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Spagnuolo has presided over two of the worst defenses in NFL history. His tenure as head coach of the Rams was a disaster too. I'm not putting all of that on him. The Saints and Giants had bad personnel those years and the Rams were a mess at the time but you'd like to think his ability as a coach would shine through and make things a little better than they were. I've heard and read he runs a complex scheme so maybe that's why you see so many highs and lows. If it's clicking it looks awesome, like our '07 run and the last couple of months to close out last season but there's been a lot of really rough patches when you look at the entire body of work. I'm not against him staying but if he doesn't it won't bother me. He isn't Dick Lebeau or Wade Phillips.

This has to be it, right? I don't like saying someone should lose their job they're people just like us but it's past time. Special teams has never been a strength and the roster is table scraps but three blocked kicks in a game can't happen when you actually show up against a good team and that winds up being the difference. I'm tired of watching other teams find kickers off the street that blast 50 yard field goals where anything over 45 for the Giants I have no confidence. We haven't had a punter worth a damn since Feagles and the return game has never been good. I know a lot of that falls at the feet of Reese but if we're making wholesale changes please make sure he leaves too.

Fat Riley

Nicks will have a nice year in Indy if he can stay healthy. Potentially a very big one depending how Wayne comes back from injury. I hope he does. Despite how the last two years went we owe our second Super Bowl in large part to him.

Hopefully Hankins will be ready to start contributing. If letting Joseph walk allows for a signing of Dietrich-Smith or another big o-lineman I'm more than ok with it.

Yeah, seems like a lot of money. I guess we'd have to see the details of the contract though in terms of what's guaranteed. He had 8.5 sacks combined the two years prior in what I'm assuming was a limited role so at least he can get to the qb a little bit

I was saying in the other thread that when We're statistically out of the playoffs we should bench Eli and see what Nassib has got.

I think getting Eli back to playing good football is more of a priority right now.

Nicks had a future on this team up until the offensive line turned into a catastrophe. Now it just doesn't make sense to keep him around when we could be improving the offensive line. It is unfortunate but this season killed the chances of keeping Nicks. There are other positions in serious need of improvement and depth.

yeah, it's nothing personal. Nicks has had a successful tenure here and we don't win the Super Bowl without him but we're one of the worst teams in the league now with numerous holes to fill and having Randle ready to ascend makes Nicks a luxury more than a necessity at this point. He'll get paid well by somebody still extremely young and he's a better all around receiver than Wallace, who's getting 10 million per.

 

Defences always jump routes or read QBs eyes. This is not some new phenomenon. The issue is that the WR is making the correct adjustment while Eli is not. On the first INT the defender played outside so the WR ran inside but Eli still threw it outside. On the Randle pick Jennings was standing on the route so Randle astutely runs up field where there is zero coverage; the safety was in the middle. If Eli dumps that down the sideline it's an easy TD. If Randle, a second year WR, can make the correct adjustment how can the franchise QB not? C'Mon Man.

Yeah, I was wondering what the hell Mike Mayock was talking about when he said the second pick was Randle's fault. Was he supposed to sit down where Jennings was? You're right on the first one as well. Maybe they need to simplify things a little bit until Eli can get it together because that was a very winnable game last night where I thought just about everybody made some meaningful contributions.

We need to take the best tackle available. If that includes trading out of our pick because we can get the guy we want a few picks later even better but we won't be competitive again until we fix the offensive line or at least attempt to.

 

You're right.....1 game back, with a 1-1 division record.

 

This team has to think as short-term as possible....not only winning a game, but putting together positive plays. They need to zone out and forget how shitty their record is, playoff chances etc. Just go out there and execute one play at a time.

Agreed. It's definitely at that point now. Winning the first quarter on Sunday would be a start. I don't think they've even accomplished that yet this season. I really need to see a win, especially against the Eagles at home. This is my Super Bowl until further notice.

I have a feeling they take Nicks from us

Yeah, me too. Played college ball there and with Smith near the end it's a really sensible fit. As for Beason, it seems like we're just throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks at this point. Hopefully they come in with a real plan at the position for next season because this patchwork effort we have now isn't going to cut it anymore without a pass rush.

Great Giant but this is probably it for him.

I've always been a big Nicks supporter and have chided some on this board for not appreciating what a special player he is. Said he was more important to sign than Cruz, in fact.

