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To get the average you take the 15 million add the 5 million bonus=20 million/5 years=4 million per year average.

I have to say I love that picture you got there. She's amazing!!!!!

Maybe we throw in some incentives for playing a full season,over 100 tackles, or making the pro bowl. Notice I said range could be a little more. But 4 million a year is a very fair deal. I won't go over 5 million thats for sure.

That contract averages 4 million a year. Thats not fair for a player who has had injury troubles in the past and hardly played last year? I think its plenty fair.

Barber was a pretty good player when he was in Philly. But needless to say it is relieving, to say the least, that he most likely will not end up in Philly now. Only team in the NFC East with a need at his position is now the G-men. In my oppinion we should sign Arrington to a fair deal. In the 5 year/15million range with a 5 million signing bonus.

By the way Money that video of Winslow is hilarious.

Yeah I was going to throw in the towel. But last I checked Tye Hill's stock is through the roof and his picture is all over NFL.com. Its funny there is no mention of Cromartie. I'm such an idiot. At this point I hope Hill is around at 25. We may have to trade up to get him at this point. Pizan we may not even have a chance at Hill at 25 but if he falls to us we better take him.

Yeah he's only 6-2 or 6-3. Not very good size for a TE.

Well if you watched the game. Explain how Moss won the matchup. He made one play in that game. It just so happened that one play was a TD. But what happened all the other times they were matched up? You say you are not judging Tye Hill on one play, but you really are. Because other than that one play, mention another play where Moss beat Hill(2 catches for 15 yards). Oh thats right you can't because he didn't make any other plays. As a corner, getting burned is going to happen. Its how they react after the play that concerns me. Obviously he reacted well considering he shut down Moss the rest of the time thay were matched up. The Senior Bowl is like a pro bowl i understand that. They weren't matched up the entire game. But as starters they probably went against each other on at least 15 plays and he only gave up 1 big play. I consider that a victory by the corner. The comment about not getting drafted was obviously a joke. But someone of your intelligence level obviously didn't get it. Obviously he will be drafted and be drafted in the 1st round. You would rather draft a player coming off a major injury, has limited starting experience, and has been dominated in the combine and I'm looking real stupid. Sure, I'm the dumb one. Honestly I could care less whether you believe me or not. During the combine today they were showing plays of a Senior Bowl one on one drill. And I thought you were talking about that play. If I was mistaken than so be it. But that doesn't change the fact that Hill would be the better choice at #25. Lets just say I'm extremely happy you are not the GM of the Giants.

Oh and I got the 40 time from NFL Network which was live at the combine. I believe they probably read it right off the official time board that is in front of them. So because Moss beat Hill on one play means that he won the matchup. Not exactly. Here are Hill's rankings as far as the combine events go: 40 time: 1st 4.30 Broad jump: 3rd 10ft 9" Vertical jump: 2nd 41" 3 cone drill: 1st 6.63 sec. Short Shuttle: 3rd 4.01 sec. Long Shuttle: 2nd 11.17 sec. Not a bad days work. Cromartie only ranked in 1 event and that was the broad jump where he finished 1st. Just for proof: Group 11 -- defensive backs 40-yard dash Tye Hill Clemson 4.30 Johnathan Joseph S. Carolina 4.31 Tim Jennings Georgia 4.32 Michael Huff Texas 4.34 (Notice 4.39 is on the list but no Cromartie.) Daniel Bullocks Nebraska 4.38 Willie Andrews Baylor 4.38 Antoine Bethea Howard 4.39 Jason Allen Tennessee 4.39 Kelly Jennings Miami (Fla.) 4.39 Broad jump Antonio Cromartie Florida St. 11-foot Jason Allen Tennessee 10-foot-11 Tye Hill Clemson 10-foot-9 Antoine Bethea Howard 10-foot-7 Reuben Houston Ga. Tech 10-foot-7 Michael Huff Texas 10-foot-5 Cedric Griffin Texas 10-foot-5 Darrell Brooks Arizona 10-foot-5 Vertical jump Reuben Houston Ga. Tech 41½ Tye Hill Clemson 41 Josh Lay Pittsburg 40½ Chris Harrell Penn St. 40½ Michael Huff Texas 40½ Kelly Jennings Miami (Fla.) 40 Jason Allen Tennessee 39½ Jahmile Addae W. Virginia 38½ Three-cone Tye Hill Clemson 6.63 Reed Doughty N. Colorado 6.66 Jason Allen Tennessee 6.75 Cedric Griffin Texas 6.84 Marcus Demps San Diego St 6.91 Daniel Bullocks Nebraska 6.91 Short shuttle Jason Allen Tennessee 3.81 Kelly Jennings Miami (Fla.) 4.00 Tye Hill Clemson 4.01 Darnell Bing USC 4.07 Marcus Demps San Diego St 4.09 Cedric Griffin Texas 4.10 Long shuttle Marcus Demps San Diego St. 11.10 Jason Allen Tennessee 11.17 Tye Hill Clemson 11.17 Daniel Bullocks Nebraska 11.22 Johnathan Joseph S. Carolina 11.23 Nuff said. Hill is obviously the better athlete. Has more experience. And is 100% healthy.

