Mr. Webster

i love jload

he was so much fun to watch his fat ass run around in college.....i wish him well

is he signed any where.....i went to the game he was supposed to start when eli was gonna be out for 3 months with that shoulder injury lol

but eli played.....i was excited to get to see him but at the same time i was happy eli played

A 15 year old....are you fucking kidding me?

 

C. Wagon

The victim was 16, one year below the legal age of consent in New York, St. Lawrence said.

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Didnt he lead our team in sacks last yr? I dont think Osi had a subpar yr last yr, I think our D had a subpar yr.

yeah he lead in sacks....but he was also benched.....so i would have to think his play had something to do with that......being that he was put in on passing downs for the most part.....alls he had to do was pin his ears back and go after the qb...didnt have to think about the run really

which would mean kiwi would be out and osi in on obivous passing downs meaning more oppurtunities to get sacks for osi less for kiwi

this sucks poor guy.....

talk about the wrong place at the wrong time....yeah it was bad that he did what he did with a 16 year old girl.

but at the end of the day alls the guy did was pay for an escorte....which many many good men do everyday.....you excpect to get what you paid for what you paid for from the product....how was he to know she was 16 and a run away

now he is going down...the pimp is hte one that should be getting in trouble here but unfortunatly thats not how the law works....i would be intrested to see if this was ann advertised "escorte service" like the millions you see in the yellow pages

ok im gonna say it

osi is over rated

i really liked him till the stuff he pulled this year.........he made a name for himself off of one game against a rookie left tackle making his first start.....that was his best season....but six of those sacks came in one game....that was like half his sack total that whole season.

he has one move......if he doesnt beat u with that first quick outside move hes done.....he is terrible in run support as well........sounds like i think he is a terrible player....i dont....but i do think he is over rated............some fans consider this guy a top DE....far from it....he is an elite pass rusher maybe...but he is not a complete DE..........he wants to be treated and paid like a top 5 DE and he just isnt.

i dont know i really lost respect after he pulled that start me or i retire bs....i mean cmon dude......if you were confident in your ablity why would you have a problem EARNING the spot.

all that being said i hear all that teams were offering were like 5th round picks......i think if somebody threw a 3 at us it would ahve been a done deal

osi has alot to prove to himself the team the fans and the leauge this season.

I'm liking Fewell

as im i

dude preachign turnovers and getting to the ball.

we got some potential hawks back in our secondary....good things could come

Ahh, the whole offense looked like that back then. That was Eli dude.

 

Shockey gets all the venom for "throwing his hands up" after a miss which happened maybe 2-3 times, a couple seasons before he was traded, while Plax was doing the same damn thing. And it was LEGITIMATE; Eli was not seeing wide open receivers down field or throwing off-target. Everyone remembers Superbowl Eli not Mr Inconsistant.

 

Shockey was also training with the team in the last few seasons before the trade if I remember correctly.

i dont know man.......the way this offense is set up is it is a read and react......if eli sees something and shockey doesnt see it the same way it leads to the TE going one way while the QB is anticipating the TE to go another

it was pointed out by coaches that shockey was missing his reads....yes some of it was in accuracy on elis part but when you see throws five yards away while the WRs back is turned that is usually a mis read on either the QB or the recievers part.......8 out of 10 i would think it would be the WR running the wrong out route or check off route

shockey tried to pull the same shit in NO when bress missed him in a smiilar fashion.....difference was bress got in his face yelled at him in front of the camera and let him know whos offense it is and whos running the show.....somethign eli had trouble with early on

Come On! I can understand Shockey is no longer with the Giants and had an ugly divorce with the Giants as well.....but to say Shockey was not tough enough is not right. That SOB took some nasty hits! Anyone forget the number of times his helmet got knocked off but he would still be pounding away helmet less. He took some big time hits too and held on. Remember the first down catch against the Chargers? Not knocking on Boss, but barring his injuries because he played a little too hard, he was anyday a better TE than Boss is. Shockey was fucking tough and would not whine after big hits. It was the 'give-me-the-ball' and the shaking-of-the-head after a slightly wide throw that would piss people off, but he was one tough bastard!

he constently ran wrong routes and always seemed to miss the hot reads.

how many times did you see the ball thrown right while shockey turned left.........kept running on come backs.........i think our offense was a little to trick for him.

everybody thought including myself shockey would finaly live up to his rookie season after being traded to the saints.....guess what never happened and why is that??? well one hes never on the field as usual and two he tried to bull his ,little girly fits with bress and got bitched lol that was great lol

I dont' know...Shockey had 6 more catches then Boss...., 3 more total yards, ......had only three more first down catches.....but a lower yard per catch average then Boss....averaged a yard and a half less on YAC.... then there is Shock losing 5 of 7 fumbles..and Boss..not putting in on the ground at all....zip...nada.

