mws44

Here is some more math for you. The Giants had 4 home games from November 16th until the season was over.

11-16-08 vs. Baltimore Ravens - the wind is so strong in Giants stadium that the team can't even start Carney due to his weak leg strenght. Tynes goes 1 for 1.

12-7-08 vs. Philadelphia Eagles - 0 for 1.

12-21-08 vs. Carolina Panthers - 2 for 2.

1-11-09 vs. Philadelphia Eagles - 3 for 5.

So from the middle of November on, at Giants Stadium Carney kicks for a whopping 5 for 8 or 62.5%. If Reese doesn't resign him - God help us all.

yeah all those pro bowlers had horrible years.....weird huh?

Yeah, since pro bowlers are selected around December 16th and voting begins around the second week of October, I'd say they all had a great year right up until about............the middle of November. Odd how that works out isn't it?

When Carney kicked I could get up and go get a beer and hit the replay button later

 

When Tynes kicked (even KO's and Xtra points) you could not get up to piss if you had a 2 oz capacity bladder

 

that was the difference

I have no use for Tynes either, but your love of Carney is unwarranted; especially if you watched any games after mid November.

Thanks for that brilliant input

 

what was the poor guy 38 out of 40 with Pro Bowl honors.......yeah your right we need a guy like Tynes who hooked 2 left before hitting the big one in Green Bay. It was a miracle he actually made one

 

I wish the Giants had 22 Antonio Pierce's and Tynes and your spot in Hades was a big screen TV to watch them

 

Carney will probably line up in th NFC East or with the Jets along with Plaxico to drive you nuts.......I'll tease you a bit when that happens

 

not too much

 

you could not handle it hahahahaha

 

By the way Carney did not lose to Philly.......Eli was the culprit

How the hell could Carney possibly get a pass for missing 2 Field Goals in a playoff game? Yet Tynes is the worst kicker ever for missing the same exact amount in sub zero weather, kicking a concrete ball. Blame whoever you like, leaving 6 points on the board in a playoff game is huge.

I think that sentance is worded poorly. I'm pretty sure that they mean that Sintim will be starting out as a SAM LB, not that he has the starting job.

18 Nicks, Hakeem WR 6-1 212 21 R North Carolina

97 Sintim, Clint LB 6-3 256 23 R Virginia

65 Beatty, William T 6-6 307 24 R Connecticut

13 Barden, Ramses WR 6-6 229 23 R Cal Poly

22 Brown, Andre RB 6-0 224 22 R North Carolina State

47 Beckum, Travis TE 6-3 243 22 R Wisconsin

5 Bomar, Rhett QB 6-2 225 23 R Sam Houston State

29 Woodson, Stoney CB 5-11 197 23 R South Carolina

26 Wright, DeAndre CB 5-11 198 23 R New Mexico

You beat me to it. Throw a fucking strike!! I just can't forgive a losing walk EVER. Throw a 60 mph lolipop down the middle of the plate. That is more respectable than walking in the winning run kenny rogers. Fucker.

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Here's the thing I can't understand about Omar though - He seemed to find alot of talent through the farm system when he was with the Expos. All of the talent on that club was brought up through their minor league system. They were basicly a minor league team for the rest of MLB. Possibly the young talent he always seemed to find was a product of that fact, but I'm just not sure. I think the ownership must have a final say in every move, because he seemed to be a better GM (finding young talent wise) when he didn't have the cash to spend. I certainly don't think he is doing a horrible job (see Jim Duquet) but not quite what I thought was going to go down after a good first 2 years.

Ha! Good post. Sheds some light on THIS article I read during lunch. Some interesting stuff. I guess he just enjoys goofing off in the dug out every game.

Well it's been about 20 games now and David still looks timid at the plate and really just lost.

Yeah. Gettin a little worried at this point. It's almost May, time to get it going. He looks like he is slowly going the other way and trying to work out of it, which is good. I can't understand all the strikeouts though. Could end up being a down year for him. Guess we'll find out.

I had heard that they were thinking about releasing Garcia, but were unaware they did so. His velocity just could not improve, real shame, guy was a good pitcher at one time and could have helped at some point. I would say Figueroa is a good short term option, but I am thinking more towards a longer term option for replacing Livan, who has not been horrible, but is what he is. IMO the best option is Niese, but if you can guarantee me that Ollie comes back 100% right and Maine and Pelfrey look to stay on course then I can deal with Nelson for a while too.

 

I know Niese has not been great in AAA, but I chalk that up to a slow start. He had a good 2008 minor league season and pitched well at times with the Mets late last year.

I can understand the desire to replace a one year journeyman with someone brought up through the system, but if Ollie gets it together and Pelf and Maine return to form (they both looked pretty good in their last starts), I think Livan is just what you want in the 5th slot. If he can consistantly throw 5.2 to 6 innings of 3 to 4 run ball with this bullpen not getting worn out by the other starters, this team will be solid. They have to start knocking in base runners sooner or later right?.......................guys......................guys?

Those pictures are pretty weak evidence, if that's what they are being passed off as. They are clearly in a club, and you have to get that close to anyone just to talk to them. Just looks like he is kidding around with a buddy to me. There are probably 50 other pictures of him draped all over the 3 chicks there that never made the internet.

I say NF then keep him on for long / middle relief once Ollie straightens himself outt.