This is possible but I would want an extra second round pick to do it. Are there any teams with 2 2nd round picks?

Yeah Cromartie ran the 40 2 times. 1st time he ran a 4.49 second time he ran a 4.58. Those were the official times reported by NFL Network that was live at the combine. These times are not good and definetly not of the 1st round caliber. I'm with you on the over rating of the 40 time but this is just a lack of spped at that point. 4.58 is terrible for a corner. AJ Hawk ran a 4.62. The slow 40 times and the fact that he is coming off a major injury scares me. No way would I pick him in the 1st round. I was talking a play that they showed in the Senior Bowl drills. And I'm truely sorry if I made a mistake on the names. But the fact that you are judging Hill based on one play is laughable to me. And by the way Moss also runs a 4.32 40 and is also a very talented player. Checking Moss' stats in that game Moss had 3 catches for 45 yards and 1 TD. 30 yards came on that TD. So the rest of the time moss amassed 2 catches for 15 yards. WOW what utter domination of Tye Hill. Hill probably will now go undrafted because Moss burned him on one play. Get your head out of your A$$. Tye Hill placed very well in every event today. Not only can he run he has a 41" vertical. Na you what give me the slow guy thats coming off a serious injury that only started a handful of games on the College level. Good reasoning.

I didn't hear the report. But I will be extremely pissed if we draft him in the 1st. Maybe they are trading up in the 2nd round to get him. Only time will tell. They also told Greenway and other top 10 picks that they really want them but that doesn't mean we will trade away the farm to move up and get them. Of all the WR's I do like him the best. He is so explosive and he reminds me of Steve Smith. But we just need to much work on defense. If we sign a CB,OLB,and a safety in free agency then I'm all for this plan. I guess its possible but highly unlikely. Only time will tell.

He's a little on the short side though compared to Shockey and Gates. I think he'll be a good player. But I'm not ready to put him on the level of the Elites. I like him too. But he is definetly being over hyped at this point. He has his weak points just like any of the other players.

Giants would be more than happy to draft him in the second round. I'm sure they want him. I want him too. Just not in the 1st round.

I'll need proof of that because he is not on the list of top 40 times on NFL.com. That list goes up to 4.39 and Cromartie was not on the list. I watched the combine and I find it hard to believe that the official time and unofficial time could be off by 2 tenths of a second.

You are a complete moron. All Eli did in his 1st full season as a starter was throw for 3,700 yards 24 TDS 17 INTS and lead a top 5 offense to an 11-5 record, NFC East Title, and get us back to the playoffs for the first time since 2002. What more could you possibly ask of Eli at this point in his career?

You can say that about any position. What if Eli,Pierce,Shockey,Wilson were to get hurt. We'd be screwed. The injury arguement is no reason to draft a WR in the 1st few rounds. We are deep at WR. 2 quality starters and 2 quality backups in Taylor and Tyree(when resigned). We should sign a solid free agent WR and draft the best defensive player available in the 2nd round.

I'm not disagreeing with you on Davis. I think he will be good. But the over hyping is definetly annoying from the troll section.

Is this good or bad for the G-men? Anyone Know?

On ESPN news.

Moss is a guy that burns a lot of people. I wouldn't judge Hill based on that play. Remember Moss also had one of the best if not the best college QB prospect throwing to him in Cutler. Imagine how bad Cromartie would get burned by Moss with that 4.58 blazing 40 speed. Keep that in mind. Hill also has a 41 inch vertical jump.

Coming from a second rate football school(which is exactly what Maryland is) is the reason Davis' college numbers are so inflated. He was in an offense were he was the focal point. A school like Maryland doesn't have a large number of weapons. And like you said they were breaking in a new QB which means utilizing the TE more would make sense. But all in all this is not the reason I'm not as high on this kid as everyone else. Obviously his 4.38 straight away speed is impressive. But a 40 time doesn't make the player. A TE usually runs short to intermediate routes where lateral movement is very important. He placed last in the cone drill and put up a time comparable to most lineman. And in the gauntlet drill his hands weren't as good as some of the other TE's in the drill. This is why I'm not as high on him as others here are. I've seen film on him breaking tons of tackles in college. This type of thing will not occur nearly as often in the NFL. I'm not down on the guy nor am I suggesting teams look past him because of a 5-6 record(this statement was to show the state of the Maryland football program).I think he will be a good player. But I'm not ready to crown him the best TE prospect ever or the best TE to ever put on the pads. I just don't see how running a fast 40 can move a player up that many spots. The 40 time is so overated. The only positions I really consider this important for is CB's and WR's. Some team will draft him way to early or give up way to much to get him. And I for one am glad it won't be the Giants. Give me a proven player like Shockey any day of the week. And once again I know he was already a 1st round pick but lets keep our heads here and not make him into some kind of a super hero. He's a talent just like all the other players that will be selected in the 1st round. But a lock he is not. The hype machine is at it again.

I think you have a point there. They are a TE away from having a ridiculous offense. That would be scary. But their defense would still suck. Eagles also need Lbers and DL. The Eagles will need all their picks.

It could happen. Eagles haven't had much success trading up lately(McDougle&Andrews) and they aren't loaded with draft picks like they were the last few years.