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What is this guys deal? Seems kind of lazy to me, which I think would account for some of his non consistency.

New York Mets' Oliver Perez 'behind' in conditioning after World Baseball Classic

by Brian Costa /The Star-Ledger

Thursday March 26, 2009, 10:00 AM

 

Pitcher Oliver Perez has alarmed the Mets with his conditioning and performance since returning from the World Baseball Classic, where he played for Mexico.

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- Mets pitcher Oliver Perez acknowledged Thursday that the World Baseball Classic put him behind schedule in his preparations for the regular season but said he is not out of shape.

 

"I'm good," Perez said. "If you want to run with me, we can run. I feel good."

 

Perez's struggles Wednesday against the Detroit Tigers, in his second start since returning from the WBC, left the Mets seriously concerned about his preparedness for the season.

 

While he was gone for the WBC, Perez pitched only twice in 19 days for a total of just 6 2/3 innings. And he was hit hard in both appearances, giving up seven earned runs on 13 hits.

 

Not only did he pitch fewer innings than he would have if he stayed with the Mets, but Perez said he also did less conditioning work in between starts.

 

That leaves him with a lot of ground to make up between now and Opening Day.

 

"I just threw six innings in 19 days," Perez said. "That's not easy to come back here. I'm behind these guys. They have more than 15 innings. I have two more starts and I have to prepare and get ready."

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look at what braylon did the year before.but Proven game changer vs a 2nd round unproven Wr?

I was only showing the humor in those two posts. You point out that you don't like Britt because he drops the ball, but you want Edwards who led the league in drops last year.

I would also like to see Braylon Edwards on the team and I think first round wide receivers are just about as risky as quarterbacks. Tough to tell how a player will translate to the pros.

he drops a lot of balls. Hes on the shorter side of 6-3 and although you might not think its a big difference from being 6'4, it makes a world of difference when your CB is 5 10 and probly has good leaping ability. that extra inch is a difference maker. Plax had the ability to get separation. guys like nicks and britt cant do it at the college level leads me to belive they wont be able to do it at the Pros.

Funny thing is there positive always seem to be there negatives. idk just my gut feeling he wont do squat in the pros. i think alot of like him deep down because he goes to rutgers and we want a local product. I wouldn't waste a first on him. If we are going Wr in the first id rather us trade it for Braylon Edwards( yes there a little Michigan Homerism here)

oops I didn't see that MWS44 dropped the link (ever so slightly) in the Braylon thread.... Sorry 44......

Thanks for the cred. I thought about doing a new thread, but just didn't feel like it at that moment.

Compensatory selections cannot be traded...

Didn't know that. But based on this information, now that we have 2 third round picks, giving up the 4th rounder doesn't effect to much. I definately think a 2, 4 and a 5 should land Edwards.

I'm just glad you dont work with the Giants FO then, the Giants said no to dealing Smith and thats that, no need to be "analytical" about it.

 

We want to give them our extra second and fifth round pick which should easily be enough to get a player who has a history of dropping passes along with being banged up throughout the season. However the Browns ask for Smith the only WR currently on the Giants roster who has big game experience and has shown he can move the chains which IMO is hard to find in alot of WRs regardless of your idea that a free agent can just step in and fill his spot. The Giants don't want to give Smith up in the deal, he is young, obviously has good reputation with Eli and will easily be a Giants for the rest of his career outside of some career altering injury.

 

So we countered the Browns with Hixon who has shown he "could" start or even Manninggam who at one point was projected to be a first round talent. The Browns are stupid for not taking our end of the agreement in my opinion, they get two draft picks plus a WR who could develope into something in Manningham or Hixon who can be atleast a #2 on their team.

 

Look at it this way, we get Braylon and trade away Smith. More then likely we wont be signing a WR though FA and would be drafting some kid in the later rounds just to bulk up our WR core. Lets say Braylon gets banged up which heading into the later part of his career could happen. So he's down we're then left with Hixon/Moss/Manningham/Tyree/Draft pick. Do you think we could actually win with that WR core? I'd be much happier with at least Smith/Moss/Tyree/Draft pick/Hixon or Manningham whoever we trade away if the situation came around to it. Smith has game time experience and at this point is probably the best WR on the team(if Plax isnt back) so why trade him away. He has chemistry with Eli and knows this offense and has been bread into our #2 guy. To me to throw away all that work would be beyond idiotic for the Giants to do.

 

Dont get me wrong if this Plax thing goes down the shitter and he is gone I would love to have Edwards, but not at the cost of our #2 guy with a roster of WRs who have shown nothing yet. Heck throw in an extra second round pick in my opinion or even our third which should seal the deal, but the Giants wont be trading Smith and I would take the expert opinion of the Giants FO over ANYONES opinion on an internet forum.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It sounds like we may be getting a pretty high compensatory pick in this draft. Package that with the other two extra picks and that should seal the deal. Based on the trades made for other WR in recent years, I think a 2, 4 and 5 should land Edwards.

