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this is sad, we are comparing an undrafted QB to a #1 draft pick and their stats look similar after the undrafted QB started 5 games while the #1 pick has had 2 years starting. In fact we made ANOTHER team Superbowl contenders by what we gave up for this guy...and their stats now look similar...

Now is the time to revenge the ghosts of San Frans past....no more visions of last minute FG's that never were. Now is the time to crush the football life out of Jeff Garcia and his Egals. We can not give in to the "Backup Quarterback Syndrome"; as the G-men just accomplished against Weiner....they are backups for one reason. They are not good enough to be starters. So bring it on home boys and crush those E-gals.

This asshole is 3-0 against us I think...

Thunder and Blunder in '07.

I like that dude from San Diego...whats his name? ... Turner? Any chance we can get him?

The only thing the writer was wrong about was the timing of Kurt Warner getting benched for Eli. Eli needed the on-field experience. His comparisons of Rivers and Romo on this point don't mesh. The Chargers had a great QB, and Cowboys hoped they had one. Warner wasn't getting it done, but he wasn't helped by the O-line much that year either.

 

There WAS a bunch of people, myself included, that questioned if he was only taken as high as he was because of his last name. It wasn't a knock on Eli, but the fact was is that there was two other quarterbacks that were very highly regarded, that many scouts had even or slightly better than Manning. Particularly Rivers. He stepped it up at NC State in every big game, he was awesome. And at 72% completion, I remember posting these same points on the old Giants board before AND just after that draft. The guy I REALLY wanted the Giants to draft at the time was Sean Taylor, and for us to keep Kerry Collins. We had just been to the Superbowl a couple of years before, I figured Kerry just needed a little more help. The main point I made back then, and it stands today, is that Manning has to be CLEARLY and MEASURABLY better than both Rivers and Roethlisberger for the trade to be justifiable. They gave up A LOT to get him. The Chargers used OUR draft picks to draft Shawn Merriman and Nate Kaeding. If anyone thinks we would not be a better team, JUST RIGHT NOW, with Rivers at QB, Merriman at OLB, and Kaeding as our kicker, then they are a blind homer. I love the Giants, but that love of team should not prevent you from honest evaluation, and being able to criticize the moves the front office makes in a likewise honest fashion. I said it then, and will say it now, although I support our QB and hope that he surpasses his big brother, trading Rivers and those picks was one of the bigger mistakes the Giants have made. Today, with the current players and Merriman added, we would have a defense as good as the Bears, more than likely. And have a dynamite QB, that has already eclipsed single game passing marks of Manning in his first year. Yes, that's an overrated stat, but it is an indicator of Rivers' tremendous skill. I do see a lot of good things from Manning, but I also see wobbly and inaccurate passes a lot of the time, and an inability to progress through reads quickly. The latter is not just me talking, that has been Coughlin's criticism as well. No, I am not a Manning hater, I support him and honestly want him to prove me wrong in my belief that the team made a mistake in trading for him...

 

But so far he hasn't, and that's just the truth.

That was the key phrase in your argument and I completely agree.

Troll alert!

I give props to the coaching staff for giving it to Jacobs on third and one a few times today.

I take props from Jacobs for running like Ron Dayne the last three weeks.

Well I can't blame jacobs...Caroline knew what was coming and they were ready. I still don't understand some of these playcalling...its like they are thinking too much and are outsmarting themselves.

You ever do that...? On a test you get 4 answers and it is an easy question but you think its a trick question and just start thinking too much about it and then you pick the wrong answer when the most obvious answer is the right one....Huf seems to be that kind of a guy.

First off let me say, Randoff I really like you so realize I mean no disrespect in what I am going to say.

 

1)Eli has thrown a good deep ball since day 1. In fact unlike most young Qb;s he executes this function and the 2 minute drill well, those are 2 traits that normally a young QB does not do well. It's usually the opposite a young QB plays the short game and intermediate passing well and struggles with the long ball 2 minute offense, strangely it has been the opposite with Eli Manning.

