RaginCaucasian

Legree was dumped??? He could come right in and start for the Giants. Beside Clancy, he is better than anyone else at this moment.

 

Legree will always give 100% effort, unlike some other former first round slob. If they did sign Legree, #94 can be put on a log boat back to his homeland and end his miserable run here in the Meadowlands.................

Dude, we all know you hate Willaim Joseph but don't even begin to tell me that Lance Legree is head & shoulders above #94.... that's just blasphemous. Legree couldn't even be effective when asked to play in a rotation for the Jets.... how is he supposed to come in here & supplant a starting DT when even in his days as a Giant he was nothing more than a backup?? He's been given a chance to prove himself through multiple training camps & seasons with 2 different teams & he couldn't take the starting position from anyone on either team..... this subject needs to be dropped immediatley as it is summarily done & over.

Recently there has been a lot of negative sentiment directed towards William Joseph, with posters suggesting his performance in 2005 was problematic and that he needs to be replaced. So I decided to investigate this issue and provide a detailed examination of the Giants defensive performance with and without Joseph in 2005. Here are the results of my research...

 

Games With William Joseph

 

Arizona

@New Orleans

@San Diego

St. Louis

@Dallas

Denver

Washington

@San Francisco

Minnesota

 

Key Statistics

 

n = 9

 

Points Allowed Per Game: 18.6

 

Yards Allowed Per Game: 319.0

 

Rushing Yards Allowed Per Game: 114.0

 

Passing Yards Allowed Per Game: 205.0

 

Sacks Per Game: 2.6

 

Games Without William Joseph

 

Philadelphia

@Seattle

Dallas

@Philadelphia

Kansas City

@Washingtion

@Oakland

 

Key Statistics

 

n = 7

 

Points Allowed Per Game: 21.0

 

Yards Allowed Per Game: 338.4

 

Rushing Yards Allowed Per Game: 122.6

 

Passing Yards Allowed Per Game: 215.8

 

Sacks Per Game: 2.3

 

Conclusion

 

As the statistics indicate, the defense experienced a significant decline in production after Joseph was sidelined due to injury. By any objective measure, Joseph was a strong contributor to the defense when he was healthy, as evidenced by the drop-off in defensive output after he was injured. Therefore, those of you who suggest that Joseph was part of problem instead of being part of the solution are simply off base ... the defense performed better when he was in the line-up. Suffice to say, the methods employed by anyone who discredits William Joseph's play in 2005 are about as useful for evaluating defensive players as forks are for eating soup.

 

Discuss.

Thank you Money, too many here have allowed their blind hatred/racism to cloud the facts.

Pierce missing the final three games should be considered a major cause. Not only are you losing his physical play, but emotional.

And yet where did our defense start to give up game winning drives on the ground???? To which team??? Minnesota, after Joseph got hurt.... previous to that nobody ran on us in the last 1/2 of the game. Certianly not Washington & the ever-so-great Clinton Portis when Joseph was in the lineup.... we held them to under 30 yards rushing for the game!!! Not that your comments are that far left of the truth, losing Pierce (& the rest of our starting linebacking corps) during the streach run did hurt, you cannot discount what affect losing William Joseph had to our defense in the second half of this season. The numbers (unlike certian individuals in this forum) tell the truth, as Money has clearly shown losing William Joseph to injury clearly hurt our defense.

3'rd period, Ruccin from Pock & Ruchinsky.

Canes 2 - Rangers 1

Kirby Puckett, 44, dies day after suffering stroke

MINNEAPOLIS -- Kirby Puckett died Monday, a day after the Hall of Fame outfielder had a stroke at his Arizona home, a hospital spokeswoman said. He was 44.

 

Puckett died at St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix, Kimberly Lodge said. He had been in intensive care since having surgery at another hospital following his stroke Sunday morning.

 

Puckett carried the Twins to World Series titles in 1987 and 1991 before his career was cut short by glaucoma. His family, friends and former teammates gathered at the hospital throughout Monday.

 

The hospital said Puckett was given last rites and died in the afternoon.

 

"On behalf of Major League Baseball, I am terribly saddened by the sudden passing of Kirby Puckett," baseball commissioner Bud Selig said. "He was a Hall of Famer in every sense of the term.

