster bonus, and that bonus is due on the fifth day of the 2018 league year in March, per NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo. So the Giants will have to make a decision on Manning’s future no matter what before then. TRADING MANNING The market for Manning’s services is tough to gauge at the moment. NFL teams can see the Giants are moving on and will anticipate that a scorned Manning will want to play elsewhere, too, so that would take a lot of leverage out of the Giants’ hands. Then again, if the Jaguars, Broncos and Cardinals are among several suitors banging down Manning’s door, then aggressively approaching the Giants with a trade would be a GM’s way of preempting Manning’s release and courting clubs on his terms alone. Will Eli Manning follow in his brother Peyton’s footsteps and head to Denver? (Justin Edmonds/Getty Images) Manning hasn’t played well this season but several teams feel they are a quarterback away, and Manning won’t want to end his career this way. So a trade isn’t impossible, even if Manning’s contract no doubt would be restructured in some way to soften the blow on his new team’s cap.

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Giants need to fire Ben McAdoo right now after embarrassing 31-21 loss to 49ers Pat Leonard NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Monday, November 13, 2017, 1:03 AM SANTA CLARA, Calif. — Ben McAdoo’s job security is fake news. The Giants leaked last Thursday that they wouldn’t make in-season changes to their coaching or management staffs to quell the chaos created by anonymous players claiming McAdoo had lost the team and players were giving up. But Sunday’s 31-21 loss to the previously winless San Francisco 49ers at Levi’s Stadium changes that. It has to. The Niners (1-9), behind rookie coach Kyle Shanahan and rookie QB C.J. Beathard, dismantled the dysfunctional Giants (1-8), easily driving the ball down field on Steve Spagnuolo’s sieve-like defense and converting third downs (8-of-12) like they were breathing oxygen. McAdoo on Friday called the player rips of his leadership “fake news” and, well, he was dead wrong. “Everybody’s gotta do their jobs better or we’ll be looking for new jobs,” right tackle Justin Pugh said. “I mean, you lose to an 0-9 team. We’re 1-8, so I guess you could say we’re on the same level. But we’re different. They’re rebuilding. We’re a different team. We should have won today. So we need to take a hard look in the mirror and figure it out because in this business, games like this, seasons like this do not help your job security.” The anonymous players are still talking, too. Hours after the game ESPN’s Josina Anderson reported that a Giants source texted her, “Tried to warn you” of Sunday’s listless performance. The Giants flew home immediately after the defeat and were due to land in the early hours of Monday morning. San Fran hadn’t led any of its previous nine games by more than three points at any time and beat the Giants by 10 (and it was an 18-point win really, at 31-13, until a meaningless late Giant TD). The Giants have lost the last two games, including a 51-17 home loss to the Rams, by a combined score of 82-38. Compared to the Rams horror show, when MetLife Stadium emptied for a second straight loss, Levi’s Stadium on Sunday actually had some blue jerseys still in their seats in the fourth quarter — but probably only because they had nowhere else to go, across the country from the comfort of their homes. McAdoo predictably got his back up when asked about his job “situation.” “What situation,” the coach bristled. “We have to go correct the tape, all right, and get ready for our next ballgame. We have a chance to play probably one of the best teams in football next week (in the Kansas City Chiefs). There’s no situation.” Giants need to fire Ben McAdoo now, rather than wait until the end of the season. (Bill Kostroun/AP) Wrong. There is a situation. The situation is that there is no hope of the Giants beating the Chiefs or winning any other game after losing to the previously 0-9 Niners. That’s the situation. GM Jerry Reese then meekly declined comment as he walked out of the locker room. As always, he left it to his players to explain the mess he has assembled. He should be fired and McAdoo should be, too. “We’re not a good team right now, and hopefully we can go ahead and turn it around to be competitive and compete,” linebacker Jonathan Casillas said. “It’s sad that I’m sitting here talking about us competing in games instead of talking about winning, but that’s the truth. We’ve got to be able to compete, hang around til the end and pull out a victory at the end. It ain’t no domination on the Giants’ side. That ain’t gonna happen.” Spagnuolo, accused