Sephiroth Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 I watched the game replay tonight just to focus on my boy Evan Neal. I had him down for the following: 3 pressures allowed, 1 QB hit 1 sack 1 whiff in the run game Are those great numbers? No. But are they embarrassing? Also no. He had quite a few dominant reps as well, especially in the run game where he just fucking destroyed his man. He's improving; there's something there to work with. I still think he can be a really good Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 This... Giants QB's have to have a plan when scrambling or when things break down. The current crop of offensive linemen have absolutely no idea on where a Giants QB will be if the line blocks effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Don't worry we won't sign him to any extension and he'll go onto a pro bowl career elsewhere. It's the Giants way afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Thanks for the analysis Seph. I hope he continues to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 Good that he is improving. My only worry is, the current OL coach we have seems to be fantastic and if Mara decides to clean house at the end of the season, will he end up being collateral damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, Mr. P said: He would be much better at guard, covered up on the outside. The Guard had to save his ass... hilarious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 Yeah haven't looked at the film yet but it looks like he turned back into Evan Neal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 There's no way Schoen survives this offseason. Two top ten picks in one draft, very little contribution from either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 54 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: There's no way Schoen survives this offseason. Two top ten picks in one draft, very little contribution from either of them. You are right. I am with Seph... Neal is so misplaced at Tackle instead of Guard that I wince at just seeing him line up. This is such an easy fix but egos will destroy Schoen and I would care fuck all what Neal wants. He states he wants to stay at Tackle and continue to be the human turnstile. Any offensive line coach would make a career lasting three years by putting Neal inside and getting a half way decent Tackle to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted November 29 Author Share Posted November 29 1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said: There's no way Schoen survives this offseason. Two top ten picks in one draft, very little contribution from either of them. Banks sucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 38 minutes ago, Sephiroth said: Banks sucks too. Whole fucking team sucks. Dex is hurt. Thomas on IR. Nabers is ready to leave the fucking team. Just blow it the fuck up and hope we can get the next MCDC. Need more MCDC in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 Just pay Nabers and tell him this is the NFL man and not college. Boot up and go out there and practice. Grow a pair of alligator arms and drop all of those contested balls and preserve the body for next year and a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 9 hours ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said: Just pay Nabers and tell him this is the NFL man and not college. Boot up and go out there and practice. Grow a pair of alligator arms and drop all of those contested balls and preserve the body for next year and a better QB. I think it's just the next generation of college skill players. They have NIL deals now and have the world thrown at them when they are 18. Go to some team that looses only 2 games a year while making millions. Then they get drafted to a team that has DJ and DiVito throwing to you. You seen the same thing with some of these younger WRs now as well. It's just the norm now and I fucking hate it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 10 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: I think it's just the next generation of college skill players. They have NIL deals now and have the world thrown at them when they are 18. Go to some team that looses only 2 games a year while making millions. Then they get drafted to a team that has DJ and DiVito throwing to you. You seen the same thing with some of these younger WRs now as well. It's just the norm now and I fucking hate it lol Yeah its the social media generation so to speak. I tell my oldest at 23 who is going to be an MD and lawyer to shut the fuck up all of the time. Instrinsic knowledge does not equal wisdom and years being on this Earth. I have to remind her that I have forgotten more than she knows now. College boy like Nabers need a strong and steady hand. I would get this kind of push back from low to mid 20's graduate students all of the time. Stuff I would not get from the 35 year plus audience at all. In Europe, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand there is a lack of appreciation for age and time on this Earth from the 20 something set. We just have to hammer them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 Yep...these young adults (I fucking loathe when people call them "kids") are 6 years old, they are already winning at a high rate. Knowing how to lose gracefully and learn from a loss is completely unknown to most of these guys. Hey, now that I think about it....maybe that is what they saw in Jones? He was an accomplished loser who looked like Eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 5 minutes ago, gmenroc said: Yep...these young adults (I fucking loathe when people call them "kids") are 6 years old, they are already winning at a high rate. Knowing how to lose gracefully and learn from a loss is completely unknown to most of these guys. Hey, now that I think about it....maybe that is what they saw in Jones? He was an accomplished loser who looked like Eli? This and this bro... I was faced with it all of the time as a graduate professor and I rejected