Bigjeep

Your right, the day of the dynasties like the greenbay packers of the 60's [ the team I consider #1 ] Pittsburg of the 70's, Giants, of the 60's and 80's and others are over. As far as spending money for players, remember the Giants were never considered big spenders and would fall behind quickly having to bid big bucks for free agents. Look what Boston paid just for the rights to bargain for a baseball pitcher, 50 million dollars! do we want that in football?

I must add there is a lot of pressure on Eli trying to reach his brothers level. Maybe he is pressing to hard. At some point he has to realize that he just might not be able to make the plays his brother makes and play within himself. Who the hell can make those plays peyton makes. I have seen a lot of quartebacks, but this guy is the best. look how he has them undefeated with that defense. Every game depends on his arm.

I agree with you on the Eli thing, it is too soon to call him a bust. People were asking for Simms head after every lousy game. And I started watching the Giants back in 69'. Guess I am a baby fan too (check the Cowboy boards I guess the average age range is about what 18-25?). So I started to watch 6 years after their last championship appearance and 12 years before their first playoff appearance in 18 years (63-81). You guys want to see the definition of a lousy quarterback, look up Joe Pisarcik's name in Wikipedia. I had nightmares for a whole year seeing the Jet's former coach (Herman Edwards) running the ball back for a score on "The Fumble". And you know what McVay (coach of the Giants at that time) went on to be pretty successful in the Niner front office. Football is a game of longterm solutions to short term problems; almost like turning a bus.

But Opie definitely has to be put on notice that he cannot perform so abysmally and expect not to set down as punished and/or for the coaches to get in his face.

You make a lot of sense. Eli is not a bust. But with the price they payed for him, we deserve more. I just hope he doesn't turn into enough promise to keep him, but never delivers consistantly. that just keeps the Giants from moving on. Remember Collins. with Free agency, you can't build for the future anymore, as players are going to move on for money. The 1958 sudden death game made me into a huge Giants fan. My saying is, players come and go, but the Giants will always be here. I have seen a lot of players come and go. I don't get into much hero worship. With free agency and the cost of getting players, make the plays, or move on.

Michael Strahan had a pretty lousy rookie season too, where he hurt himself after his first NFL sack doing a golf swing celebration. That one worked out pretty good for us... let's give Moss some time.

I remember talk of strahan being a bust in his first two years.

Surely you can't be judging moss for being Injured. We might have to wait to next year to see what he's got, but thats the way the game goes.

When I mentioned free agency, I meant that you can make up losing draft picks with the system. I liked the old system better also. I grew up on Fairview Ave. between Bergen and Monticello. I hung out on Reed St. as a kid. It's a small world after all.

Danford ave, if that is the right spelling. Just down from Jackson ave. I'm going back into the 40's.

All the more reason that you should have patience with young QBs. All the more reason that you shouldn't care as to the few draft picks that we gave up for him, considering all the first round busts over the years and free agency that is now in the picture.

By the way, I also grew up in Jersey City. Watched a lot of Snyder High School games In the old Stadium now gone.

I am glad, since impressing you is what my goal in life is.

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Yes, that is a full time job, and not an easy one.

All the more reason that you should have patience with young QBs. All the more reason that you shouldn't care as to the few draft picks that we gave up for him, considering all the first round busts over the years and free agency that is now in the picture.

At my age, I don't have a lot of patience. Been waiting 16 years since the 1990 win thanks to hoss. Eli will be given lots of time considering what they gave up for him. I just hope he doesn't turn into another Kerry, showing just enough to hang around. But not enough to win. As far as Free agency, thats making the game less enjoyable as these players for sale travel from team to team.

See?....................and you thought I was a homer.

 

His performance this season hasn't been spectacular, but there isn't any reason to abandon all hope. The kid has the skills, he just has to grow a nutsack.

I am Impressed!!!! There's still hope for Eli, but that Bears game was his time to shine, and he stunk up the joint.

Since I was 5 years old around 1971, Ron Johnson was our RB. Most people were Dolphin, Vikings and Jet fans back then and Joe Namath was the talk of the town.

1971!!!! My god your a baby fan. Try 1958 sudden death overtime.

Agreed.

 

I have been very displeased with his performance lately. It's time for him to grow up and take the team on his shoulders.

Eli proved himself last year in the Denver game and most fans expect him to have some bad games also. Most logical people don't change their mind as much as the wind changes directions. There will be more bad games to come from Manning just like Tom Brady had 2 bad games.

 

Fair weather fans come a dime a dozen and they have no credibility. Real fans don't judge by a few games, we look at the whole picture.

How long have you been a real fan?

He was. Then he left and he's on another board now. He's back here sometimes under the name "drama".

I don't remember you being this stupid, eggy. Then again I smoke alot of pot.

Hello Fbomb, long time no see [ type ].

Well.......................there goes the neighborhood.

He's correct. A loss following the Bears debacle and this ship goes down for the count. Team Dissension is right around the corner. But we have to look at the bright side: it rids the organization of Tom Coughlin, problemo numero uno.

Sorry, no one is to blame but the Injuries. If not for the Injuries on defense, no one would have stopped us the way the D was playing. Its part of the Game.

you're a legend to me, smoo. maybe bigjeep wnts to change. let's give him some rope.

No reason for me to change. Some people just can't stand to hear a different opinion. Everyone most agree with them or they are DUMB. Well so far, the Eli doubters are the smart ones. This guy, so far just doesn't have it. Ordinary at best. And Chicago proved it. What better game for him to show his stuuf. And what did he show us. "0"

Well, Brady Quinn is available. We could probably get him for a 1st and 3rd rounder this year, 1st and 5th rounder next year. What do you think?

I like it.

Welcome bigjeep. And work on the grammar, son.

Yes, it wasn't my best effort.

Not true. You will have your ass handed to you certain people who are just assholes. I would hardly say SMU is a Sportswrath legend, and he even defends the GMB like it were his wife from time to time...why he is telling you to go back, I have no idea.

 

Welcome BigJeep, dont let the few assholes discourage you from posting here.

Sorry bigjeep they have about 50 posts and about 5000 replies that have already gone over this same territory. At Sportswrath, you can have your fucking ass handed to ya if you are not careful. Good Luck.

i think you should go back to GMB if you are going to be such a fucking moron

And my first thing on my mind is how could Eli play so badly in such a big game. I thought he was coming alone and might make the draft day trade look somewhat better. But after watching him sunday night, when the team with a badly damaged defense needed some big plays from him, look that bad. I think the Giants have to at least start looking at some Quarterbacks to draft next year as a insurance policy.