 

2)That play in question ELI was under INTENSE pressure and made a good throw from a spot that was nowhere near easy to throw from, it was good for 45 yards, same with the Carter play and it should have been a pass int. He has a fine arm and this can be seen when the coaches utilize the play action and give him time to toss the ball deep.

 

CAN GIANTS FANS EVER BE HAPPY?????????????

Thanks for the info but I have no doubt about Eli's arm strength...I guess I should have stated that. I think he has a nice arm strength but yet seems to underthrown those kinds of passes...it was just weird to see that. There have been several games where the receiver if the ball was thrown maybe 5 yards in front of him was gone for a touchdown...he almost seems to underthrow on purpose...it seems weird to me is all.

Maybe its just me but there were two plays that I want to analyze...

That Plax 45 yarder down the sidelines...

That should have been a touchdown no? If Eli led Plax instead of underthrowing him wouldn't that have been a TD 9 out of 10?

That Carter pass which was a blatant pass interference but thats another story...again if Eli lead him instead of underthrowing him that would have been a TD, No?

So the question is why is he underthrowing these passes? Is Eli not that accurate or was that a concious decision...I've seen him do this several times over these games where he underthrows these passes when these could've been sure touchdowns. It seems to happen MOSTLY on the long passes...what gives?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6246654

New York Giants quarterback Eli Jones had a good day on Sunday, showing in his ninth career start why Giants coach Tom Coughlin has said he sees Jones as his quarterback of the future. Jones, the team's 2004 third-round draft pick, still needs some seasoning but is developing into a solid player.

If a quarterback named Eli Jones had graduated from Ole Miss three years ago, we'd probably be reading something like that right about now. But since his name is Eli Manning, and he had Pro Bowl quarterback Archie Manning for a father and future Hall of Famer Peyton Manning for an older brother, we have never had a chance to discuss Eli Manning rationally. Let's try to do that now, acknowledging that he never should have been the first pick in the draft, but also that he does have talent and could become a very good NFL quarterback some day.

Let's start with April 24, 2004, when Manning was so highly sought (and so financially secure) that he was in the virtually unprecedented position to demand that the San Diego Chargers, who owned the No. 1 overall pick, either pass on him or trade him. If a quarterback projected as a third-round pick had made such demands, teams would have laughed — and lowered him on their draft boards. The Chargers did take Manning first overall, but they traded him just an hour later to the Giants, who gave up a king's ransom of draft picks.

But why was Manning so well regarded that the Chargers knew they could receive a trade package worthy of the first overall pick? Nothing Manning did at Ole Miss justified him going ahead of Ben Roethlisberger (who displayed a vastly superior passing arm during his time at Miami of Ohio), or Philip Rivers (who had more experience than Manning after starting an NCAA-record 51 games at North Carolina State and was more accurate, completing an ACC-record 72 percent of his passes during his senior year).

Manning was the first overall pick because of his name. It defies credulity to suggest that a quarterback with Manning's credentials would have been the first overall pick, except that many scouts couldn't look past his pedigree and figured he was destined to follow in the footsteps of his father and brother.

Once the Giants got Manning into camp, they initially made the wise move of putting him behind an accomplished veteran, Kurt Warner, on the depth chart. But after a few games in which Warner failed to escape the opposing pass rush, coach Tom Coughlin made the Giants' second big mistake: He benched Warner. Manning shouldn't have started as a rookie. Few rookie quarterbacks are ready to start in the NFL, and the ones who can start in their first year are either much more polished passers (like Peyton) or surrounded by much better teams (like Roethlisberger). Quarterbacks who don't fall into those two categories would be much better off following the Tony Romo path, spending time on the bench learning before they actually play in a live game.

Once he got the starting job, it didn't take Manning long to show that he was not as good as Warner by any measure: Warner completed 62.8 percent of his passes in 2004; Manning completed 48.2 percent. Warner averaged 7.4 yards a pass; Manning averaged 5.3. Warner had six touchdowns and four interceptions; Manning had six touchdowns and nine interceptions. The Giants went 5-4 in the nine games Warner started; they went 1-6 in the seven games Manning started. Manning should have spent at least a full rookie season on the bench watching Warner, rather than starting ahead of him. Handing Manning the starting job sent him — and his teammates — the message that his status as a No. 1 overall pick was more important than Warner's status as the quarterback most likely to help the Giants win.