it. I would hammer them with low grades until they turned around and then I would reward them. It made my life so much easier. The problem with a lot of mature people is that older more mature people make the mistake of being nice. Forget that... hate and/or dislike me all you want... yet you will satisfy my and the course requirements. Full Stop. Too bad oh so sad. You will go forth as you should or face the consequences. My mortgage... taxes and other bills are still going to be paid regardless of your feelings concerning me. Too many mature people care too much instead of laying down the law as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted November 30 Share Posted November 30 The discussion about Schoen's future must be had. What exactly is the saving grace to keep the guy? It's certainly not his drafts or FA decisions. The team is a mess, even before the injuries. Secondary? Mess. DL? Overrated outside Lawrence, and Burns is on pace to be the 8-9 sack guy we knew he was yet is grossly paid like he's Nick Bosa or TJ Watt (not a bad player, but not worth $30M). OL? Missed on all his draft picks including JMS who looks like a bust (6 sacks in 12 games). Run defense? Abysmal. We all knew Nabers was a talent; that wasn't some secret Schoen uncovered. Even with a healthy AT, Lawrence, plus hitting on guys like Tracy and Nubin, Phillips (okay so far), outside that, there's not much else to build around on this team. And we're years away from developing a QB (Sanders and Ward won't be good right away in season 1). The only thing saving this guy's neck is a) Daniel Jones possibly being forced on him, and b) Mara's would be embarrassed to can another GM and therefore coach too. The team will be a 10 loss team next year at this rate (unless they somehow get someone like Darnold, and some other big changes (replace the center and sure up the RT position), which Schoen isn't bold enough to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 His only shot is that this draft looks good after the first round. I don’t know if it’s enough honestly. I can live with one more shot but I’m not going to be outraged if he gets fired. The 2 pick 1st round looks like a complete disaster draft and while Neal looked like a sure thing at the time, the thibideaux miss deserves max criticism. Nabers is good but I expect my gm to pick a starter at worst every single year in the top half of the first round and I don’t give him much credit if he does. It’s frustrating because he’s prioritizing the right positions but missing on the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 Thibs is undersized for his position. That may work in college. He is the right size for a LB but not a DE. He gets pushed around and/or sealed off consistently out there. He needs opposite side help with a guy who is a force at getting to the QB and Burns is not it consistently. Offenses can block him one and one... two on one and he disappears totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 9 hours ago, TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt said: Thibs is undersized for his position. That may work in college. He is the right size for a LB but not a DE. He gets pushed around and/or sealed off consistently out there. He needs opposite side help with a guy who is a force at getting to the QB and Burns is not it consistently. Offenses can block him one and one... two on one and he disappears totally. True. He was never going to be an anchor on the DL, in the mold of Tuck or Strahan. He's a pass rush LB who needs 3-4 good DL next to him to eat up blocks and push around the OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 And he was falling that year too. I remember he was #1 on a lot of earlier mocks and fell every week as we approached draft day. Its not a Neal situation where everybody thought he was a can’t miss top end starter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 27 minutes ago, mastershake said: True. He was never going to be an anchor on the DL, in the mold of Tuck or Strahan. He's a pass rush LB who needs 3-4 good DL next to him to eat up blocks and push around the OL. Exactly bro... Strahan, Tuck, Osi spoiled us. As they were killers one on one and ate up two blockers when double teamed. Thus freeing up someone to kill the QB or RB. Thibs is a down rushing outside linebacker in the LT mode. Unfortunately we are not existing in the 80's or early 90's where outside linebackers were blocked at first by RBs then TEs finally offensive tackles. Thibs is best at 240-255 (outside linebacker weight) and struggles against superior oline talent. We see so much being informed fans. We are not tied into a sunk cost fallacy like a lot of NFL coaches and players. Thibs would be effective if there were two rushers in the mold of Dex, keep burns and let them ball out. Thibs would have to use his speed and finally develop a second consistent second move. He would never overpower a dedicated oline tackle who would just consistently bury him. His one and only hope is speed to the QB. Also this leaves him out of position for draws, play action and RB's bouncing the ball inside. Dex covers up a lot of his errors. It is one reason why our linebackers are now getting eaten alive because Thibs is in front of them. I will be glad when we move beyond him as a steady player. Maybe sitiuational playing on sure passing downs. We need a well rounded coach in the Parcells, Fassell, Coughlin or Belichick mold who can see the whole field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted December 1 Share Posted December 1 2 minutes ago, Herc said: And he was falling that year too. I remember he was #1 on a lot of earlier mocks and fell every week as we approached draft day. Its not a Neal situation where everybody thought he was a can’t miss top end starter This is true as well Herc... oh to have the DL of 2007 to 2012... monster lines. We went from a 3-4 to a 4-3 because the DL became our strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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