BigPete

One thing about Fewell's system is that we obviously intend on playing a two gap anchor up front.

Perhaps the biggest upgrade to MLB this offseason is the drafting of Linval Joseph in round 2 of the draft. This means smaller more athletic MLBs are certainly an option. Whereas previously we needed a bigger, more physical MLB to can take on blockers and make plays, with the Anchor up front, the MLB should be free og blockers allowing them to flow to the play rather than fighting through traffic. Which is a good fit for guys like Wilkinson, Kehl and Dillard.

There will really tough competition in training camp at MLB, whoever wins the job will have earned it and should do fine. remember competition brings out the best in players and our MLB battle will be particularly fierce with a lot of legitimate contenders

What's the 3 technique? And what other techniques are there?

 

Educate me for two reasons.. one I wanna know.. and two I want to lecture my friends on football.. say like... I'm trying to be BigPete... in downtown Brooklyn

Hopefully this clears it up somewhat

3-technique DT

 

A 3-technique tackle lines up between the offensive guard and tackle (. A 3-technique tackle is supposed to run through his gap immediately. He is a 1-gap player. His job is not to block or get tied up in a block, but rather to be athletic and get himself into the offensive backfield and disrupt their plans. Because of this a 3-technique tackle is a lighter more athletic guy than a nose tackle, typically weighing more like 290 to 300 pounds.

 

In a one gap scheme, the defensive tackle is supposed to tackle the running back if he comes in the tackle's gap. On a passing play, the tackle is supposed to get into the quarterback's area and screw up the play, possibly tackling the quarterback for a sack. So you expect tackles in a one gap scheme to tackle the runner and sack the quarterback more often.

 

If you want to be especially good at rushing the passer you'll find four relatively athletic, perhaps somewhat smaller defensive linemen and line them up in a 1 gap scheme. Now you will have at least three gaps unprotected, so it's important in this scheme that you have three very solid linebackers who can cover these gaps.

 

 

Nose Tackles (also known as 1 technique)

 

Nose tackles are two-gap players, and are typically very big and very strong men, usually 350 pounds or more and 6'5" or taller. These guys have the responsibility of clogging up the entire center of the field, of keeping the center and at least one guard busy, and thereby protecting their middle linebacker. The nose tackle will also be responsible in passing plays to push the center back towards the quarterback so that the quarterback cannot step up in the pocket and evade the rush of the defensive ends. A good nose tackle can be hit simultaneously by 650 pounds of center and guard and will not budge as much as one inch.

 

In a two gap scheme, the tackles are supposed to control the linemen, thus making sure that no one is blocking the linebackers behind them and the linebackers are then free to make the play and tackle the runner. So in a two gap scheme, you don't expect the defensive tackles to have a large number of sacks or tackles. They are doing their job if the linebackers have a lot of sacks and tackles.

 

 

from http://football.calsci.com/Positions8.html

It is interesting the different style of MLBs needed with each style. With a big anchor at DT, we can use a smaller more mobile kind of MLB.

a Good example from a little while ago are when the Bucs had McFarland and Sapp at DT. Sapp played the 3-technique, whilst McFarland played NT.

As far as other techniques, there is the 4 technique which is like the 3 technique, but lined up on the OTs shoulder rather than the OGs shoulder. There is also the 5 technique which is used by many 3-4 DE systems.

What is with this sudden idea that Cofield has somehow fallen out of favor with the front office? Why, because we drafted a tackle to replace Freddy Robbins and have Canty on the roster? Cmon. You have no idea how the front office feels about Cofield. He's the incumbent starter (and will be the starter when the season starts) and the DT pick in the draft and John Henderson interest has got to do much more with having question marks at the other DT position.

Perhaps the idea that Cofield has fallen out with the front office is because of the fact that he was almost traded on draft day to the Saints for a day 2 or 3 draft pick.

The only reason it fell through was because the Saints couldn't get a reasonable contract extension with Cofield done.

The Giants aren't going to give him away, but he is certainly available at the right price. To think that Cofield remains in the Giants long term plans is a little short sighted in my opinion

I think there are a couple of factors at work here

Firstly the Giants are reasonably comfortable the young veteran LBs already on the roster. Remember we don't know for sure how Fewell's system will work. A big anchor up front will be a huge factor, keeping blockers off our MLB, allowing them to flow to the play.

The Giants do want to upgrade MLB, but after McClain was gone, there was a huge drop off. Dillard was in the 2nd tier and he will be in the mix to start.

The Giants will look to bring in another MLB, but it will depend on who is available and at what price. It is very clear we aren't going to reach or over pay.

Someone like Bobby Carpenter may shake loose, or we could trade for a veteran such as AJ Hawk, Derrick Johnson or someone similar.

The long term MLB option may be in next year's draft class, which is pretty talented and has alot of depth; remember Reese likes to build through the draft.