If Manning had been the Giants' third-round pick, he would have had time to learn the pro game from the sidelines, the practice field and the film room while Warner played. He also would have taken up a small portion of his team's salary cap and that money would have gone to building other parts of the team. Instead, the NFL's rookie salary structure guaranteed Manning $20 million before he had proven himself.

None of this is a criticism of Manning. It's not that he's a terrible player, it's just that he's an overpaid player who doesn't have the necessary skills to live up to the overly high expectations placed on him. He's not accurate enough, has only adequate arm strength, and isn't very athletic.

Some have suggested that New York is a bad place for Manning because of the intense media glare in the Big Apple, but a quarterback in any NFL city would face media scrutiny when his team traded a boatload of draft picks for him. The problem isn't the size of the market he plays in, the problem is that he hasn't been worth what the Giants gave up to get him.

Manning's career stats (a 54.2 percent completion rate, 49 touchdown passes, 41 interceptions and a passer rating of 73.4) are nothing special, and the truth is that he's not as good as his stats — with a supporting cast that includes running back Tiki Barber, wide receiver Plaxico Burress, tight end Jeremy Shockey, and, until he was injured a few weeks ago, left tackle Luke Petitgout, Manning has had much more support than other highly chosen quarterbacks like Joey Harrington, David Carr, Michael Vick and Alex Smith.

So where does Manning go from here? Much has been made about whether he has the intangibles and leadership qualities to be a top-flight quarterback, but I suspect that there is something more fundamental missing from his game: his conditioning isn't good enough. For a pocket passer who doesn't do much running, Manning often looks exhausted at the end of games, and this is the second straight season that he's started the year strong but faded down the stretch. No one questions whether Manning works hard enough in the film room, but perhaps he needs to work harder in the weight room.

Manning completed 24 of 36 passes for 270 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions in the Giants' biggest game of the year on Sunday. If his name were Eli Jones, I'd be writing this week about one of the league's bright young quarterbacks. Eli Manning might get that praise one day. If he does, it will be unlike that big rookie contract: He'll have earned it.

Great article imo.

ESPN link.

Let's ponder the coaching aspect of the Giants' epic collapse. Jersey/A led 21-0 and had possession of the ball with 13 minutes remaining at Long Playing Field. Then Eli Manning threw an interception -- but why were the Giants throwing with a 21-point lead in the fourth quarter? Manning didn't decide on his own to throw, the coaches radioed that call directly into Eli's helmet. Leading by 21 points in the fourth quarter, do nothing but run up the middle for no gain for the rest of the game, and victory seems likely. Tennessee scores to make it 21-7; the Giants go three-and-out, throwing an incomplete pass to stop the clock. Tennessee scores to make it 21-14; the Giants punt with 3:13 remaining, after throwing an incomplete pass to stop the clock. Tennessee scores to make it 21-21; Jersey/A has the ball on its own 28 with 32 seconds remaining and throws another interception. From the point at which the Giants had a 21-0 lead and possession of the ball with 13 minutes remaining, Coughlin and his staff called seven passing plays -- which is seven too many. The result was both interceptions and incompletions that stopped the clock in a game Tennessee won with a field goal with six ticks left. Maybe when you're ahead 21-0 in the fourth quarter you shouldn't be tossing the ball into the air? The final interception was particularly bad coaching because at that point Tennessee had just rallied to tie, and momentum had shifted. All the emotion and crowd noise was on the Titans' side; the field position and clock situation dictated kneeling and going to overtime, with the ensuing intermission creating some space for Tennessee to cool off. Instead Jersey/A's coaches put the ball in the air, offering the Titans victory. Manning didn't make that call. The Giants were seriously outcoached -- and afterward, the coach blamed his players.

Newark will not be a success. Not to hurt anyones feelings but blacks just don't enjoy the game of hockey, and who is mostly in Newark? Traffic will be horrendous and I wouldn't be suprised if the Devils have the lowest attendance rating in all of the NHL. This does not change the fact I love the Devils and I could care less about attendance, so I really don't understand why you Ranger fans keep bringing it up. Swept out of round one.