of “panicking” in games by the same players who claimed McAdoo “has lost this team,” could be canned before McAdoo as the in-season fall guy if ownership feels the defensive coordinator’s calls and his defense’s second straight game of insufficient effort warrant nothing less. Top corner Janoris Jenkins was the picture of quit on the defense. He was as invisible playing on Sunday as he’d been in Week 9 when he was suspended for skipping a practice. Jenkins made several unacceptable non-tackle attempts, including on Niners TE Garrett Celek’s 47-yard TD catch that put the Niners back on top, 17-13, at half. In fact, of McAdoo isn’t fired, one reason might be because Spagnuolo at this point can’t be considered a suitable replacement after his defense also gave up 83-, 47- and 33-yard touchdowns. Still, McAdoo’s record in two seasons against rookie head coaches fell to 2-4, including 1-3 this season, beating Denver’s Vance Joseph in Week 6 but losing to the Chargers’ Anthony Lynn, the Rams’ Sean McVay and the Niners’ Shanahan by a combined score of 109-60. “Tough ballgame for me to take,” McAdoo said. “They outplayed us today, they out-coached me today.” Why did McAdoo say he was outcoached? “Look at the scoreboard,” McAdoo said. No thanks, say Giants fans. The Daily News ran a 20-minute Twitter poll when the Giants trailed the Niners 31-13 in the fourth quarter to see if Giant fans were still watching the game. Fifty-eight percent of the 605 fans polled said they had turned the game off. Wonder if John Mara and Steve Tisch voted from ghost Twitter accounts? Consider this: Niners rookie QB C.J. Beathard entered the game with a 50.9 career completion percentage, two TDs, four INTs and 62.7 career QB rating in four games played. Against the Giants, Beathard completed 19-of-25 passes (76%) for 288 yards, two TDs, an interception on an excellent play by Olivier Vernon and a 123.4 QB rating. “Yeah. It’s embarrassing,” Vernon said of getting shredded by a rookie QB. Eli Manning, after listening to McAdoo talk all week about not turning the ball over, promptly shoveled the ball out while falling down on a red zone sack for a fumble. Kicker Aldrick Rosas kicked the opening kickoff out of bounds and kept missing field goals. Jenkins didn’t try and Niners offensive players looked like they were running wind sprints against air. Safety Landon Collins, who played sick, didn’t appreciate a San Francisco reporter saying Beathard “had his way” with the Giant defense. “He had his way?! Is that what you’re saying?” Collins said. “He didn’t do nothing spectacular. He played the offense. He played the offense. Nah, he wasn’t a great quarterback.” But the truth is the Giants are a laughingstock, their defense especially. “It seemed like two teams went out there with their backs against the wall, one team came out swinging harder than the other,” Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie said. McAdoo continued to refuse to say he was embarrassed. “I’m not embarrassed by this team,” he said. That’s OK. Come Monday morning, it might not be his team.

Why so we can have a worse draft?

John Mara has no choice but to fire Jerry Reese, Ben McAdoo at end of season Gary Myers NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Monday, November 6, 2017, 1:58 AM John Mara’s unobstructed view from his box on the sixth floor of MetLife Stadium of the Giants being humiliated gave him a clear look at exactly what he and Steve Tisch must do at the end of the season. Fire GM Jerry Reese. Fire coach Ben McAdoo. Reese has run out of chances. McAdoo has lost the team and too many games. It’s time for a reboot and then let the new general manager and coach decide if they want to squeeze one transition year out of Eli Manning, who looked like a washed-up and broken down quarterback in the Giants’ 51-17 loss to the Rams, which unfortunately is how Manning has looked most of this season. Even with the Giants imploding week-by-week, McAdoo is either delusional or in a state or denial, because when I asked him if he was worried about his job, he said, “Not at all.” John Mara saw just how empty Metlife Stadium was on Sunday. (BRENDAN MCDERMID/REUTERS) Mara is very much his father Wellington’s son, although John’s temper is legendary compared to his father’s calm demeanor. During lean years, Wellington used to say he could deal with the fans booing because that showed they still cared, but it’s when they didn’t show up for games that he needed to take action. Giants Nation sent a clear message to John Mara on Sunday: They are so disgusted they have lost interest. The Coaches Club seats, on the lower level directly behind the Giants bench, were maybe 30% filled. The mezzanine level from goal line