Allstarjim

 

Yeah... move back on to inequality, right?

 

The monkeys should just keep dancing and shut up, right?

It's all in your head.

Kaep: It's not collusion, it's not that he's not good enough, it's not the headache, either. It's the bottom line. It's all about the money. And any team that signs Kaepernick will take a large financial hit because he's such a divisive figure in the American consciousness that many people will not watch, will not attend games, will not buy merchandise, and so on. He is terrible for business. That's why he's not signed. It has everything to do with the business aspect of football, not the on-field product. Of course he's good enough to be a back-up QB in the league. But he's already lost the NFL millions, and any team that signs him, they will get financially crushed.

As for Elliott, this was entirely expected. Only question now is if he can get another appeal.

Who was the guy who was pushing Graham Gano a few years back? Hes very good. Think it was Jim.

Correct.

Hopefully a new OT who's biggest complement coming out of college isnt "He plays nasty"

 

Fuck what a waste of a pick, said it then say it now, Flowers is a chump.

Mike McGlinchey sounds like a OT name, right?

Spent some time surfing the web during the game. There was just a lot more going wrong this week than last oddly enough.

 

It was poor planning to have Bobby Hart out there, he is still hurting and single handedly killed our first series. Giants should have worked Pugh out at RT and Jones at LG during the week in preparation for the game. That isn't hindsight, it is a contingency plan based on a known injury.

 

I can only hope they keep them there but I know better. Already tired of watching Bobby Hart play RT. Then there's Flowers... and there is no answer. If you want to put in Chad Wheeler then I want to take Eli Manning out now. You can start Geno Smith with Chad Wheeler at LT and Eli Manning will still be alive for everyone to realize the mistake. Flowers needs full time help to make it through this season.

 

Last night should remind the defense they need to earn the top defense ranking again.

 

Big step in development for Engram last night, starting to get excited for our first round pick and watching him play.

I agree with a good deal of this post, but this part right here...Flowers is already getting Eli killed. I honestly don't think Wheeler can be worse than Flowers. The mistake would be to continue on as if Flowers is going to eventually be a good LT. Just because he improved a little bit in the second half, I'd give Flowers one more game there. ONE more. That's it. If he can't do the job, they have to put someone else there. I don't care if it's Wheeler or Pugh, but Flowers is a problem.

....he played pretty well last night.

 

C. Wagon

I strongly disagree. He made 2 good plays, mostly got swallowed up and taken out of plays in the run game. He can't blockshed for shit.

Sam Darnold, QB, USC...if there's a shot to get him you go for it.

Team needs, in no particular order.

 

A runningback - maybe...I'd like to see Gallman. But we need a big power back and the team needs to go that direction offensively.

About four offensive linemen. OK, Pugh may not be on this team, but the Giants need to go for two new starting tackles and probably an OG since Pugh is likely leaving. I think Wheeler is the future at LT. Bisnowaty (currently on PS) could be an interior lineman, or they may move Flowers to RG or RT. It can be fixed very quickly, but they need to commit to change on the OL and fixing it decisively.

Another WR Really? We're fine. Sure, wouldn't mind a third rounder, but there's no dire need. OBJ was mostly a decoy, and he'll be better once fully healthy.

A defensive tackle not named Jay Bromley. Dalvin Tomlinson is the answer there.

A cornerback. Nah, this team did miss Janoris Jenkins last night but we have 4 good ones. Not sure who will still be on the roster next year but I think we're ok right now.

A special teams ace to push that fucktard Roger Lewis off the roster (watch him on the punt return TD - Wing didn't out kick the coverage, the coverage just didn't bother to cover). Probably, shouldn't be too hard to address.

A spine for Ben McAdoo. His spine is fine, it's his hard head that's the problem. He will be looking for work if this season falls off the rails, I think.

Look, there is a very consistent problem with 3rd or 4th and gotta have it and the Giants throwing short of the first down. It's reached embarrassing levels when all you need is 3 effing yards and you throw short. Pathetic football. McAdoo should fire himself.

We're in absolute must score territory now.

I can't believe he caught that punt.

I thought when Engram broke the tackle he was going to get there. Barely miss the first down, get burned on the punt return TD.

Throw up.

At least there were some signs of life on that drive.

Oh yeah, hey guys.

 

I dont understand this thinking.

 

"They could of drafted these players over these players"

 

Like hindsight isnt 20/20.

Correct, just saying these players were available when they took Davis. Personally, I wanted them to take Perine there, would've been happy with D'Onta Foreman also, but I acknowledge that Foreman they might've known was a character flag (weapons, drug charges in July).

I know you're on board with Webb. I'm not saying I'm not...but there is a very real chance he'll never play for the Giants. He's unlikely to this year and probably not next, and if we're really going in for another Lombardi, we could've used that pick for another talent to help now.