 

So I am hugely disappointed that he's a shell of the guy I was talking about. No burst, no explosion, no steel clamp hands. This changes the whole equation we thought we were looking at in terms of his next contract - for both the team and the player. Forget anything like 4 years, $40M.....how about a 1 year deal at $5M? Unless there's dramatic improvement over the next 12 games, can't see anybody offering more.......and maybe it's worth a roll of the dice that it takes a full season to fully recover from the injuries and he'll be back to the 80 catch, 1200 yards, 12 TD guy next year. Remember, he's still young - younger than Cruz, in fact!

I think he's a luxury at this point and with what we're dealing with, one we probably can't afford. I think a team like Carolina with Smith getting older could offer more than we're capable of giving him. We'll see though we may have more cap room than we expect. I'm going to be watching these games now to see who still gives a fuck and who doesn't and Coughlin and Reese are probably doing the same.

A New Head coach would want his own "people" , no?

Yeah, I didn't need to add the "or not".

Gilbride is not the problem. It's offensive line... You can do much when everyone knows you can't run the ball.

Oh it's definitely a personnel issue. Our talent stinks. But not making the playoffs in what will be 4 out of the last 5 seasons i'd think they're going to make some changes even if they're superficial.

If this season ends the way we're all expecting I can't envision a scenario where Gilbride or Fewell come back, Coughlin or not. Coughlin has earned the right to go out on his own terms and Reese will get the chance to try and fix this but it would be a near impossible sell to bring the coordinators back the way things are going.

Eli gets a pass because he played out of his mind good in the SB46 run, and pretty damn good in SB42. The o-line being absolute vomit adds to that as well.

His entire 2011 start to finish was pretty incredible, really. He's having a horrible season though. It's clear he's not getting any help whatsoever from his line and outside of Cruz the play of the wide receivers and tight ends has been spotty but he's not making things any easier on himself. No one is writing him off and the team will certainly give it another go and try to rebuild this thing around him but he's playing like shit right now.

I have a hard time blaming Eli when he's not getting much help. Nicks has just been disappointing so far and he's got plenty of company on that list. One month down, three more to go and when that first win comes is anyone's guess at this point.

 

Lets see what happens after this season and how Jerry Reese responds to it.

If you can get a decent pick for Nicks from a team needing help you'd have to consider it. Its not anything against him. It's where we're at right now and the likelihood of re-signing him. Too many holes and we can make do with just Cruz and Randle.

I remember after the first championship the following season teams began to employ three step drops and quick routes to help neutralize our pass rush. I'd hope after last week Coughlin, Gilbride and the rest of the staff recognize that we can't run our offense right now. We have a quarterback and great receivers they need to find a way to get something going.

 

 

I agree with letting guys walks instead of overpaying them. We need offensive linemen, linebackers, and - can't believe I'm saying this - maybe defensive ends.

I think we definitely need defensive ends. Tuck is on his farewell tour and while Pierre-Paul isn't 100% and probably wouldn't be playing right now if we had the luxury to do that, he still has a lot to prove in order for the team to commit to him beyond 2014.

Yeah, this will be a long season and one hell of a long offseason. Reese has his work cut out for him. To make matters worse we don't exactly have a good cap situation. It will definitely be an audition for a lot of these guys. Also, I know this is a bit premature but I think we can forget about re-signing Nicks. There is no possible way we can commit that much money to two receivers with the amount of holes this team has.

For all the shit David Wilson has taken this year so far, I thought he tried the hardest to make something out of the shit he was given today.

He ran hard, and for a speed guy he was finishing his runs with good power toward the end. He's going to be a difference maker. We might not see it this year with our clusterfuck of a line but it will happen for him.

Yep. Window is closed on this group and it's time for a rebuild. It happens. Pittsburgh is going through the same exact thing and their recent run of sustained success mirrors ours pretty closely. Hopefully we see some development from the players who will be staying but it's not going to be fun.

Our offensive line is the weakest, making our defense so bad...the defense is on the field most of the game.

Agreed. The defense stinks, but I kinda knew that coming into the season so my expectations were low to begin with. I did expect the offense to be productive. The only thing this team has right now is some flashy receivers and a back with potential and that doesn't mean shit if you can't get them the ball. We're looking at a near total rebuild and save for a few I'm not penciling in anyone beyond this season unless things change.