These are the some of the better prospects next year (many of whom are better fits for our system than Rolando McClain):

• Greg Jones ILB Michigan State (6-1, 224, 4.59)
  
• Quan Sturdivant ILB North Carolina (6-2, 232, 4.56)
  
• Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU (6-3, 239, 4.64)
  
• Mike Mohamed ILB California (6-3, 237, 4.75)
  
• Don'ta Hightower ILB Alabama (6-4, 250, 4.74)*
  
• Chris Galippo ILB Southern California (6-2, 250, 4.74)*
  
• Korey Williams ILB Southern Mississippi (6-2, 234, 4.65)*
  

plus there are OLBs who could possibly move to the middle in Fewell's scheme

• Mark Herzlich OLB Boston College (6-4, 238, 4.68)
  
• Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma (6-2, 232, 4.53)*
  
• Akeem Ayers OLB UCLA (6-4, 252, 4.68)*
  

*denotes underclassmen

I really hope the Giants sign Henderson

The front office don't seem that enamoured with Cofield and Linval Joseph is raw.

Whilst Henderson is not the player he used to be, he is still a very good run stuffer.

I would really like to see a rotation of Henderson and Joseph at NT, providing that anchor role.

I also think Henderson could be a very good mentor to Linval Joseph.

let's not forget it was Coughlin who originally drafted him

Cofield is likely available for trade, but if there is no takers or value he will likely stick for a year.

A rotation of Canty , Cofield and Alford at the 3 technique spot would also be very useful. The competition and depth will help bring out the best, in whoever hits the field. It also gives us important depth considering Canty, Cofield and Alford have had problems with injuries.

so now that that is all done, what exactly do they do? their explanation isn't making sense to me.

what it means is for the THR vs feature, The team from the huddle report will make a mock of picks of who they would pick for the Giants at that the same selections the Giants pick in the actual draft.

These will be then used as a comparison in later years to see how the guys the Giants draft compare with the players the the huddlereport team would have drafted.

149 Giants v 90 Lions

just a matter of hours until 11:59 tonight cst when the poll closes

we are in a very strong position

when's the last day?

the poll cloes 11:59pm cst on Sat 17th

Giants 136, Lions 90

Giants - 122

Detroit - 88

fantastic!!

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Should be a big lead tomorrow. I dislike that place but if they are good for one thing, it's voting for their favorite team. I also voted again from my cell phone. So if anyone can vote twice through their cell phone network, do so.

I think so too

We are in the lead with 93 vs the Lions 88

It is really awesome to see all the help from Giants fans

We tied with the Lions now, 88 each!

Giants 81, Lions 88

You might want to go to BBI and do this. You will get the votes there.

Thanks for the heads up

I don't normally use bbi, but I will ask

Giants 70, Lions 88

Giants 64, Lions 87

closing certainly

we have made up 19 spots since yesterday and the Poll doesn't close until Sat

Giants 61 Lions 87

I think the front office is looking to upgrade TE

fristly Beckum is more of a H-Back, I could see him taking some reps from Hedgecock in various formations.

two players I wouldn't be suprised to draft is either

Anthony McCoy - we need a good blocking TE and Reese likes USC guys

or Jermaine Gresham

Gresham adds a complete all round TE and a whole new dimension to our offense. Gresham is a better talent than shockey and considerably upgrades our passing and running offense. He will make guys like Smith, Nicks, Jacobs etc better.

Boss has been solid at TE, but I think he would excel as a #2 TE

The added bonus is that we can likely trade down and get Gresham

I know most people want a MLB, but I think McClain is off the table and we can either get a guy like Sean Lee in the 2nd round or even trade back into the first round to get Weatherspoon.

just my thoughts

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What he said. Gmen only have 46 votes though.

at the start of today the Giants had just 36 and the Lions 80

a few hours later the Giants have 47 and the Lions 84, so we are certainly gaining.

The poll doesn't close until Saturday, so there is time

All we need is Giants fans to vote, doesn't take long

Thanks again to everyone who is helping

Done.

That is greatly appreciated

thank you

The Huddle Report does a feature where they select an NFL team and make selected at the same point of the draft and review these choices in future years.

The Giants are currently in second for this. Is it possible for Giants fans to drop by briefly and vote for the Giants?

http://thehuddlereport.com/Free/thrvs.shtml

In my opinion, Osi just wasn't motivated last year. The main reason for this is money. Osi is seeing what Julius Peppers, DeMarcus Ware, Albert Hayneswoth, Jared Allen and co are getting as he wants his pay day too. But Osi knows that isn't going to happen with the Giants, particularly after his (and the entire defenses) poor performance. I also thought there would be lingering issues beneath the surface between Osi and the front office with his antics last year. It seems to me now that Osi wants out.

Reese is saying he wants him, but that may be to maximize his trade value (much like what happened with Shockey). Osi's demand seems to be a sign of what will happen, he wants to be guaranteed to be the starter and is threatening to retire. Well there is no way he is going to be simply handed a starting gig after how he and the rest of the team performed. Osi is going to have to earn it like almost everyone else (although he certainly is the front runner). That is just how Coughlin and the Giants do football.