to goal line on the Giants side of the field was virtually empty with fans scattered in small pockets. Those are the two most expensive areas of the stadium with the largest PSLs. Mara’s box is on the visitors’ side of the stadium down the hall from the press box. Of course, he saw the empty seats. They were right across from him. This season has blindsided the Giants. They are 1-7, their worst start since 1980, when they were a bad team trying to get better in the second year of GM George Young’s regime. This year’s Giants began the season with Super Bowl aspirations but now could finish 1-15. The depressing part is it’s only half over. Mara was seen departing his box with seven minutes remaining. Even he couldn’t watch. He was asked by nj.com if he had anything to say about the Giants performance. “No,” he said. “I think it speaks for itself, doesn’t it?” Ben McAdoo has lost the team and too many games. (Al Bello/Getty Images) He then went down to the locker room but was gone before the media was allowed to enter. After the Giants finished as an 11-5 wild-card in McAdoo’s first season, the last thing Mara ever thought he was going to have to do was fire Reese and McAdoo. Now he has little choice. Reese spent $200 million in free agency last year to cover up his draft mistakes and fix perhaps the all-time worst Giants defense, but then decided to come back with the same offensive line starters this year that got Manning beat up in 2016. That was a fireable offense right there. When I saw Reese in the locker room after the game, I attempted to get his impression of the debacle. “You know I don’t talk after games,” he said. “Win, lose or draw.” Of course he doesn’t talk. Why should he be held accountable for the mess he put together? He has somehow worked his way into talking just once during season. His predecessors, Young and Ernie Accorsi, were available and accountable every day. Reese feels he’s above it all. In Reese’s first season as GM in 2007, he had a strong draft that supplemented the team Accorsi built and turned it into a surprising Super Bowl champion. The Giants won again under his watch in 2011. Those two Super Bowl trophies have protected Reese better than the offensive line he assembled the last few years has protected Manning. But just as the two titles didn’t prevent Tom Coughlin from getting fired after the 2015 season, the expiration date is up for Reese, too. I don’t believe Mara and Tisch will fire McAdoo during the season. Are they going to give the job to defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, whose unit just gave up 51 points and allowed a 52-yard wide receiver screen TD on a third-and-33? Or to offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan, who recently took over the play-calling for an offense that has no firepower without Odell Beckham? Jerry Reese has run out of chances. (Seth Wenig/AP) The last time the Giants changed coaches in the middle of the season was 1976, when John McVay took over for Bill Arnsparger. McVay’s grandson, Sean, is now the coach of the Rams. McAdoo got off to a strong start last year and looked like he could stick around for awhile, but now has been exposed. He is overmatched. The Giants quit on McAdoo on Sunday sometime between the coin toss and the national anthem. The worst indictment of a coach losing the locker room is when a team stops playing. He’s already had to suspend DRC and Jackrabbit Jenkins. The defense was so bad that the Rams’ first eight scoring drives took just 3:35 or less off the clock. It’s the most points the Giants have given up at home since the Browns scored 52 at Yankee Stadium in the final game of the 1964 season when Big Blue was 2-10-2, the first of 17 straight years out of the playoffs. Although the Rams are one of the best young teams, it’s still a team that was 4-12 last year and hasn’t had a winning season since 2003. It wasn’t long before the fans starting booing Sunday, which they’ve been doing almost nonstop since the first home game the second week against Detroit. It’s the first time since 1980 the Giants have started 0-4 at home. They finished 4-12, which means to even be that bad the Giants need to be 3-5 in the second half. The empty seats said Giants Nation doesn’t think that’s possible and doesn’t care. Maybe McAdoo didn’t see all the patches of gray. They were behind him and it was probably better he didn’t turn around and face the fans. One group even started chanting, “We Want Coughlin.” “I’m focused on the team,” McAdoo said. “Focused on the players. Trying to put them in a position to be successful. I’m not focused on the stands.” One man in the stadium on the sixth floor surely noticed and his vote counts.

Awful and all in under 3 minutes!