You can say Smith only had 4 starts, but he was pretty much taking over Amani's role all year. It's not as if Smith was your typical third WR in this offense. He was a big part of the game plan. I like Smith, too. But he's not untradeable.

The problem with looking at those number is that it is only his second year and he isn't even a starter yet. BE started as the Browns No.1 receiver, which means he should be on the field for most of the offensive plays, and his numbers are only 55 rec. 873 yards and 3 TDs. Those numbers aren't all that impressive either. I know it was a down year for him, but SS hasn't even gotten the chance to start yet and he put up comparable numbers to a guy we are talking about trading him for. Not to mention the 2 picks. Edwards would be a great pickup as long as Smith isn't involved in the deal.

I guess to some sensitive souls, anyone who disagrees with them, or does not worship players they worship is a troll

 

That's a narrow viewpoint, and if it were allowed to take control would lead to ta totalitarian board

 

I'm sure all the Nazi's in Germany thought they were right and the rest of the world should be "banned"....in modern times you have all kinds of extremist groups, and some countires who follow tha old nazi path

 

If you want to talk old boards. the original giants board was wide open, and a ton on fun until some people could not resist taking it to the limit, and the fist came down .......whiping the current events board away altogether, and eventually making he Giants section a closely monitored bore

I honestly think that the people that are annoyed at this thread are not so much having a problem with your posts in the thread, as much as the thread title itself. I still can't figure out, nor have you explained how the teams troubles in the LAST 5 games of last season has anything to do with the amazing superbowl run the team went on the year before. The superbowl team played lights out football in the playoffs, then continued to roll of a fantastic record until the end of the next year, mainly when the 2 new starting defensive ends wore down (which first time starters always do) the defensive tackles got busted up, and the teams big play threat was eliminated from the equation. What does that have to do with the shiny new trophy in the trophy case from the prior season??

Listen, mws, I respect what you have to say, but it's just the timing. How can they know right now the guy isn't going to be able to turn it around? Last season was his first full season back from his accident, and this is so premature. For a guy like Duaner, the least they could do was wait until final roster cuts before making the decision. The timing of this cut tells me that it was more about saving $1.5 mil than anything else. I just think with the way the bullpen destroyed our season last year, a wild card like Duaner should be given every chance to succeed, and IMO they didn't give that to him when he doesn't even make it halfway through the Spring.

 

Parnell, Kunz... yeah, I like those guys, but they are unproven and that is a chance that after last season, I think you just have an open as a competition as you can for as long as you can, so you make absolutely sure you are putting the best bullpen out there that you possibly can.

All fair points. Maybe they should have given him the rest of the spring for the competition aspect, but they see the guy everyday. If they were sure in their minds that he's done, I don't blame them for not wanting to waste the money for nothing.

This comment is a little late as I see you have subdued your fury.

IF they sign Will Ohman than I will not be angry with this move. And I will say this about Sanchez, he was not as good as before the taxi incident, but he was one of our better relievers last year. He was not the problem. I would not be surprised if he latches on with someone else and builds upon last year with better results. But I doubt that the Mets will sign Ohman. I think this Bernie Madoff thing has something to do with the making of this roster this year, and had this Ponzi scheme never have happened, I'm not sure Duaner is let go not even two weeks into March.

Based on ERA alone he was the 5th best reliever behind Wagner, Shoeneweis, Stokes, Smith and Feliciano in a bull pen that was horrid last year. I liked Goggles too, but he wasn't the same guy and apparently management has seen enough to be confident that he never will be, at least in the immediate future. This is one of those times where you have to put aside a good memory of one season and recoup some money. It's easy to say that it's ONLY 1.5 mil when it's not your money.

As far as the Ponzi scheme goes, it seems to me that we signed the best closer on the market. I don't think they were too tight with the wallet.

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I only saw the one at bat that he got jammed inside with the bases loaded. He almost muscled it into the out field, but not quite. No one else did anything in that inning either though.

I am surprised at how much drama this USA - Canada game is actually producing. Good game. It's got me in the baseball season mood much more than I was. He finished it off, but after he gave up a run. Tough to be great in March but there was some very real pressure in that 9th.

L t isnt getting 18 mill a year

Of course not. He retired YEARS ago. Don't be rediculous.

I'm pretty sure Gruden is an offenive coach. Sad to see Spags go. Thanks for 2 great years buddy.

If he was good enough we'd have that sample already.

