donovan4prez

it seems like everytime i turn around, there's a new mod. admins, mods 1-5, section mods, regular mods like telf and jral.......how many do we really need??

it's getting harder and harder to keep up with this stuff....who can you insult and who can't you insult?

i generally hate all of you equally, but i try not to piss of mods too much.

this thread belongs in the other section

we talk about important stuff like poo, sex, drugs, and poo.

How long has D4P been in the NFL?

I voted for Roy "horse-collar" Williams

pretty long time.....he's the leading vote-getter

Sorry, Archie wasn't a bad quarterback. 2-time pro-bowler on a below-.500 team speaks for itself. That normally doesn't happen for a quarterback for a losing team.

 

He was in the top 10 of the league multiple seasons in every stat there is a record (I hope I'm clear that I don't mean top ten in every stat for a given season). By the time he got to Houston and Minnesota, he had already gotten the snot knocked out of him for 10 years at NO. At the time he was jumping back and forth to Houston and Minnesota, those teams weren't exactly powerhouses, either.

 

Look for yourself

 

I'm not really not an Archie Manning fan, just like to see respect given when it is due.

guess what??? most 1st rounders go to bad teams....that's why we have the draft. but, if that's your argument, what about players like barry sanders???? he was surrounded by mediocrity (on both sides of the ball no less) his entire career and still managed to AT LEAST MAKE THE PLAYOFFS as well as multiple probowls and the HOF.

face it, archie was overrated.....the man threw 125 TDs and 173 INTs...nuff said

You gotta point. Although, no matter how you slice it, having a good team around you is key, but Archie never made it to a post game, and it was a good portion of his own fault. Peyton has though, and some of that learning had to come from Archie. Peyton learned from Archie, Eli is learnin from Peyton. Its a gradual process, which I believe will work great for Eli.

so who taught cooper???

If you're blaming that on Archie, you don't know shit about football.

Like Fish said, I think you're missing the key words in Eli's quote:

McNabb has been

lemme guess what you're going to say, "archie has played on bad teams....it's not his fault, he was a great player." truth be told, he's one of the most overrated players ever. true he did play with the new orleans aints, but he also played with two different franchises and couldn't do anything with them either. you damn right i'm blaming it on him.......15 years and 3 different teams, yet he's NEVER played in a post-season game????? tell me then, if it's not his fault, then whose is it? he was simply never a leader

by the way he drinks, and picks up hot chicks (see pic below) i'd say kerry collins

From the mouth of babes is right. My son would throw up when I burped him sometimes. Apparently, playing in a NFL game equates to burping for McNabb. Face it. No one on earth has an animated gif of Eli not scoring points in his first Playoff game. McNabb puking on the otherhand well......there are several of those floating around.

you're absolutely right......but they do have these pics of prince manning floating around

Exactly. You gotta crawl B4 you can walk.

 

Its funny to me how Eagle fans use that playoff game as trash talk. Like it was something unexpected. A young QB in his first playoff appearance with half his team injured, what did you think would happen? And, you gotta remember, Its better to go and lose, then to not go at all.

waaaaa.......it was his first playoff game.........waaaaaaa..........give him some time........waaaaaaaaaa

let's see how other active notable qbs did during their first playoff stint

tom brady-won 16 - 13 vs. oakland raiders

mcnabb-won 21 - 3 vs. tampa bay buccaneers

roethlisberger-won 20 - 17 vs. jets

kurt "I should have been the starter" warner-won 49 - 37 vs. minnesota vikings

mcnair-won 22 - 16 vs. buffalo bills

favre-won 28 - 24 at detroit lions

kerry "i should have been the starter" collins won 26 - 17 vs. dallas cowboys

culpepper-won 34 - 16 vs. new orleans saints

wait a minute.......

archie manning-played in the NFL for 15 seasons and NEVER LED HIS TEAM TO PLAYOFFS

peyton manning-lost 16 -19 vs. tennessee titans

eli manning-didn't even score

looks like it runs in the family

It will be enjoyable to see our QB win a SB whilst the Eagles will always have McNabb's fatigue and nausea to remember.