 

I can't find a stat on drops..but I bet Shock wins that too....then you put up that Boss is twice the blocker and not a QB killer........and I think we got the better TE at this point. ....Boss on the ascent...Shockey on the decline..which is why he is in NO for mini camp....cause he might not be the best TE on Saints either. .

 

C. Wagon

word up.

i would have to say boss is way more of a clutch player also.......he always seems to come up with the big catch were as shockey would make a coastlly drop.

also as you mentioned the "team player" attitude and his character is far better then shocks.

if we are judging by madden ratings then yes shockey is better.....if we are talking about pure natrual ability yes shockey is better....if you are asking who i would rather go to battle with and trust on the field boss is the man for me

I was just kidding, but I'm sure you're right about Weatherspoon being a pro bowler before JPP.

i would have been fine with reaching at 15 for weatherspoon i thought he was the best fit for us since the start of the drafting process.........i think he will be more of a play maker then mcclain

why oh why didnt we trade down a few spots and grab him.......they say he could easly move to MLB in the NFL

JR screwed the poch on this one

Tight end Jeremy Shockey is committed to working out with his team in the offseason -- thanks in some part to the climate. In past years with the New York Giants, Shockey preferred to stay in his college town of Miami for most of the offseason. But last year he said he wanted to make a commitment to spend more time working with quarterback Drew Brees and the rest of his teammates. "You know, it's hard working out in New York when it's cold outside and you have to work indoors. It's great weather here, and I have no excuse not to be here," Shockey said.

what a punk....waaaaaaaaah it was to cold to practice in NY....what a girl......this is football your a football player....if you dont like playing in the elements maybe baseball or basketball would have better served him....maybe he should have took up bowling with how often he gets hurt.

i guess now he realizes wow maybe im not as good as i thought i was....maybe working out with the team with get me the ball more...hey maybe i'll even learn proper reads.

it only took this guy six years to get it......to little to late jermey boy....glad he isnt a giant anymore....i think he realizes the saints arent putting up with his crap.....they drafted a tight end and have a good one backing him up already (who did play better then shockey when called upon)....the writting is on the wall....i think this is shockeys last season to put up or shut up.....if he doesnt have a good year this season i can see the saints cutting his ass

Because that's what's been constantly reported since we hired Fewell.

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12924/giants-perryfewell-assembling-new-look-defense

not really what ive been hearing

quote for perry

"I want to be fundamentally sound. I want to be multiple in what we do. I want to attack. I want to be aggressive in what we do. I want our players to play fast and have fun playing the game. Definitely create turnovers; I believe you score on defense," Fewell said. "I think you have to be physically tough. We have to play with discipline and we have to play as a team on defense"

tampa 2 is not known to be an aggressive attacknig d.

i guess the key word in that article is a "version".........if we go to a zone covarge secondary our CBs will be medioca at best it was proven in the past they are not good in zone.....maybe the safties will play deep zone but i dont excpet to see the CBs in zone coverage much

also pls keep in mind it doesnt really matter what he ran last year....he has ran quite a few Ds in his time

he has also ran a 3-4 but we arent making that switch

Fewell dialed up blitzes and man-to-man coverages out of “single-high” (one safety) packages, which means his being categorized as strictly a “Tampa 2” (Cover-2) coach isn’t accurate. Posluszny agreed Fewell broke the Cover-2 mold on second and third downs

dup

I'm not happy with it either, but the one image I have of Wilkinson is him doing an admirable job covering Randy Moss. I think he'll fit in well in the Tampa-2 OLB rotation IF (that's a big 'if' ) he can remain healthy. I sure don't see any use for him inside.

 

As to Sintim we have no idea.

 

 

Yes.

why are all of you so convinced we are running a tampa 2????

i know fewell ran one in buffallo but he has also ran other Ds throughout his coaching days.

iver read he was keeping a simial scheme as to the one spags ran.

we do not have the personal to run a tampa 2...tamap two requires undersize line men and lbers......that are quick and nimble.....thats not what we have on our roster right now

are secondary is better in man covarge then zone....case in point webby was considered a bust in lewis' zonoe scheme in a man scheme he was considered one of the best in the game.

we are not set up to be a tampa two D

I was reading various articles around the net and came up with an interesting page called, "2010 All Un-Drafted Free Agents Defensive Team".

 

11 players were chosen and second on the list is Nate Collins who has signed with the Giants. Here's what it says:

 

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DT- Nate Collins, Nevada/New York

Giants

 

One of the most underrated Defensive Tackles in the nation, Collins was second in the NCAA , as a Defensive Tackle, in tackles overall to Ndamukong Suh. Collins was a good Defensive Tackle in both the pass and the run. The only things teams do not like about him is his smaller frame and shorter height".