 

10.8 ypc would be consisdered low-to-average for a WR, no? His 1.8 yac is hardly inspiring, especially for someone regarded widely as a "speed guy".

 

I don't have a problem with him, I just think we've seen his potential and I'm puzzled as to what others think is still there to discover. I think he'd make a decent third option somewhere like Minnesota or Baltimore, but we can do better.

Well, I gues it's average. Steve Smith, who I think is going to be a great receiver, only has a 9.9 ypc with 1 td. From what I've seen on the field, the Giants mostly ask Moss to do curls and out routes. I don't think I've ever seen him streak down the field for a deep ball, which I think they should do. But as far as 10.8 ypc goes, thats a first down per catch which is fine in my book.

Nope. No instincts for the game. I don't even think he's as fast as everyone believes him to be. Unfortunately I think his potential has already been realised. I don't know why he'd get put on return duties over Bradshaw except out of fear of losing a talented player. Bradshaw is a much, much better runner.

Tree, how can you be so down on this guy with such a small sample to go on? Last year he got some playing time and looked like a rookie. He ran backwards with the ball losing 1st downs and had some drops. The games I have really seen him in this year he looked pretty good. He had a pretty huge game when he had two touchdowns and doesn't seem to have the dropsies this year. I haven't seen him run backwards yet this year and he has a 10.8 yard per catch avg. The trip you keep talking about last week was on a sloppy field. I think a larger sample is needed before we ride him out of town.

Oh how quick we all forget 2007 and how he carried this team on his back. If anyone doesn't think this will cause him to do a 180 their crazy. He knows he will never play in the NFL again if he gets in trouble once more. I doubt he would even consider showing up 30 seconds late to another meeting. And that is why I would want him back. This incident absolutely forces being a better player and teammate upon Plax.

Man, no way am I forgeting 2007. At the begining of this season I wanted nothing more than for Plax to get the contract he deserved, even if he did have 3 years remaining on his original one. That was becuse he deserved the new contract based on what he was doing with the team and on the field. If Plax continued to work, after the new contract, as he did last season, he would have went down as a Giants hero. Instead we got a guy who couldn't show up for work, treatments, had a bad attitude toward his punishments and has now brought other people down with his actions. I hope he turns things around for himself, but I think the Giants organization should feel slightly betrayed by a guy who they tried to do right by.

I also remember people saying his 1 game suspension for skipping his monday meetings was his wake up call. Guess not.

Tough call I think. I went back and forth but voted cut or trade. If he had a better attitude and work ethic, I would be more willing to want him to stay. This has been more than one mistake. He worked hard and played his ass off while injured last year. For that the Giants rewarded him with the contract he wanted. Since the game after his contract signing, I have watched him take plays off, miss meetings, miss treatments, have no remorse or recognition of wrongdoing for these things, and now this. He comes off as a bratty little child who was on his best behavior until he got the toy he wanted and went back to what he really is.

Yeah, but the conference wild card tie break is slightly different because they don't look at division records.

It's actually alot more complicated than that:

NFL Tiebreaking Procedures

The six postseason participants from each conference are seeded as follows:

 

The division champion with the best record.

The division champion with the second-best record.

The division champion with the third-best record.

The division champion with the fourth-best record.

The Wild Card club with the best record.

The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

 

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.

 

TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION

If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.

 

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

 

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in common games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

 

If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.

If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs

Head-to-head, if applicable.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in conference games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

 

Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

Best net points in conference games.

Best net points in all games.

Best net touchdowns in all games.

Coin toss

When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.

 

DETERMINING HOME-FIELD PRIORITY

To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.

To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different divisions).

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

 

The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie moves down in drafting priority within its tied segment as follows:

For a loss inthe Wild-Card playoffs, a plus factor of one-half.

For participation, win or lose, in the Divisional Playoffs, a plus factor of one.

For a loss in the conference championship Game, a plus factor of one.

Clubs with the best won-lost-tied records after these steps are applied will drop to their appropriate spots at the bottom of the tied segment. In no case will the above process move a club lower than the segmentin which it was initially tied.

Tied clubs will alternate priority throughout the 7 rounds of the draft. In case of a tie involving three or more teams, the club with priority in the first round will drop to the bottom of the tied segment in the second round and move its way back to the top of the segment in each succeeding round.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

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Last year Moss was frustrating to watch because he ran backward after almost every pass he caught. He has corrected that this year and has done nothing but make plays the small amount of time he has actually been on the field. Eli didn't even hesitate to look to him on some big downs on Sunday. I still think the receiving corps is strong. Our starting 3 run crisp routes which I think is the reason Eli looks so in tune with them. They are always where they are supposed to be and never take plays off.

XLII Brotha.

That messed me up when the Giants played the Eagles too. They should make it red or blue.