Long live the G.

before you can win a superbowl, you gotta be able to score in a playoff game

BUMP for today's crew that missed this loverly thread!!!!!

sheli finally says something worth posting.......

When you start comparing yourself to other quarterbacks, I want to be playing at the level where [big brother] Peyton's been playing, Tom Brady, what [Donovan] McNabb has been able to do. The elite quarterbacks in the league."

Link

wow....just when you thought the country's reading comprehension skills advanced, you maggots took illiterateness to another level

at no time did i say westy was "better" than tiki, however i did mention that you cannot compare the career's of the two because it would be skewed. how can you compare the careers when one has played twice as long as the other? it's like saying eli is a better qb than matt hasselbeck

let the younger guy play a little while longer before you pass judgment

 

I don't know about being a better reciever. Westbrook may have better number, but please keep in mind the westbrook plays in a pass happey system.

 

Keep in mind the Tiki had to share the load too...Gary Brown, joe Mongmery (sp) Ron Dayne ()just to name a few.

some things are better off not even addressed.....westbrook is the nfl's version of dirk nowitzki, a matchup nightmare

if you think tiki is a better receiver than westbrook, you should go back over to general discussion....you don't even belong in this section

So by virtue of the stats you've provided, I think you've demonstrated Tiki's superioty, since Tiki was mostly a 3rd down back and ST player in the early going.

 

I think waiting for Westbroke to have 9 years under his belt is a stretch, besides I don't know what talking to him will do then, what's he going to tell you about: running a car lot?

 

That's a long life a starting RB. The good news is that Andy doesn't use him much, so he may not take an injury.

tiki's superiority??? are you serious??? are you evaluating the same stats i am???

westbrook was the same thing for the eagles....a 3rd down back and ST stud early on. he was behind staley and buckhalter

view the stats again, but this time, take off the blue glasses.

tiki scored 19 tds in his first four years...westbrook scored 29

tiki averaged 3.975 ypc......westbrook averaged 4.5 ypc

did i mention that westbrook even passed for a td his rookie season???? tiki in 9 years still hasn't done that

in summary, westbrook has better rushing stats, receiving stats and return stats......all with less fumbles

andy doesn't use him that much? well that depends on your definition of "using a player"

again comparing after 4 years, tiki had 785 touches.....westbrook had 792

you used to be a formitable foe once, now you're age is starting to show.

does being a giant fan mean you ignore facts/stats?? maybe you shouldn't have stopped smoking just yet

slow down guys, i respect tiki for being one of the most underrated players in the NFL as well as a top rb, but just because westbrook DESTROYS the giants every time he plays against them, let's not forget that he's only been in the league 4 years (tiki has been playing nine) so it's unfair to compare tiki's and westbrook's careers as a whole......it's sorta like comparing lebron's to kobe's....let's wait until the younger player plays a few more years

comparatively speaking, tiki's 1st four years pale in comparison to westbrook's

Tiki

Year G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

1997 12 6 136 511 3.8 42 3 2 31

1998 16 4 52 166 3.2 23 0 1 8

1999 16 1 62 258 4.2 30 0 1 12

2000 16 12 213 1006 4.7 78 8 9 38

Westbrook

Year G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

2002 15 3 46 193 4.2 18 0 0 11

2003 15 8 117 613 5.2 62 7 6 27

2004 13 12 177 812 4.6 50 3 7 38

2005 12 12 156 617 4.0 31 3 5 27

in addition, during tiki's first four years, he fumbled the ball 18 times......westbrook fumbled the ball 6.

plus westbrook returned punts during that span...in tiki's first four years he scored one td returning punts. westbrook scored twice

westbrook is a MUCH better receiver than tiki....i wont even post those stats

plus westbrook has always had to share the load at rb, unlike tiki...remember Duce Staley???

O|/\/N'D!!!!!!!

Tiki isn't even mortal considering his longevity and productivity.

exactly....see my other thread for more details.

which giants are currently on steroids??