 

"He played his entire career with the Twins and was an icon in Minnesota. But he was revered throughout the country and will be remembered wherever the game is played. Kirby was taken from us much too soon -- and too quickly," he said.

 

The buoyant, barrel-shaped Puckett broke into the majors in 1984 and had a career batting average of .318. Glaucoma forced the six-time Gold Glove center fielder and 10-time All-Star to retire when he went blind in his right eye.

 

"This is a sad day for the Minnesota Twins, Major League Baseball and baseball fans everywhere," Twins owner Carl Pohlad said.

RIP.

this is not funny at all...if Kerry was signed by the NYG's (hypothetical, and not likely) he would expose just how bad Eli is...

 

this would stir all kinds of QB controvsery and dig up that ridiculous draft day debacle...insert Kerry back in our system, with our improved WR's, O-Line and up and coming defense and we are a cake walk to the Bowl...

Just a thought but how much different is the "improved WR corps" from when Kerry left??

The recievers that you repeatedly bash are that much better just because Collins is back there?? How is that if to quote your repeated posts, "they give up on plays, make no effort to catch the ball & drop easy passes left & right", so exactly how is this "improved" reciever corps better with Collins under center?? There is only 1 different player amongst our recieveing corps since Kerry left (Burress) and you repeatedly flame him for being a "quitter" so how exactly is this group "improved" since Collins left??

You also forget that Kerry threw off his back foot so much that it made his passes very interceptable (is that even a word??) , he never went through his progressions, locking onto one reciever & never looking off. Collins also forced the ball in between 2 defenders to hit Toomer when there were several other options available if he had gone through the targets available.... not to mention what would happen if he was flushed from the pocket, did you fail to remember that he had a fumbling problem?

In the end the situation doesn't change much even if Collins were to come back to NY (which he won't) & get the chance to start (beit he or any other QB, they won't unless Eli gets hurt, which at this point as sad as you are you would probably wish injury on him), the problems with the offense won't go away they will just show themselves under a different face. Whereas with Eli there wasn't a propensity to fumble with Collins there is, with Eli & Kerry both you have the interception issue, while Kerry stands in the pocket & gets clobbered at least Eli has the atheletic ability to move (not Vick like but he's no Collins AKA a garbage truck with 4 flat tires).... in the end it's a pretty even trade, not much change would come from switching QB's.

Well played, I've got to admit if the Isles brought that kind of hard work to every game they wouldn't be in the mess that they are.

From all Rangers fans, thanks for denying the Devils the extra point.

Oh yes & bleed:

Again, it's almost as if the Rangers weren't one of the worst teams recently with the highest payroll...........Or did you just start watching again this year after years of embarrassment?????

Yes, they did stink for almost the entire last decade, I never denied that. But let me ask you a question, if they stunk that bad does it really matter how much money is spent??? They could have been the worst team in hockey & not spent a dime in which case they would have been criticized for not trying to help themselves... so exactly how much sense does that make??

The Rangers management certianly figured out how to get the best product on the ice after a hard salary cap was instituted, yes, they certianly did need a house cleaning in order to clean out the "dead wood" that could be attributed to the Dolan mistakes of just throwing money at the problem (see the Knicks).

Much of this I have to attribute to the new head coach, just like the Giants started to make smarter personell decisions after Coughlin became the coach... Renney got together with Sather & management and told them he'd keep the head coaching job but only if he could get his kind of guys & run things his way with no meddling from Dolan.

If only the Islanders were so lucky, unfortunatley there remains a conflict in interest as Milbury as the former coach/GM is now a lame duck in office.

I'm sure your response, if any, should contain at least a few references to past records in such but to ask you yet one more question, if during the past decade if the Rangers were so terrible then why is it that the Islanders never took a commanding lead in the regular season series during that time?

See that is where I lose my respect for Brashear. There is no reason for popping him in the face.

Pray tell, what was the reason for having him out on the ice with less than 2 minutes left & down by 5 goals??

In part I blame this on the Philadelphia management & coaches, all they ever try to do is re-live the "Broad Street Bullies" days of this franchise..... to bad the closest thing that they have to that sits 90 feet above the ice in a skybox every night (Bobby Clarke). The funny thing is listening to the game on the way home was that Don Lagreca said it best, "It figures that you'd have to expect this (Philly fans cheering Brashear's useless end of game antics) from the Flyers fans when 9 out of every 10 highlights they show here at the Wachovia Center is of a fight."