 

link

 

Who knows...could end up being something special...you just never know.

good tidbit

I thought it was pretty clear, but I guess I should have been more explicit that I was making a comparative statement...as in, the technique is easy compared to other sports.

 

Thats why you never see baseball, hockey, basketball, or soccer players drafted based only on raw athletic ability. And guys that play hand-eye intensive games, racket sports, like tennis, have to train like its a full-time job beginning at a very young age to become elite by the time they're twenty. I love football. But compared to virtually every other sport - name an exception, I dare you - its not even remotely in the same class in terms of the hours you need to practice to become elite.

 

Maybe DHB and Troy Williamson are just too lazy to master the game. Or maybe they have naturally sub-par hand-eye coordination. I recall a bad shuttle time from at least one of them...indicating a guy with straight line speed but no quickness in and out of his breaks. And don't forget injuries. There are many reasons why those guys and other like them fail in the NFL that may have nothing to do with technique.

im gonna have to say your right to some degree.......some positions tho like you said are going to have to be embedded at an early age....like qb....got to get those habbits and technique down at an early age (ie tebow)......need to learn to plant the feet throw with your feet and not your arm so on and so forth.

also CB is another postion that relies heavely on technique.......you can get by in college on athletic ablity but if your not fluid in the hips and have the back pedle techniques down you will fail in the nfl

as for DE you are probably right u can get by on great ablity and so so technique

They're not having one LDE and three RDEs. I think it'll be Tuck & Kiwi left and Osi & JPP right, with Kiwi right when Tuck moves inside for passing stunts.

 

 

Sintim and Wilkinson (who's not needed in the MLB mix IMO)

 

 

Nah man, it's Ross, Webster, TT, Johnson unless Ross' hammy never healed.

 

 

Agreed. Can we do a 4-2-3 defense?

hope your right and sintim is ready to become the guy.....i think hes rdy...as for wilkinson.....i feel he is a little of a liablity out there.........hes been on the team for what 4 season now....coming out of college they said he was some what raw and gonna need a few years to get up to the nfl level of play (sound familiar).....not happy going in with wilks starting hope he proves me wrong.

sorry your right they will be moving from LDE to RDE didnt sound like that in my post but obviously i do not think tuck will be playing RDE all game on every down....maybe i should have spelt that one out better.

you really think Ross is gonna beat out TT??? he was agruably our best D player last season

I think you'll see a lot of Chad Jones in year one. He was listed as the number one strong safety in virtually every scouts handbook. Super speed, super hands, super instinct, and big enough and strong enough to play linebacker if needed. He played a lot of free safety at LSU, but he's best suited in the NFL as a strong safety. The Giants are not going to leave him on the practice squad or on the bench...especially considering the troubles we had last year at the safety position.

 

Even with Rolle and Grant on the Giants' payroll now, Jones is going to see a lot of playing time.

 

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I also expect to see plenty of Linval Joseph this coming season...especially in obvious run situations.

 

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I wouldn't be surprised if you see quite a bit of Dillard this year as well.

 

Regardless....time will tell. Injuries are a part of life and afterwards, no telling who will be stepping up. To simply blow it off by saying you don't see any of this year's draftees playing is not very realistic.

the chad jones pick gave me a semi.....and not just cuz im an LSU fan (among other college programs).......he has above avg skills in every aspect of his game that you look for in a saftey.....can run hit and cover...and as you said is big enough to play LB.....this should help us stop the run bringing this guy up to the box on running downs.......if all goes acorrding to plan and our d looks like the following we are good......starting line tuck, canty, coefeild (with joseph alford rotating in) osi (with kiwi and JPP rotating in) LBers Boley, omg who else besides boley lol we are in trouble here i guess golff in the middle and i dont know uhm who plays the other side lol this blows

ok so theres the problem lets move to the secondary

starting Webby, TT, and ross in the nickle, bruce johnson as the dime (wich i think as a shot and stealing the nickle spot from ross this season) our safties would be KP and rolle with Jones coming in and out (worst case it would be rolle and jones with grant subing still not terrible)

is seems for once the secondary my be the strong point of our team this year

i think you can get by with avg LBers if you have a very good line and above avg secondary....as long as the LBers stick to thier assignments we should be fine

sorry to ramble and go off topic not sure if any of that made sense

I dont know. Every thing Ive been reading about him says he's ahead of track. He's running already.

yes but he is not cutting

Sometimes it just makes me completely wonder what these team personnel people are thinking during draft day. During the press conference Reese was saying how they were so happy to get Dillard but they waited so long to do it. They wanted him so bad why didn't they draft him a round earlier? What if he had been drafted and then the Giants missed drafting him? Would they then just not draft a LB at all because they only wanted value picks? This type of thinking seems completely ludicrous to me. Anyway the whole draft seems like just a pure crap shoot anyway.

 

 

 

I tend to agree. Bad habits comeback because of poor training and by the time you are at the NFL level a lot of your bad habits are ingrained. It may not be so bad that JPP is very raw though.

agreed maybe its acutally a good thing in his case that he as so little experiance....these bad habits will be easier to fix (if there is any that is)....then say somebody like tebow who has been doing it since pop warner

I believe the Giants had McClain ranked higher...of course, it was a moot point because he was gone 7 picks before the Giants' pick.

 

Weatherspoon was the top outside linebacker in the draft, but wasn't considered a stud. McClain was the only real stud in the class of all linebackers. Sean Lee was up there if he still had knees. This was one of the deepest drafts in years, except for linebackers. I imagine the Giants had Weatherspoon ranked in the top 100, but I doubt he was ranked in their top 50.

weatherspoon might not have been rated as high....but i do feel he is the most complete LB coming out of the draft....he can run cover and hit.....Scouts are saying he would have no problem starting at ILB in the NFL....he has the smarts to go along with the ablity.

now this is just me saying this a guy behind a desk so what do i know.....just my opinion

i also think if we drafted McClain there would be some diappointed fans out there........is he the best lber coming out from day one yeah probably....he played in an nfl style d....but some of his weaknesses are the same we had for years.....not the fastest LB struggles side line to side line...but he hits like a truck and has been the QB of the D in college very smart in terms of football IQ.......good run stuffer struggles in man coverage (sounds like AP dosent it)....some scouts feel sabans schem helped mask soem of his short comings......he is gonna be a quality MLB no doubt about it....but i think he is far from being a stud...compared to some of the other MLB that have came out in recent years and made impacts as a rookie and i say he is a step below.

being that we would have grabbed him at 15 or higher i would imagine fans would have high expectation of this guy and would think he would become a ray lewis/Urlacher type that dominates games....i just dont see that out of him....he will be far from a bust but labling him a stud not so much

Not eleven starts, and not Florida State (FSU)....seven starts at South Florida (SFU). Not that this minor nitpick really helps the draft grade on picking JPP, lol.

 

I couldn't give a shit if he isn't even of average intellect; he's a defensive end, his analytic responsibilities don't have to go beyond, 'get after the guy with the ball.' What he doesn't have is a lick of technique. And here's where I commit football sacrilege and admit that football is the most technique-poor sport out there. Its true...I don't know of another sport where someone can start playing organized ball late in high school and be near the top of his sport inside five years. Thats why teams draft based on athletic ability - the techniques are not hard to master.

def have to disagree there....if that were true DHB and troy williamiams would be all pro WR.....vernon goloshton would not have busted......jerry rice wouldnt have been an all start

yes you can learn techniquest but it is far from "not hard to master".........esp when it comes to things such as hip movemnt and angles

if that were true phillip rivers would not be throwing side arm.......when develop bad habbits they are hard to over come....maybe in practice its easy but in the heat of battle that muscle memory comes back and instincts kick in

im not sure but ive read adrian wilson comparisons.

that i heard also i was talking about the guy your high on the DT

Of course that is impressive from the point of view of balance, strength, and coordination...but it takes more. His raw speed and jump off the ball is impressive from a football point of view. As far as the backflips go...I imagine it will be written into his contract that he never does another backflip as long as he is a Giant. Too damn risky. Nothing more stupid than tearing up a rotator cuff doing flips.

 

The beauty of going to the Giants is that we aren't in desparate need of a DE. Therefore, he can get schooled by the best in the business and slowly work his way into the lineup. He seemed to have a lot of problems academically, but even those who can't fathom calculus and biochemistry tend to learn well about things they find very interesting in their own field and I don't think playing DE is quite as hard to grasp as nuclear physics. He's going to be disruptive no matter what and hopefully, he turns out to be bigger, faster "Demarcus Ware on steroids" type of player.

ablity and potential...........thats really alls he has going for him........im not saying he is gonna bust because i really have no idea but he has every single red flag a player coming out of college could have

-question about his desire to play

-He only managed to start 11 games at FSU....it was his first year playing at a major program against top compettition....why did he only start 11 games??? in those 11 games he got 6 sacks...decent number BUT he was a top 15 pick...i would think a 15th pick would have had more then just 6 sacks (was he really drafted on potential alone cuz the stats werent there

-he switched schools twice......(2 JR colleges)......he had problems staying on the field because of his grades at every school except FSU (big program helping players in order to win perhaps?)

-his desiere to play is in question (biggerst of them all)

-it is said that he has trouble with stamina esp late in games (while this happens when you just started playing football 3 years ago)....this part scares me.....this is a volient sport that demands your body to be in the best condition possilby imaginable.......you need to start conditioning your body from a young age to perpare yourself for the vigors of the nfl

he has potential to be great 100 percent but he does hold every red flag imaginable that screams bust