CB Janoris Jenkins suspended indefinitely Posted 14 minutes ago Michael Eisen Senior Writer/Editor @GiantsEisen Read Eisen's Mailbag Cornerback Janoris Jenkins has been suspended indefinitely. EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Cornerback Janoris Jenkins has been suspended indefinitely for violation of team rules, the Giants announced today. The suspension takes effect immediately, meaning Jenkins will miss Sunday’s home game against the Los Angeles Rams. “As a member of this team, there are standards and we have responsibilities and obligations,” said coach Ben McAdoo. “When we don’t fulfill those obligations, there are consequences. As I have said before, we do not like to handle our team discipline publicly. There are times when it is unavoidable, and this is one of those times.” The Giants returned to the Quest Diagnostics Training Center on Monday following their bye week. Jenkins was not in attendance on Monday. At the time, McAdoo said he had been excused for personal reasons. “At that point, neither myself nor any of the coaches had heard from Jackrabbit,” McAdoo said. “I did not speak with him directly until Tuesday morning.” Jenkins was informed of the suspension on Tuesday. McAdoo said that he will review the status of the suspension at the beginning of next week.

MOTHERFUCKER!!

What did Coughlin do?

Ben McAdoo and Giants look totally dysfunctional after Odell Beckham says opponents know their plays Pat Leonard NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Thursday, October 5, 2017, 2:11 AM So last week Odell Beckham Jr. protected the details of his “private discussion” with Giants co-owner John Mara when the topic was Beckham pretending to pee like a dog in public. But on Wednesday, Beckham decided it was OK to share that after Sunday’s loss in Tampa, Buccaneers DB Vernon Hargreaves told him that “we know a lot of what (the Giants) are doing” on offense. No surprise it was in answer to a question about Beckham’s five drops in three games. Way to throw Ben McAdoo under the bus. And yet Beckham isn’t the only story here; such a level of predictability to McAdoo’s offense is alarming, even if it’s not new. In Week 5 last season Victor Cruz said the Giants couldn’t beat a simple Cover-2 defensive scheme; they almost exclusively ran a three-wide receiver set. In Week 1 this season Sterling Shepard said the Cowboys had played a lot more zone than what the Giants had expected in a 19-3 season-opening loss. The offense is McAdoo’s baby, in his fourth year at the reins including two years as offensive coordinator, and if opposing players are saying they know what the Giants are doing, that is a terrible indictment of the coach. It is also a bad reflection on McAdoo’s grasp on the team when Beckham is stepping out on Wednesday relaying a personal conversation he had with McAdoo in which he said opposing defensive backs told him “we know you’re running a certain route.” Beckham had a lot of excuses for dropping passes, of course. He pointed to the predictability of his routes, which led to Beckham “putting extra onto a route to try and create more space.” He blamed his “soaking wet” gloves for one drop in Tampa, and he even fingered McAdoo’s hurry-up offense for not being able to change out of the gloves for that play. McAdoo’s hurry-up does lend itself to increased predictability even from the original scheme that defenses appear to have pegged, as evidenced by Eli Manning’s second interception in Philadelphia in Week 3. Ben McAdoo and Odell Beckham better figure out how to get on the same page and get offense in gear. (Al Bello/Getty Images) It was a bad throw that Manning shouldn’t have made, with one Giants receiver to five Eagles defenders in the vicinity. But when Manning is limited to making only quick, short throws — often to receivers running slant routes — the opposing defense catches on. And you could see the Eagles jumping those routes leading up to linebacker Mychal Kendrick’s deflection of a pass intended for Beckham, into the arms of DB Patrick Robinson. “You know I’m running a slant. Beat me on a slant. Do it. I don’t see you doing it. That’s just what it has to be. That’s the mentality you have to have,” Beckham said. Beckham isn’t wrong; it’s just a horrible look for him to selectively speak out this way. Now in McAdoo’s defense, the Giants’ offense has improved to score 47 