That's why my top two choices in the draft were Bolles and Ramczyk. Both are starting LTs right now. Bolles has looked really good for the Broncos, btw. We didn't have a shot at him without trading up, but we could've taken Ramczyk. Ramczyk held Everson Griffen to 0 sacks and 0 pressures week 1. I do like Engram, a lot. But he isn't going to help our team more than a real LT would who would stalemate pressure from the blindside.

As for what they saw in Flowers? Power. He absolutely destroyed guys. Physically dominant. But I'll be honest, I mostly saw that in the run game in his college, and we don't really try to run the ball for some crazy reason.

The organization continues to make picks that are fine in a bubble, but do nothing to really help the team. Engram was supposed to be the seam buster in this offense. Week 1, they don't run him up the seam at all. What the fuck. Also, here is a short list of RB's the Giants could've taken instead of Davis Webb:

D'Onta Foreman

Jamaal Williams

Tarik Cohen

Marlon Mack

James Conner

Samaje Perine

Donnell Pumphrey

Some of those guys I woudn't have taken before Gallman, so I don't want to be too much of a MMQB, and I do like Gallman. But Foreman has the look of the power back we really could use. So does Perine. This team needs to run the ball with authority, and it's criminal that McAdoo would prefer to throw two and three yard dinks and dunks when you can get that through a power running game.

Vast improvement by Flowers will make this all moot, but I don't know how anyone can see that happening at this point. He's had a LOT of time.

no, seriously, Eli played scared last night. There were plays that he had time and he did not set his feet. The OL was bad, but last night wasn't on the OL. Put on film of Eli from 2011 and compare it to now --- the protection is similar, but the QB is chickenshit by comparison.

I 1000% agree. The level of denial of many Giants' fans regarding Eli is reaching face-palm worthy levels. You can plainly see he is legit terrible, he is, as you said, playing scared.

The line isn't All-Pro, but about 28-30 other starting QB's could work with what the Giants have and produce better results than what we saw last night. That's not an exaggeration, he is a bad quarterback right now.

Here's the thing, Seph...all those other guys you are talking about, players that have done worse things, right...they were suspended and sometimes paid other penalties, such as legal, and they all admit their mistakes and acknowledge the wrong they did.

Americans are a pretty forgiving people. But not if you don't acknowledge your wrongdoing, and certainly not if you continue with the negative behavior. But Kaep makes no apologies, continues to fight his fight, and has not suffered any penalty except he can no longer find a job in the NFL.

There's the other element at play in which so many people who love the game can't afford to go to a game, and this rich man who would likely only have attained his wealth in this country, disrespects the country. People have a hard time with that.

Why do people keep saying Kaep exercised his rights? Nobody's disputing that he has a right to do it, it doesn't mean that his opinion and stance is one that people are going to not only not agree with, but find loathsome. Great, we've established he's within his rights and he has a conviction. But there is a lot more people that think his conviction and method of protest are hostile to what they believe. And they are well within their rights to say so as well, and to let the league owners know what signing him would mean for their continued enjoyment, or lack thereof, of their product.

Thing is, teams can overcome a below-average OL and win. The Giants OL last year was worse than what they have this year, and they won 11 games.

What you can't overcome is a bad secondary. Giants fans know. We remember C.C. Brown.

It's funny hearing Eagles' fans with their confidence this year. They think they got so much better. Well, the whole league got better. That's the point. Teams try to improve year to year. The Giants added two very valuable weapons on offense and now have a more dynamic running game by letting go of Jennings and turning the keys over to Paul Perkins and Wayne Gallman.

I like Blount and all. And Jeffery is a nice player when he's healthy, But that defense is going to be roasted if they can't cover. That's @ fatal flaw. You can overcome pass pro deficiencies by getting the ball out quick, or devoting an extra blocker, or running the ball effectively. You can't overcome a secondary that can't cover. And that's why the Eagles are screwed.

Yeah... good one.

 

 

That's funny because PFF also ranked The Eagles O-line #1.

 

 

http://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-line-units-heading-into-the-2017-season

 

 

I like how Y'ALL conveniently glossed over that, especially when this thread is about the O-line.

 

 

See what I mean about Vagiants fans?

 

 

SECONDARIES DON'T WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS... O-LINES WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Yeah they whiffed on that analysis. Jason Peters is old, btw. So, so old.

 

"according to Andy Lipari of the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle."

 

What do you expect from a democrat?

Good one, Nas.

Reading material for BronxEagle:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-teams-secondaries-heading-into-the-2017-season

I think his ongoing iron Man streak will be as much a reason he gets in as the passing numbers. But I hope he solidifies it with a great year and a third Super Bowl.

I think we already know how, buddy.