I wasn't talking about the blacks, its the rest of the fanbase which will have better access to watch the team. Like people from South and Central Jersey as well as Philly areas who can hop on a train to Newark Penn.

I really could not care less how many people go to Devils games. When I was in NJ it was good that they did nor sellout so I was albe to get tickets when I wanted to go. Now that I'm not going anyway it really makes no difference. I guess when all you have is the bad hockey the Rangers put on the ice you have to find something other than the hockey to be proud of.

The Newark move is the real test for the Devils. If the Devils still don't draw fans now there are no excuses. I can understand Continental Airlines Arena being so far away but Newark should be no excuse with all the mass transportations around.

Wow of all the teams in the playoffs, Buffalo has really impressed me...they look unbelievable. Fast, tenacious, they are my sleeper pick to win the cup.

We suck but what does that say about the team we just swept???

It says you never ever have beaten the Messier teams of the mid 90s, you know the ones with more playoff experience!...you only beat a young inexperienced Rangers team which ironically reminded me of the early 90s Devils teams prior to their successful cup runs. I give credit, Devils took full advantage of this Rangers squad...but I expected them to, but don't be all proud or anything...you were supposed to beat the Rangers...Rangers underachieved and from watching them all season and comparing the playoff games to the regular season team...this was not the same team that thrashed Ottawa 5-1 or destroyed Philly 6-2 or beat Buffalo or Carolina at their own game. Its a shame the Olympics had to happen otherwise who knows...

Good luck in the playoffs but I hope you guys are swept.

is equal to a retard talking physics.

and to follow a similar thought process...

is equal to a virgin talking about sex!

is equal to a Eagles fan talking about winning Super Bowls!

is equal to a Muslim talking about peace!

is equal to ....

Please, free to contribute...

 

damn that first video gave me the chills i can not wait for the season now

Yes sir, can't wait for the season to start....

Ouch. Can we play the Rangers again!!

Much different than playing a beat up tired Rangers team isn't it?

I am going to the game and the draft so I will start the thread early again

 

One shift at a time one period at a time one game at a time

 

Rangers in 7

Its about having faith and belief. Sometimes thats all it takes. The law of averages says the breaks have to start going the Rangers' way and I believe that Game 4 is the start of it.

Either win or lose, overall I see this season as a success and we have a bright future ahead of us.

Lets go Rangers!

Talk about a team having no confidence. WTF happened? I am really interested in knowing what happened the last 3 weeks of the regular season when this mess began. This is not the same Ranger team that thrashed Ottawa 5-1 or beat Philly 6-1...either the opponents adjusted or something is screwy.

Noone to screen Brodeur, no transition game, while the big guys on the opposing teams are screening Weekes and Lundqvist....this is so not Ranger hockey (when compared most of the regular season).

And how can this asshole (Ozolinsh) be so fucking bad? Does he play defense at all?? I have never seen player make so many mistakes in how own zone...maybe he should be a forward instead of playing a defenseman.

14, 12 different people took them

We are both wrong...its 16 penalties...horrible, I would say its the worst game the Rangers played this season.

Whats worse is losing Jagr...

Or it might actually wake them up and they might come together as a team...

12 penalties against won't win many games.

Bozo is benched. Kasper is back and so is Hank

Go Rangers

I changed my name back to BlessThisMess11 when I had it on the old board we where playing great hockey I hope that the name change will bring good luck heading into the playoffs. :worshippy:

If we lose, it will all be your fault.

This is terrible, the injury bug is hitting us at the wrong time... . We are limping into the playoffs.

One more win....Lets go Rangers....

Playoff tickets go on sale April 18th there are roughly about 1000. You have to line up at 33rd and 8th ave on the 17th and be one of the first 1000. Once the clock hits 1200 they are going to hand out bracelets too the first 1000 and you can go back the 18th at 9 am too pick up tickets. They are only in the 300 and 400 sections.

I guess it pays to be a season ticket holder. They get thiers on the 12th...tomorrow! :brooding: