Whelp, it's time to talk quarterbacks.

[Mr. P]

“Looks like Jake Plummer” doesn’t make me want to draft someone. 

[BlueInCanada]

1 hour ago, Mr. P said:

“Looks like Jake Plummer” doesn’t make me want to draft someone. 

Yeah the guy is the poster boy for most average QB to ever play.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

2 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

I'm seeing the same thing.  He's another guy that would need some work but might be a nice bargain. 

Sure... you can find bargains in the second hand shop...

[gmenroc]

Some of those receivers my mom could likely have thrown to.  Some of the competition at CB was lacking at best.

Running head first es no bueno.  Slide baby, slide.

Can't tell if he is staring down receivers or not.  If he is, that alone kicks him to 2nd or 3rd round for me.  Jones did that shit and defenses ate him alive, mocked him for it, and still ate him up cause he could not fix it.

That said, there is definite touch on his passes.  He is accurate.  He keeps his eyes downfield when pocket starts to break down.

Trading up from 3rd into late 2nd...maybe.

[mastershake]

Dart's interesting. I like the idea of drafting a 2nd or 3rd rounder QB in theory, if we're not going in the 1st. I just hate watching highlight reels to judge players though, especially QBs.

What I tend to value most is how the QB plays when under pressure (i.e. when the team is counting on them), when they're in a tough/shit/crucial situation, and how they handle themselves, especially when they're being tasked with putting the team on their shoulders; not just composure but do they tend to come away making a positive play. Related, how many drives/sets of downs do they have where their offense goes nowhere, mainly due to QB play (e.g. check their 3rd down passing). Additionally, I also try to look at how much of the work their receivers are doing for them (e.g. the Texas system lends itself to lots of short passes and receiver YAC, one of the reasons I'm not sold on Ewers).

[Virginia Giant]

On 12/19/2024 at 1:47 PM, Sephiroth said:

Starting to become a little intrigued by Jaxson Dart.  Kid reminds me a lot of Jake Plummer.  Not worth a high 1st but maybe a 2nd I think. 

 

I like him.  Top 5, I dunno.  But I think he's the guy that shoots up draft boards in the closing weeks.  I have not watched a ton, but he looks good based on what I did see.  

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

4 hours ago, gmenroc said:

Some of those receivers my mom could likely have thrown to.  Some of the competition at CB was lacking at best.

Running head first es no bueno.  Slide baby, slide.

Can't tell if he is staring down receivers or not.  If he is, that alone kicks him to 2nd or 3rd round for me.  Jones did that shit and defenses ate him alive, mocked him for it, and still ate him up cause he could not fix it.

That said, there is definite touch on his passes.  He is accurate.  He keeps his eyes downfield when pocket starts to break down.

Trading up from 3rd into late 2nd...maybe.

 

4 hours ago, gmenroc said:

Some of those receivers my mom could likely have thrown to.  Some of the competition at CB was lacking at best.

Running head first es no bueno.  Slide baby, slide.

Can't tell if he is staring down receivers or not.  If he is, that alone kicks him to 2nd or 3rd round for me.  Jones did that shit and defenses ate him alive, mocked him for it, and still ate him up cause he could not fix it.

That said, there is definite touch on his passes.  He is accurate.  He keeps his eyes downfield when pocket starts to break down.

Trading up from 3rd into late 2nd...maybe.

 

4 hours ago, mastershake said:

Dart's interesting. I like the idea of drafting a 2nd or 3rd rounder QB in theory, if we're not going in the 1st. I just hate watching highlight reels to judge players though, especially QBs.

What I tend to value most is how the QB plays when under pressure (i.e. when the team is counting on them), when they're in a tough/shit/crucial situation, and how they handle themselves, especially when they're being tasked with putting the team on their shoulders; not just composure but do they tend to come away making a positive play. Related, how many drives/sets of downs do they have where their offense goes nowhere, mainly due to QB play (e.g. check their 3rd down passing). Additionally, I also try to look at how much of the work their receivers are doing for them (e.g. the Texas system lends itself to lots of short passes and receiver YAC, one of the reasons I'm not sold on Ewers).

 

18 minutes ago, Virginia Giant said:

I like him.  Top 5, I dunno.  But I think he's the guy that shoots up draft boards in the closing weeks.  I have not watched a ton, but he looks good based on what I did see.  

Good appraissal of him.  I like the fact that he stares downfield and has a feel for the pocket collapsing around him.  He is too quick to run and should SLIDE...SLIDE AND SLIDE again.  No head first runs for a QB.

[Virginia Giant]

10 minutes ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said:

 

 

 

Good appraissal of him.  I like the fact that he stares downfield and has a feel for the pocket collapsing around him.  He is too quick to run and should SLIDE...SLIDE AND SLIDE again.  No head first runs for a QB.