The Eagles haven't had a good WR corps in recent memory...except when they had TO...they still managed to do pretty well. I fear people are greatly underestimating them.

shhh.....these idiots let the talking heads at espn dictate their football knowledge

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great news!!!!

pay them whatever it takes....believe me, it would be well worth it

tell them we'll even throw in the orifices of gspotter and relyoneli to sweeten the deal!!!

where did we digress.....oh yeah, so what's the over/under of how long this relationship lasts between elisha and plax???

Yeah, I'm sure that what it was...

you're right....he actually hurt himself BEFORE training camp

L I N K A G E

After missing the final seven games of last season, Donovan McNabb said he's recovered from the sports hernia that sidelined the five-time Pro Bowler.

McNabb took the podium at the NovaCare Complex on Tuesday after practice, his only press conference during the Eagles' final organized team activity.

After enduring a season of injuries and controversy, McNabb has turned the page. That was his message in the team's post-draft mini-camps and it was apparent on Tuesday, when the questions focused on football.

He discussed his recovery from the sports hernia, his confidence in the Eagles' young receivers and his decision to return to Arizona, his off-season home, before training camp.

But entering a season where his health is the topic of conversation for football fans wondering whether the Eagles will return to NFC supremacy after a down year, McNabb assured the media that his health is not an issue.

"I've felt I'm getting stronger and improving my flexibility," McNabb said. "I would like to say I'm at 100 percent, but you never know until you put the pads on in a scrimmage situation or a game situation this whole off-season."

McNabb was fighting injuries throughout much of the season before finally succumbing to the biggest of them all, a sports hernia, after a Week 9 loss to the Dallas Cowboys. While McNabb admitted he entered last season's training camp with a "tweak" in the area, he insists there is no reason why a player suffers a sports hernia.

"When it comes to a sports hernia, it seems like we just heard about it once I got it," McNabb said. "It's really not an explanation, to say you get it from overworking or overexert yourself or pay too much attention to core training. A lot of guys do that but they don't get hurt. It's not going to stop me."

Quite the contrary, actually. McNabb said he's going to work harder, if that's possible. He said he always looks for ways to change his training, and this off-season, the focus is on becoming more cut rather than adding bulk. He even joked that he wants to prepare for pool parties over the summer so he can show off his body.

It was typical McNabb, displaying his sense of humor even when being pressed about an injury from seven months ago. But he has an unflappable confidence, and that's evident when talking about everything from his rehab to his receivers.

McNabb is aware the Eagles' receiving corps is sometimes maligned, and he said the group uses it as motivation. McNabb feels confident about the progress Reggie Brown made last season when he was forced into a starting role as a rookie, and views the experience as a tool that could catapult the second-year pro.

He also singled out Todd Pinkston, who's worked hard to rehab from a season-ending Achilles injury suffered during training camp. McNabb knows the group doesn't have the star name that intrigues fans and the media, but feels the group can be productive nonetheless.

"I've never been in a situation where I would sit and talk about my receivers," McNabb said. "I have the full confidence in my receivers. People have talked bad about my receivers ever since (Terrell Owens) showed up and they've continued to do it now that he's gone. And we've used to that as a motivation to go into every game, every practice, to make ourselves better. We have some guys who've made big plays for us and we have some guys who are going to make big plays for us, and I'm looking forward to letting them do that."

McNabb spends his off-seasons working out in Arizona and often has receivers and running backs visit to work with him. While he said it's too early to tell who will come to Arizona following the OTAs because of prior commitments, McNabb views it as a place where he's comfortable training and will help prepare him for training camp and the season.

It's all part of a McNabb who's looking ahead and not behind. It's a quarterback who's firmly established as a leader in a locker room that is focused on playing winning football.

"It goes back to us being veterans," McNabb said. "We have to get us back to that whole situation of winning again."

Why don't you just go away?

why don't you make me, sally?

Yeah we all saw how great he was playing before he got hurt

mcnabb was hurt since training camp....what was elisha's excuse?