points in the last five quarters after scoring 13 total in the season’s first 11. There is also a major reason that the coach had to move to a hurry-up offense starting Week 3 in Philly: GM Jerry Reese left him with an offensive line that still can’t run or pass block effectively. McAdoo can’t let Manning drop back normally all game because his line can’t give him the time to throw consistently. And that is one of many factors that proves Mara must hold Reese accountable, with the Giants inevitably missing the playoffs for the fifth time in six seasons this winter. This all seems to be snowballing into a team-wide avalanche of issues for McAdoo, though, and it’s not clear if he’s up to preventing this season from getting out of control (if Beckham’s revelations don’t indicate it already has). McAdoo’s offense hasn’t scored in a first quarter yet and is averaging 59.3 yards rushing per game. His defense has surrendered four fourth-quarter leads the last two games and on top of that let Philly drive with the game tied for a winning drive. Ben McAdoo offense is way too easy for opposing defenses to figure out. (Al Bello/Getty Images) Special teams are killing them, with two costly Brad Wing punts the past two fourth quarters, a huge early coverage gaffe by Roger Lewis and a missed Aldrick Rosas field goal in Tampa. Not to mention McAdoo has made some questionable calls to go for it on first-half fourth downs instead of kicking field goals and taking the points when the Giants desperately need more points, especially early. And throw in there Beckham’s Wednesday comment on the state of the team, when he admitted they were pressing in Weeks 3 and 4 in Philly and Tampa, affected by the public panic over their 0-2 start. “When the story gets written that you’re 0-3 and it’s like, ‘Oh, what are we doing,’ and you hear a lot from the outside world, that’s where a lot of press(ing) comes from,” Beckham said. “And no matter what you want to do, you hear it, you feel it. So I feel like it may have gotten to us the last two games, but it’s got to come to an end.” McAdoo then made an alarming comment Wednesday when asked how he and his coaching staff must approach re-educating the team on the fundamentals they haven’t mastered. “You don’t want to go back to a training camp mode, but you want to get pretty close,” he said. Training camp? Coaches never use those two words in season. But when your season feels like it’s over after four weeks, things change.

Brandon Marshall hasn’t looked capable, still not in sync with Eli Manning during Giants’ loss BY Pat Leonard John Healy NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, October 2, 2017, 5:07 PM Giants wide receiver Brandon Marshall loses the football after getting hit by Buccaneers cornerback Brent Grimes and safety Justin Evans. (Phelan Ebenhack/AP) Brandon Marshall was at a loss for words after two more dropped passes Sunday in the Giants’ fall to 0-4. “Just not playing well right now,” Marshall said after the 25-23 defeat in Tampa Bay. “I haven’t played a solid game since I’ve been here.” Ben McAdoo was restless not just with Marshall but with Odell Beckham’s two drops, too. “Good question,” the coach said of all the dropped passes. “They catch the ball for a living. We need to do a better job of catching the ball.” Marshall was hailed as a major acquisition by GM Jerry Reese this spring, but he hasn’t looked confident or capable through four weeks, not to mention he and Eli Manning remain far from in sync. “He seems to be double-catching a little bit,” McAdoo said in Monday’s conference call. “We just need to get through a clean game with him. He’s been catching it well in practice. We just need to carry it over in the games.” Marshall dropped passes on third down in the first quarter and on second down in the fourth quarter, killing two drives, and on an early jump ball that Manning threw to Marshall’s front shoulder off-target, Marshall was unable to wrest the ball away as the Bucs’ Vernon Hargreaves knocked it incomplete. Marshall did make a big 10-yard catch to set up Wayne Gallman’s first career touchdown in the third quarter. But it even looked like his timing was off in the first quarter, when Marshall hopped out of his sprint as he ran a short pattern underneath Odell Beckham on an early 4th down incompletion. Manning was hit and the throw was short, but it was another