Garcia got released and Nelson F. got signed to AAA with Pena. Linkage

Some of us (like myself) are just judging by what we see on the football field. Us amateur scouts don't see the natural ability in Smith of a #1 receiver. He does work hard, runs great routes, and has very good hands, all true. But he doesn't have size, doesn't have big jumping ability, is not a big after the catch threat, is not exceptionally fast making him a limited vertical threat. These things limit his ceiling. Can he be a productive weapon? Absolutely, and I really like him for our future. But his ceiling is a #2 possession guy. And that's his ceiling. So, in a perfect world, he would be a slot guy, because in a perfect world, we would have a true #1 receiver and a #2 that has SOME #1 receiver tools... Kind of like Boldin and Fitzgerald in Arizona. Fitz is a real deal #1 receiver, and Boldin has enough tools of a #1 that he can step in that role if called upon, and is highly productive when Fitz gets all the attention.

 

In summation he could be a #2 for us, but in a more potent Giants offense that we all want, we would like to see him as a 3rd WR with two guys in front of him with more natural ability (hopefully one being Braylon Edwards, IMO). But of course we still want Smith to be an important part of the offense, still.

Well.....it sounds like you sort of agree with me here. I never saw him as a #1 receiver because he just doesn't fit the mold. Even when I think back to Toomer being our #1 it surprises me. He certainly doesn't fit that mold either. I definately think #2 is his ceiling, but that isn't a bad thing. He does have some speed and runs great routes which will get him the separation he needs. He also has good hands and I see him having some huge games for the G-men in the future.

As far as Fitz and Boldin goes, that is almost a perfect storm, which doesn't happen often and doesn't look like it will stay together either. Most teams don't have a #1, let alone 2 of them. Some teams luck out for a few years (Harrison-Wayne, Bruce-Holt, Johnson-TJ [for a short while]) but that certainly isn't the norm.

THe short answer is NO !!

 

Heres why:

 

Eli Manning even though mister clutch has accuracy problems

and he needs a big target than can go after the inacurate throws

he some times makes. Eli is a bit streaky in that regard.

 

Without that type of receiver D's will load up on the run.

 

If they wanna another Lombardi, that has to happen.

 

Our current group will not cut it. Hixon cant do it, Smith is a slot 3rd down man

and Manningham is totally not proven in any regard.

Why has this become the popular thing to label Steve Smith as? Why is he only a slot/3rd down man, because that's all he's played so far in his career? I think Smith is going to make a fantastic No. 2 receiver. He was behind Plax and Toomer the past two years, then got thrown into an offense that couldn't adjust it's philosophy once it lost Plax. I just don't get how a receiver gets a label like that 2 years into his career. He runs great routes, has shown good hands and a good work ethic. I guess I don't see the limiting factors others here see.

Wow. Only 6 games in huh. Really? Dude it's freaking baseball. Hitters are cold and hot all year long. He's just starting cold thats all. He'll be fine.

I was listening to it on mlb gameday audio. They couldn't get the WFAN feed working (shocker) so I had to listen to the Reds feed. Those dinks were complaining about how bad Harang was getting squeezed, but at the same time that Santana was extremely wild. That didn't add up to me, but I didn't get to see the replay.

Santana himself check

bullpen does its job check

same shitty clutch hitting check

 

 

Mets would have blown that game in 08, man a decent pen masks poor situational hitting huh?

I was thinking the same thing. When Beltran didn't bring Reyes in from third in the first inning, all I could think was "Here we go again, Mr. Clutch"

Hopefully they figure out how to relax in those situations.

...were you watching the same second half NYG offense with WRs unable to get open and dropping balls left and right? I must have seen Hixon drop 3 sure fire touchdowns or at least long gainers with balls placed right over his shoulder.

He was talking about him as a kick returner.

I totally agree xxi. I was pissed when I heard they were gonna sign him. My buddy said he watched him in right field of Yankee stadium on a 90 degree day deliberately drop a fly ball, then lazily pick it up and lob it in to the cut off guy cuz he didn't want to play in the heat. I hope he doesn't cut into Daniel Murphy's playing time because he is the one guy this year I was very exicted to watch play. I like watching the young guys develop into good ball players.

i thought i was going to see a eagles sb ring.

The title of the thread is "rings you don't see too often" not "rings you never have or never will see".

PS. I may be totally naive but I still haven't given up on Moss either. I think he shows flashes of a good wide receiver and just think he needs some more opportunities. He seemed to run better routes last year, and didn't really do the run backwards 3 yards before turning upfield thing.

I could see some aspects of the comparison but:

 

1. Moss had plenty of NFL talent to where his production should have been much better.

 

2. DHB has the size that Moss does not, he's got about 7" on Moss.

 

3. DHB was the focus of every defense week in and week out in college, Moss was not.

I know all of the things that played agaist DHB in college, no QB, run heavy etc. I am only basing my statement on the rundowns I read about him and his highlight videos I watched on you tube. As I watched I just got the feeling more and more that he was an all or nothing guy. I don't really see him making a tough catch in traffic and taking a hit when needed. I was actually surprised to see his size, because he didn't seem to play like a big guy on his highlights. You can definately tell he has a sprinters background.

Yes guys like Ron Dayne??? LOL

 

Rocky Thompson???

 

 

This guy might be the exception....I would take him- Darrius Heyward-Bey

 

Is he Ironhead's son? does anyone know?

That pick surprises me. He is an extremely raw player. I think he is one of the biggest project wide receivers that can go in the first round. He is mainly a deep threat with a lot of speed. Kind of like......wait for it............Sinorice Moss was.