Nonetheless, great game by the Rangers (the Flyers defense falling apart had alot to do with it.... by the way is it just me or does it seem like the Flyers defensemen are really slow afoot, any team with decent speed seems to burn them), I really like the fact that the power play is clicking & the team seems to have not missed a step. Weekes looked good, hopefully he'll be able to give Henrik maybe 1 more game off before he has to get back in net (I think that Henrik will play against the Devils however it works out), anywho great game. Looking foward to more displays of hard work against the Devils, next time I'll be at the Garden will be against the Caps on the 16'th, til then it's on the tube.

Comfortable, eh, not that comfortable, Philly is hanging around, 3 points behind.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Sad when Islanders fans have to hope another team takes down a heated rival since they can't get it done.

I won't sit here and say that Pussy trade is working out.

Of course you can't..... because it isn't!! How's DiPietro doing???

W 19.0 | GAA 3.41 | SV% .891

Numbers that terible haven't been seen since Vince Young's Wonderlic test scores.

Yashin does remind me of another Pussy in NY, he is the current QB of the Giants,

Funny, Yashin has a proven track record of disappearing in the post season.... Eli has been there once, big-time difference.

but enought of that.

Good, it's settled..... the Islanders suck.

Before you start pounding your chest, let's see how they play in the upcoming playoffs, it is different hockey.

Yes, something your Islanders aparently couldn't adapt to...... oh yes, while the Rangers are in the playoffs the Islanders will be boning up on their golf skills. Simple slogan, "Got Playoffs??? We do!"

If Joseph came into camp in shape, I would hate to see him out of shape. His body was like a seal, blubbery and dark. I can guarantee, if Robbins is back and Clancy is re-signed, this will be the starting combo, without a doubt. There is no room for former first round picks giving 50% effort. After his pitiful performance in the playoff game, I question how he could ever show his big Haitian face again.

Big if concerning Robbins return & Clancy's resigning, however your repeated references to Hatians & wild animal references are disturbing.... was that how you came to be?

I won't go as far as to say, all the time

So then your statements are false.... great, it's setttled.

and am to busy to see who and when that was said,

the point is that he gets tossed about away from the play at least 99% of the time. He brings no positive energy to defend any play unless he happens to get pushed into an opportunity by the opposing player.

Oh great... statistics, did you want to do the math or should I? If he gets pushed around 99% of the time as you stated then the plays that he had a positive impact upon (28, which included 19 solo tackles, 5 assisted tackles, a fumble recovery & 3 passes defensed.) should account for the remaining 1% of his time on the field. That means he played 280 snaps in 10 games, I don't think he got on the field that much but if he did, he was more effective in the trained eyes (unlike your biased eyes) of the coaches than you think.... then again you are an amateur.

So please, choose any game you'd like. Watch every play he's out there. 99% of the time he is a non factor.Unfortunately the Fab Four can digest the big picture, not get hung up on false promises of one accidental play. I feel your frustration.

What frustration do you feel??? I don't feel any, I'm not an Islanders fan.

 

Have you forgotten those years, highest payroll, nothing to show for it...................Does this ring a bell, it was the past seven seasons.

 

You should read more closely, Nosebleed never conveyed Joseph being on his hands and knees all the time, Nosebleed reported that #94 is a complete waste, having no desire nor effort.

Oh yes, the Islanders produced so many great playoff performances within the last 7 years. How's that Yashin trade working out for you?? Still waiting to see anything from the #1 overall Rick DiPietro.... meanwhile the Rangers are comfortably in first in the division, who knows...... maybe in the Eastern Conference in a few weeks. When was the last time the Islanders were first in the division, the bicentennial??

Does this mean that I can equate DiPietro's performance in the Olympics to the play of Will Allen or Fred Robbins??? At least Joseph knew to show up in proper shape for camp, unlike Robbins who went to the Norman Hand school of off-season dieting. To lose your starting job because you got beaten out for it or injured is honorable, to lose it because you are a fat-ass is, much like your Islanders (& their fans who rest their collecive laurels on past achievements), pathetic.