strange example of Marshall’s forgettable start as a Giant. “I think it’s a new offense, he’s doing a lot of learning, he’s still doing a lot of learning, playing with a different quarterback,” McAdoo said. “Ya know, he hasn’t caught the ball cleanly in games.” WHERE WAS THE RUSH? When the Giants’ pass rush didn’t disrupt Jameis Winston enough early, defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo began bringing consistent blitzes and the Bucs’ offense had trouble adjusting. The Giants D held them scoreless in the third quarter and also on Tampa’s first fourth quarter drive. But inexplicably on the Bucs’ game-winning drive, the Giants defense brought no more than a four-man rush on the first three plays — save for a late linebacker coming ineffectively on the third snap — and Winston was able to gain 27 yards through completions to Adam Humphries and Mike Evans and a QB scramble. “We had some success (blitzing); he made some plays on some other ones,” McAdoo said. “That (those late coverages) is what we felt the situation dictated for us to be successful. Give him credit, he extended a play and made a nice play down on the third-and-short to get it to a chip shot for them.” LOOSE ON TIGHT ENDS The Giants have surrendered an astounding 27 catches for 302 yards and five touchdowns to opposing tight ends in their four losses, including at least one tight end TD in each defeat. And the Buccaneers’ tight end duo did the worst damage yet. Cameron Brate and rookie O.J. Howard combined to make three of the biggest Bucs’ plays in the game to down the Giants, combining for six catches for 143 yards and two TDs. Howard was all alone on an early 58-yard TD catch, with middle linebacker B.J. Goodson the closest defender to him until he sprinted to space. And Brate beat linebacker Jonathan Casillas for a 14-yard TD catch, while also beating strong safety Landon Collins in single coverage for the 26-yard reception that stuck a dagger in the Giants to set up Nick Folk’s game-winning field goal. A silver lining is that, while the Bucs drafted Howard 19th overall this spring, the Giants’ 23rd overall pick Evan Engram did make a couple difficult catches on Sunday and finished with six catches for 62 yards and a drop, though that did come on 11 targets. CHALLENGE CHALLENGED Ben McAdoo’s record tossing the red flag took another hit on Sunday. The Giants coach challenged an incomplete pass to Mike Evans in the fourth quarter, claiming that the Bucs receiver caught and fumbled the ball after a Janoris Jenkins hit from behind. The play was upheld and it cost the Giants a timeout. The defense made a fourth down stop so the Bucs didn’t score on the possession. Still, McAdoo is now just 1-for-4 as a head coach at challenging plays. “I saw a catch and I saw a football move,” McAdoo said. “Fourth quarter. Big play. Thought it was worth the risk.” THE INJURY REPORT McAdoo said center Weston Richburg (concussion) is in the protocol, running back Paul Perkins has a rib “contusion,” and Beckham is “sore” and “fighting through a bunch of things.” Olivier Vernon, of course, also has aggravated his Week 3 ankle injury.

The Giants’ season is a sinking ship and for some reason Ben McAdoo isn’t surprised Gary Myers NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Sunday, October 1, 2017, 10:40 PM Tweet email TAMPA – Ben McAdoo is not shocked the Giants are 0-4. No kidding. He’s not even surprised. Huh? I guarantee John Mara is shocked and Steve Tisch is surprised. They own a business recently valued by Forbes at $3.3 billion. These losses ultimately cost a lot of money. So, McAdoo has a team that won 11 games last year and was considered a legitimate Super Bowl contender this year, but after losing its second straight game on a field goal on the final play to join the lowly Browns, 49ers and Chargers as the only teams to get through the first quarter of the season without a victory, he refused to admit he’s been caught off guard. “I’m not surprised. I’m not shocked,” McAdoo said after ex-Jet Nick Folk’s 34-yard field goal gave the Bucs a 25-23 victory. “You can’t carry things over from one year to the next. We talked about that in the offseason.” He talks about putting the fifth Super Bowl trophy in the case, but being far and away the No. 1 flop of the first month of the NFL season only has him “disappointed, irritated.” After raising