Frankly considering the pathetic performance of our defense that is how it should be, particularly when you have someone like Kiwanuka in competition. Kiwanuka may not be in the same class as Osi as an edge rusher, but he puts in 100% and doesn't quit; plus he isn't afraid to mix it up in the trenches. I believe Osi should have confidence that he can work hard in the offseason and beat out Kiwanuka, instead he makes demands to start with the threat of retirement.

I think this is rapidly heading towards the point of no return. I think Osi will be traded. I don't see Coughlin, Reese or Fewell as the kind of people that will tolerate players holding them to ransom. Also it is well known the Giants do their business quietly behind the scenes, not in public the way Osi has.

I wouldn't be surprised if Osi's attitude combined with his (and the Dline's) close frienship with Wauffle were major contributing factors to our poor performance up front.

I can easily see 3-4 teams like New England, San Diego, San Fransisco, Miami, Cleveland, Kansas City, Denver, NY Jets and Arizona

plus 4-3 teams like St Louis, Indianapolis, Tennessee and Jacksonville all being very interested in Osi

All of these need a legitimate pass rusher and with the limited number of free agents, Osi will be in demand. I would be surprised if Osi is still on the roster after the draft.

All that remains to be seen is what we can get in return. I imagine something around a 2nd and 5th seems right. But there could also be player for player trades in the mix, particularly with all the restricted free agents this year.

here is an article which may give a little insight into what we can expect from Fewel

from http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/fewell_fits_bill_for_jints_KywMDnJwJSidLwOocPGibL

Fewell fits Bill for Giants

Giants Blog

 

By PAUL SCHWARTZ

 

Last Updated: 6:08 AM, January 16, 2010

 

 

Here is a warning for the Giants now that Perry Fewell is running the defense: You do something dumb, watch out.

 

"If you get out there and consistently make mistakes, he's going to blow up," Bills safety George Wilson told The Post. "He doesn't like repetitive mistakes. He doesn't like silly mistakes. Hitting a guy out of bounds and getting a penalty. I saw that happen in one of our games this year -- he just went berserk.

 

"We're battling for field position, the guy was a veteran guy, Drayton Florence, and he should have known better, and Perry just chewed [him] out. Sometimes as players we need that. Perry does a good job of knowing when to get in your face and when to step back and do some positive reinforcement. He does a good job of doing a balancing act."

 

Fewell, 47, brings that act to the Giants after he was hired Thursday as the team's new defensive coordinator, replacing Bill Sheridan, who was fired after one miserable season. As so often is the case in these situations, the newcomer is lauded as being so very different from the coach he replaces.

 

Sheridan was reserved and studious. Fewell -- the defensive coordinator in Buffalo the past four years -- is described as emotional and inspiring, though he calls the game from the quiet of the press box rather than the tumult of the sideline.

 

"He's an upbeat guy. He's a very optimistic guy, doesn't try to find the bad in everything," said Wilson, who completed his fifth year with the Bills. "You can talk to him about football, you can talk to him about life. The guys respect him the in the locker room, and at the end of the day, that's what you have to have as a coach. They will battle for him and lay their bodies on the line for him.

 

"He's definitely a fiery guy that you can tell he has a passion for the game, that he wishes he could get out there and play. He always talks to us, refers back to '79. He may see somebody make a good play and he'll joke around and say, 'Ah, man, I could do that back in '79.' I have a lot of love for Perry."

 

Fewell was a defensive back at Lenoir-Rhyne in North Carolina. He was part of coach Tom Coughlin's staff for five years in Jacksonville; if Coughlin trusts him to run the deteriorated Giants defense you know Fewell's work ethic cannot be questioned.

 

This past November, Fewell received an unexpected promotion when he was named interim head coach following Dick Jauron's firing. The Bills went 3-4 in their last seven games --three of the losses were by seven or fewer points -- and Fewell grew in the job.

 

"He was put into a tough spot, having to step in for his friend, Coach Jauron," Wilson said. "One thing about Perry, from the first time he addressed the team, the first time he stepped before us, he took ownership of the team. He changed the expectations. I think it was a great experience for him. I know the guys in our locker room rallied behind him."

 

Fewell worked with Lovie Smith with the Rams and Bears in the Tampa Two defense that favored zone coverage, but Wilson says Fewell's nature is to scheme aggressively with a single-high safety and plenty of pressure.

 

"He definitely likes to get after the quarterback," Wilson said. "We had a lot of interceptions. We made progress in sacks. He's definitely an aggressive coordinator. He'll try to get a feel for what the offense is trying to do in the first drive of the game, and then he'll make an adjustment. He'll get a feel for the game and he'll start to dial 'em up."

The one glaring position to me seems to be safety, our coverage deep is poor; CC Brown may be adequate as a backup SS and special teamer, but he is a liability in coverage.

The the trade deadline just around the corner, I wouldn't mind Reese looking at viable trade options.

two guys I wouldn't mind making a play for are Michael Huff (Raiders) and Jarrad Page (Chiefs); but there are likely others as well

One thing is certain, our deep coverage could derail what could be a very good playoff run.

I know it would likely cost a draft pick, but we are pretty set at most positions

any thoughts?