You have the Carolina game on Tivo??? That was a disgraceful performance by that puke wearing #94, watch it tonight, enjoy.

You still haven't answered the question...... what game was it that Joseph was on his hands & knees all game long???

Besides I'd rather watch Giants football (no matter how bad) than a good Islanders loss (because let's face it folks.... that's all they do is lose) any day of the week.

Let's stick to the topic.

Great, let's see if you guys can tell me what game it was that Joseph was on his hands & knees all the time.... I await your response.

You have got it all wrong my friend. Clancy deserves better than that piece of Haitian trash laying next to him.

Islanders fans discussing sports knowledge........ I sense..... irony.

Please tell when in those game was Joseph on his hands and knees. I still have some of those game in my Tivo, and I really would like to see what you're seeing.

I have all of this season's games burned to DVD, I didn't see any time that Joseph was pancaked or run over... he might have been turned inside by a guard or tackle but when he did play he sustained his blocks allowing the LB's to flow to the ball. With one exception, the Chargers game.... then again nobody on the defensive line held their gaps or tackled well at all that game..... I would know, I was there.

And just cut the nonsense with the "Tuck Experiment", he lined up at the under tackle position a handful of times & didn't get a sack from that spot.... all of his sacks came from when he lined up outside at the traditional DE spot. At 265-270 lbs. he is way too light to play DT or NT (for the handful of times that we played the 3-4). As a matter of fact the only time one of our DE's lined up on the inside & was effective was during the 2'nd Dallas game when Osi lined up inside of Strahan who swapped sides & played LDE (they caused Pettiti to false start).

Besides Floyd, weren't you bashing the Giants for selecting Tuck & Webster due to their respective previous injuries???? The world only wonders what your response will include.

PS Floyd, in response to your statements in another thread you called Greisen "lost, running behind the play with arms flailing" at least a dozen times last off-season & you also sported a "Where there is a Will there is a completion." signature for 3 or 4 weeks this season, so drop it with the crap about never saying Will Allen stunk.

Weekes is starting for those who do not know

Against the Flyers, who have to play the Devils tonight & will be without Gagne for the next few weeks.... shouldn't be a problem & I think that Weekes is up to the task.

The Islanders need plenty of work. Yashin should be put on a raft and kicked out to sea, after he is beaten in the parking lot by angry fans who feel cheated.

 

DP resembles a fish out of water, flopping, arms waving...........sickening.

 

The entire team has a lifeless attitude about them.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

An Islanders fan.......

You truly are pathetic, just like your choice in hockey teams...... FISH STICKS!!!!!

Who the hell is James Dolan and what does he know about football

 

also i would hate to see the maras leave althouh wellinton already did

James Dolan has run two of the best franchises in sports into the ground since he took ownership of the Garden & the two teams that play there. The only thing that kept him from being strung up by a lynch mob in front of the Garden is the fact that Glen Sather & Tom Renney got their act together & told Dolan they would only continue in their positions if he took a more "hands off" approach & let them run the Rangers their way (Dolan's way would have been throwing rediculous amounts of money at the problem.... like the Knicks debacle).

AND HE DOESN'T KNOW DICK ABOUT FOOTBALL OR SPORTS, LET ALONE BUSINESS.

You guys do realize that the Giants were one of the 9 teams that DO NOT WANT to have increased shared revenue. The Jets, Giants, Eagles, Skins, Boys, Pats, Broncos, Texans and Panthers were the holdovers. Something tells me if the Giants are amongst those teams that want to keep revenue the way it is shared there is a surplus of cash that would help us compete greatly.

 

As far as the idea the Mara's(comical because the Tischs own 50% too )would not have enough coin to compete, keep in mind that the Mara family bought this franchise for 500 bucks and owns 1/2 that is estimated at close to 800 million bucks now. Something tells me that the Maras would have no problem getting funds with that type of equity. Keep in mind the future stadium deals.

 

Just a side note, you folks do realize how filthy stinking rich the Tisch family is right? Put it this way, they DONATE more money to charitable and non profit organizations on a yearly basis than most of us will EVER see in a year.