expectations, he’s quickly trying to rationalize not reaching them. Shouldn’t he be surprised and shocked at what’s happened? If he’s not, it’s inexcusable. But he would not give in despite two or three opportunities to explain himself. Ben McAdoo and Eli Manning look on during the fourth quarter of the Giants’ loss “I’m irritated that we’re 0-4,” he said. “But we need to get to work. That’s how you fix it.” It’s too late for that. At 1-3, the Giants could have bounced back. At 0-4, we’re now asking the question: Suck For Sam? Since the 1970 merger, only the 1992 Chargers have opened 0-4 and made it to the postseason. “I would’ve never thought we would go 0-4, but it is what it is,” Odell Beckham said. “That’s what our record is. We can’t sit here and cry about it. You just have to keep trying to get better each and every day, get the first win and see what happens from there.” McAdoo didn’t quite go into the classic Jim Mora “playoffs?” speech when he was asked after the game about the Giants’ chances, but he did bark, “We need to win a damn game.” The lack of discipline, sloppy play and questionable game management decisions — that’s all on McAdoo. That has contributed to the losing as much as the offense that scored only 13 points through the first 165 minutes of the season — three games plus three quarters. The shutdown defense of 2016 hasn’t shown up this year. It twice failed to hold fourth-quarter leads last week in Philly and then couldn’t come up with a stop before the Eagles rookie kicker hit a miracle 61-yard field goal at the buzzer to avoid overtime and the defense couldn’t hold onto a lead after Eli Manning put the Giants ahead with 3:16 left on Sunday with a 2-yard TD pass to tight end Rhett Ellison to give the Giants a 23-22 lead. Of course, McAdoo went for two. Manning found Beckham along the back of the end zone for what was originally ruled a completion. Progress: Beckham did not get down on all fours and lift up his right leg and make believe he was peeing like a dog. Odell Beckham Jr. reacts with a towel over his head during the fourth quarter. Hey, baby steps. But not only was D.J. Fluker holding on the play, but Beckham went out of the back of the end zone and came back in, making it an illegal touch. Two points off the board that would have protected against a game-winning field goal. Jameis Winston, on his way to being a superstar, moved the Bucs from their 25 to a third-and-1 at the Giants 39 with 1:30 left. He then found tight end Cameron Brate behind Landon Collins to get the Bucs to the 13. Winston then took two knees to set up Folk’s winner that just snuck inside the left upright. Even if Folk, who earlier had missed an extra point and two field goals, had missed this one, he would have received a second chance because Collins was offside. Can you imagine the Giants celebrating their first victory if Folk’s kick hit the upright or went just wide left — there was a pretty famous kick against the Giants in a Super Bowl at the old stadium in Tampa a long time ago that went wide right — only to see the yellow flag on the ground? Collins would have had to walk home. The anatomy of a season gone wrong: Dallas: No sense of urgency. Detroit: 88-yard punt return. Philly: Peeing in the end zone. Eli Manning reacts after the Giants’ latest loss. Tampa: Another loss on the final play. “You just keep fighting for a win,” Manning said. “That’s all you do every week. The record doesn’t matter. You want that feeling. You want that feeling after the game. We need it. We want it. But nothing is going to be given to us. We got to go out there and get wins. We got to go out there and play good football. It is tough to lose two games in a row on field goals — on walk-off field goals.” Not even the presence of Lawrence Taylor, the greatest Giant of all time, on the field during pregame warmups could inspire and motivate Big Blue. He gave Beckham a hug and then went upstairs and sat in a box with Warren Sapp. This truly might be the most disappointing and underachieving Giants team of all time. For some reason, when nothing was expected of them, they won the Super Bowl in 2007 and 2011. When there are great expectations, it has led to their greatest failures. None greater than this year. “Yeah, I mean it is surprising,” Manning said. Not according to his coach with the diner menu of plays, who keeps ordering the wrong meal.