There is just something a little, deliberate about him.  I can't place it.  At times it looks like his release is long/slow, and other times that looks fine, but it just seems to take him a long time to throw.  But I'm not football analyst, he just seems like things unwind a little slower for him. 

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

4 hours ago, Virginia Giant said:

There is just something a little, deliberate about him.  I can't place it.  At times it looks like his release is long/slow, and other times that looks fine, but it just seems to take him a long time to throw.  But I'm not football analyst, he just seems like things unwind a little slower for him. 

I saw that as well.  The college game is not as fast as the pros.  Maybe that can be trained into him.  Unlike DJ I think he has the fundamentals and as a second or third round pick hugging the pine, carrying a state sheet or an iPad... following up behind a veteran.  

[Iceman_NYG]

I was intrigued about this kid for a while. I think we can go travis hunter 1st round and Dart will be available at the top of the 2nd. Maybe even third depending on what happens over the next 4-5 months.

[Iceman_NYG]

Atleast someone like Dart will have Nabers and Hunter to throw to and Banks will have a complement on the other side.

[gmenroc]

Do you play Hunter offense or defense?

[mastershake]

In this 2nd-3rd round QB draft scenario, I'd still bring in Justin Fields on a 2 year,$20-25M deal.

[BlueInCanada]

2 hours ago, gmenroc said:

Do you play Hunter offense or defense?

A premium DB is worth more than a good WR.

I think he takes a Devon Heater route, plays defense but returns kics/punts and has a handful of plays on offense.

[Sephiroth]

2 hours ago, mastershake said:

In this 2nd-3rd round QB draft scenario, I'd still bring in Justin Fields on a 2 year,$20-25M deal.

I like this as well. Bring in someone that still has potential while the young kid develops. Hell, maybe Fields finally gets it together and we can trade him for a high pick when the youngster is ready to take the reigns. 

I think the success of multi-team castoffs like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield has shown that sometimes it just takes these guys a bit to figure it all out and the right situation.

[CrazedDogs]

33 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

I like this as well. Bring in someone that still has potential while the young kid develops. Hell, maybe Fields finally gets it together and we can trade him for a high pick when the youngster is ready to take the reigns. 

I think the success of multi-team castoffs like Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield has shown that sometimes it just takes these guys a bit to figure it all out and the right situation.

It’s a good thing Eli won in 2007, because we probably would’ve given up before 2011.

[BlueInCanada]

8 hours ago, mastershake said:

In this 2nd-3rd round QB draft scenario, I'd still bring in Justin Fields on a 2 year,$20-25M deal.

I doubt he signs for anything less than 20 million a year minimum. 

Sportstrac and OTC have him around 26 million avg annual next season.

Which is what teams are paying for middle of the road QBs.

Or in the Giants case a practice squad backup not on their team lol 

[Iceman_NYG]

What about Trey Lance? Hell bring in Kaepernick! TRADE DOWN AND GET A BOATLOAD OF PICKS AND DRAFT CAPITAL

[CrazedDogs]

5 hours ago, Iceman_NYG said:

What about Trey Lance? Hell bring in Kaepernick! TRADE DOWN AND GET A BOATLOAD OF PICKS AND DRAFT CAPITAL

Imagine the team SF could have if they hadn’t blown all those resources on Lance. 
 

and that’s the model for what to do if we blow this pick. Obviously not the guy? Move on now, not six years later.

[BlueInCanada]

7 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

Imagine the team SF could have if they hadn’t blown all those resources on Lance. 
 

and that’s the model for what to do if we blow this pick. Obviously not the guy? Move on now, not six years later.

At the same time they don't pick Lance maybe it shakes up the draft and they never get Purdy.

Who knows how things would of went down. 

[Sephiroth]

On 12/24/2024 at 7:58 AM, CrazedDogs said:

Imagine the team SF could have if they hadn’t blown all those resources on Lance. 
 

and that’s the model for what to do if we blow this pick. Obviously not the guy? Move on now, not six years later.

 

22 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

At the same time they don't pick Lance maybe it shakes up the draft and they never get Purdy.

Who knows how things would of went down. 

Pats did this model this year... drafted Maye and still took Milton. Way small sample size but people were saying Milton was the better QB in camp this year. 

I'd love if the Giants did something similar and actually took the QB position seriously.

[Mr. P]

 

 

 

 

I didn’t realize Shurmer was the OC there. 

[Sephiroth]

What the fuck is he supposed to say, "no they'll both suck?"

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

1 hour ago, Mr. P said:

 

 

 

 

I didn’t realize Shurmer was the OC there. 

Wow small world...his word is pretty much garbage in NY I would say...

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

25 minutes ago, Sephiroth said:

What the fuck is he supposed to say, "no they'll both suck?"

True... just not a paper of record.