Just look at how much money the Tisch School of the Arts at NYU pulls in per year, BTW that's where Kate Mara attends school.

Nope - you are wrong again.

 

The good short yardage backs almost always get the yards. Bettis, Zack Crockett, Stephen Davis and Rudi are examples of backs that almost always get the short yardage, even with the defense KNOWING they will get the ball. Fact is, the bad ones like Ron Dayne don't get it, because they suck. Tiki was a better short yardage back than Jacobs. Blaming the plays called is what whiners do - winners get the yards and win - like the Steelers. If an offense cannot get a 3rd and 1 when the defense KNOWS the run is coming, they will not be a good team - just ask Parcells. The occasional pass to the TE is okay, but still the CHAMPIONSHIP teams can line-up and run it at you. The fact Jacobs couldn't get in against the pititful 49ers tells you he isn't very good - that's why he was available in the 4th round. Blaming the playcalling is making excuses for bad plays and bad execution, and shows a tendancy toward avoidance and delusion.

Yeah, Zach Crockett did such a great job against us in that Raiders game , what was it 3 tries from inside the 2??? Does that make him a good short yardage back or a mediocre one? The double standard will always apply with any of Lockspaz's replies.

I didn't hear full details about them. Are they serious, at all?

Rafalski played the other night, Elias has bruised ribs.

If I decide to organize another board-wide mock draft, I intend to privately contact the GMs who were the most dedicated/helpful last year, provide them with the opportunity to choose their team of preference, and then go public with the idea. Guys like barens, for example, deserve to choose instead of being subjected to a first-come first-serve set-up.

 

I've already decided that there will be no trading in the mock. Creates too much controversy and minimizes efficiency.

If you decide to go foward with this let me know, I'd like to be part of it.

4,737..... thanks.

Do you guys think we should get rid of Green, S. Alexander, W. Peterson, and Griesen (only because he's going to demand some more money after his play this year) I think we keep Brent Alexander (even though he's getting old), and I want to see more outta Adrian Awasom, Frank Walker, Eric Moore, Damane Duckett, and maybe even Chase Blackburn... what do you guys think? Not all of the at the same time, just more productivly (I know I spelled that wrong fuck you)

Barrett Green.... gone like the wind.

S. Alexander..... re-signed

W. Peterson...... can't cut the only esperienced corner on the team, besides he just signed an extension

Greisen............ can't let this guy get away, unless the Giants are trading up to get A.J. Hawk (who looks like Lattimer from "The Program" they better bring back this kid. He might not be the most talented guy but he is durable & has been the best player at that positon for the last 2-3 years.

Just my thoughts:

Free agency:

With no real premier, blue-chip offensive lineman I can't see the Giants looking to upgrade OLT long term via this route, another saftey to help out Gibril Wilson would be nice but we have to watch our wallets. Conversely there has been alot of speculation that the Giants will persue one of two linebackers in FA, Will Witherspoon all Giants fans got a first-hand look in the divisional round at how good he can be. Julian Peterson being the other possibility, I'm not as high on Peterson as some other people due to his torn Achilles tendon.

Draft:

Rd. 1 CB (Not really too sure, many choices & alot of question marks.... i.e. past injuries, slow speed, not-so-great cover skills.)

Rd. 2 OLB (Possibly Bobby Carpenter of OSU)

Rd. 3 OT (Here is where the Giants need to not have a "Jeff Hatch" type pick, whomever they select in this draft at OT will most likely be groomed to replace Pettigout down the road.)

Rd. 4 WR or LB (With an entire evening to look over their board & re-evaluate where they are & who is still available the Giants have to take the best player available at this point regardless of position, just my guess but I think it will either be a reliabe slot reciever or a LB as a backup for Pierce, let's also not forget that we haven't had the linebacker corps to run Lewis's favorite schemes from the 3-4, if we select a LB here he should be able to play the middle.)

Rd. 5 P (God I wish Jeff Feagles comes back for one more year, if not here is where we get his replacement.... hopefully no "Jonathan Markham" syndrome will befall our draft room crew at this point.)

Rd. 6 CB/KR (Although I like what Chad Morton has done I still think that taking Willie Ponder off the KO return team hurt us down the streach.)

Rd. 7 SS (For depth if we sign another saftey during FA.)