I thought I hated Joe Buck and Troy Aikman oh I really hate the Barbers

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The Giants’ season is over before it even began after latest devastating loss drops them to 0-3 Pat Leonard NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Sunday, September 24, 2017, 9:10 PM PHILADELPHIA - The Giants were breathless and couldn’t have felt smaller on Sunday after watching their 2017 season sail over Odell Beckham Jr.’s head on rookie Eagles kicker Jake Elliott’s 61-yard field goal as time expired in a 27-24 shocker. That’s right. The Giants’ season is over. They fell to 0-3, and only five teams since the 1970 AFL/NFL merger have started 0-3 and made the playoffs, per Elias Sports Bureau. “It’s stunning,” corner Janoris Jenkins said after the last-second kick. But it’s not just history. It’s that this Giants defense is not as advertised. It won’t be enough to bail out an offense that, while exciting in Sunday’s fourth quarter, still struggles at many basic tasks. If you want proof, look at All-Pro Damon Harrison’s refusal to talk after his run defense gave up an astounding 193 rushing yards to the Eagles. Or listen to defensive captain Jonathan Casillas. “Defensively, we didn’t stop them,” the veteran linebacker said. “They were trying to run the ball and that’s exactly what they did. Defensively I think we were poor today, really poor. 0-2 is a little bit of a rough start. 0-3 is not where anybody wants to be. So we’ve got to get back to the drawing board.” Wendell Smallwood (12 carries, 71 yards) and LeGarrette Blount (12 carries, 67 yards, TD) on many occasions stuffed the ball down the Giants’ throats. It was alarming to watch. Olivier Vernon’s absence in the late fourth quarter due to a right ankle injury was a factor, especially on Corey Clement’s 15-yard TD scamper with 5:40 to play, directly past the right end position vacated by Vernon. Eli Manning and Ben McAdoo stand on the sidelines during the Giants’ 27-24 loss to the Eagles. (Elsa/Getty Images) But consider: after a late eruption from Eli Manning’s offense, in just over seven minutes the Giants’ defense surrendered two leads (at 21-14 and 24-21) and also gave up the game-winning drive with the game tied. “All I know is we had a lead, and the game was tied, and we didn’t keep it,” said Jenkins, one of two victims on Alshon Jeffery’s 19-yard catch to set up Elliott’s field goal. “That’s all I know.” Vernon, who said X-rays were negative on his ankle, insisted the Giants are sticking together despite the 0-3 record and bleak record. “Nobody’s dividing anything right now or at all, that’s not ever gonna happen,” Vernon said. “Everybody sticks up for everybody in this locker room, on this football team.” But really they’re just drowning in a mutual — and familiar — misery. In Week 15 of the 2010 season, Matt Dodge punted the ball to DeSean Jackson at MetLife Stadium, only to watch the Eagles speedster stick a dagger in Big Blue’s hearts. And on Sunday, the Birds delivered the same type of killer last-minute defeat. Just like in 2010, too, the Giants helped with plenty mistakes of their own. Nothing was more costly than punter Brad Wing’s 28-yard shank that gave Carson Wentz and the Eagles the ball at their 38-yard line with 13 seconds left, prior to Jeffery’s catch that set up Elliott’s big boot. There were also late penalties from John Jerry and Ereck Flowers that cost the Giants field position and points. “It was just a normal punt and I just didn’t do my job,” Wing said. “They called it to the left, so it’s supposed to be around the left numbers and I didn’t get it done. It sucks but on the other side of it we’re a pretty good team if I get my s---- together." Jake Elliott is picked up by teammates after his game-winning made field goal. (Elsa/Getty Images) What made it more crushing was that Manning had directed three consecutive fourth-quarter touchdown drives, including two TD passes to Odell Beckham Jr. and a 77-yarder to Sterling Shepard, to take a 21-14 lead with 7:12 to play. It was a remarkable offensive turnaround from Manning’s two earlier interceptions and from a scoreless first half that ended with an Eagles goal line stand. Ben McAdoo did not make the drastic offensive changes promised, either. He continued calling plays and simply switched to a no-huddle with quicker drops to compensate for his poor offensive line. Suddenly in the second half, though, it clicked. Brandon Marshall (eight catches, 66 yards) snapped out of his early-season funk and carried the Giants’ first scoring drive. And while the Giants still couldn’t run the ball (49 net rushing yards), they ended their eight-game streak of scoring fewer than 20 points. When safety Landon Collins forced a Zach Ertz fumble to set up Beckham’s second TD on a short field, it felt like the game had turned. Jenkins made some key third-down stops, too. But corner Eli Apple was victimized on two pass interference calls — one of them suspect — that led directly to Eagles scores. He and Jenkins collided on Wentz’s dart to Jeffery to set up the big kick. And there were missed tackles all day, from linebacker Devon Kennard to safety Darian Thompson. “We’re all right,” Marshall said. “We’re all right.” But it felt like what Marshall wanted to believe, not what he knew to be true: it’s over.