Garrett Nussmeier

[Sephiroth]

Been hoping this guy falls to us but actually nevermind.

[CrazedDogs]

Oh. He’s an idiot.

[mastershake]

Cam Ward is the guy.

[mastershake]

20 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

Been hoping this guy falls to us but actually nevermind.

I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a complete whacko and nut, yet he's a HOF QB, so proclivity to God or Christianity shouldn't be a factor when deciding on a player IMO.

[Sephiroth]

4 hours ago, mastershake said:

Cam Ward is the guy.

I haven't dipped into his film yet too much, but my guess is 1. we won't have the draft capital to get him, and 2. I don't know... there's something weird about his throwing motion and arm strength.  Watching Caleb Williams I thought all his improv/sidearm shit would work in the league, but Cam Ward's doesn't seem to have the same velocity, accuracy, or zip.  

Again though, I'm basing this off of like six minutes of video. 

3 hours ago, mastershake said:

I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a complete whacko and nut, yet he's a HOF QB, so proclivity to God or Christianity shouldn't be a factor when deciding on a player IMO.

Yeah, but look at how many teams that guy has broken up and how many jobs he's costed. 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being religious but the second Azir Hakeem Muhammad doesn't want to join your prayer circle there's suddenly feel bads.  

[BronxRik]

I keep saying it and I'll keep saying it until it happens: 

Arch Manning is the guy. 

The Giants are going to pull the same plan they did before we got his his uncle. There's a reason Stafford rumors are flying around...he'd be the Giants' 2024 version of Kurt Warner. Then things will fall into place where they'll work out a deal to get Manning. It's gonna happen. Everyone will be pissed we didn't get a QB in the '25 draft, but trust me, greatness is coming back where it belongs. 

[CrazedDogs]

10 hours ago, mastershake said:

I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a complete whacko and nut, yet he's a HOF QB, so proclivity to God or Christianity shouldn't be a factor when deciding on a player IMO.

Oh I don’t care that he’s religious. I say he’s an idiot because he thinks his football career is of cosmic importance.

[mastershake]

19 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

I haven't dipped into his film yet too much, but my guess is 1. we won't have the draft capital to get him, and 2. I don't know... there's something weird about his throwing motion and arm strength.  Watching Caleb Williams I thought all his improv/sidearm shit would work in the league, but Cam Ward's doesn't seem to have the same velocity, accuracy, or zip.  

Again though, I'm basing this off of like six minutes of video. 

Yeah, but look at how many teams that guy has broken up and how many jobs he's costed. 

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with being religious but the second Azir Hakeem Muhammad doesn't want to join your prayer circle there's suddenly feel bads.  

Dude, Tom Brady was afraid of Tomatoes and Strawberries, and Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat, and Kevin Durant is bonkers off the rails. What matters is if they can put it together on the field, not their oddness off the field. Harrison Butker is a right wing nut, but he's a good kicker.

[BlueInCanada]

Just now, mastershake said:

Dude, Tom Brady was afraid of Tomatoes and Strawberries, and Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat, and Kevin Durant is bonkers off the rails. What matters is if they can put it together on the field, not their oddness off the field.

Remember the media with Caleb Williams and his painted nails.

lol 

[Sephiroth]

30 minutes ago, mastershake said:

Dude, Tom Brady was afraid of Tomatoes and Strawberries, and Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat, and Kevin Durant is bonkers off the rails. What matters is if they can put it together on the field, not their oddness off the field. Harrison Butker is a right wing nut, but he's a good kicker.

I get what you're saying, but I think the difference is that your QB is the leader of your team.  People who aren't Christians don't want Jesus shoved down their throats every pre-game ritual.  The only guy off the top of my head I can think of that made it work was Kurt Warner, and even he toned it down in the second half of his career.  Wearing your religion on your sleeve like that can be really divisive. 

Plus, like CD said... these players that think that God really gives a fuck about their football careers are pretty delusional. 

If you're Tom Brady, you can shit in a bag and eat it... you're Tom Fucking Brady.  Nussmeier is a borderline first-round pick right now with one year as a college starter under his belt;  he's nobody.  Brady didn't start with the weird shit until after he had four rings; Nussmeier needs to shut the fuck up and win games and then MAYBE think about going full Tebow. 

 

[Iceman_NYG]

I dont even know why religion needs to be mixed into sports. There was this incidence in cricket as well when Pakistan beat India and the Pakistani commentator went nuts saying it is so awesome watching the pakistani team doing their namaz on the ground. What the actual fuck?? This is a game! Keep your religious shit to yourself! Pray - but pray to your whatever god you want to - and pray together and only those who want to pray to begin with. Otherwise its a group of human beings who are trying to win games. God might help...but not necessarily only MY GOD or YOUR GOD

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

GOD is faith... it is not politics, sports or other mundane non spiritual aspects of life.  Total separation of belief from everything else.  Let GOD figure it out.  It is way above my pay grade.

[mastershake]

He has time here, but moreso this demonstrates the kid can really sling it:

 

[Sephiroth]

7 hours ago, mastershake said:

He has time here, but moreso this demonstrates the kid can really sling it:

 

I dunno man... looks like a pass any NFL qb could throw. Impressive for college though. 

[CrazedDogs]

10 hours ago, Sephiroth said:

I dunno man... looks like a pass any NFL qb could throw. Impressive for college though. 

Not Jones though.

[BlueInCanada]

2 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

Not Jones though.

That's the thing about being a QB in the NFL, arm talent aside.

Most of these guys have thrown the ball 10s of thousands of times since they were kids, they can easily make the throws to be winning QBs in the NFL.

What separates the good from the bad is the good QBs can make these throws when it's needed and consistently, how can you OC trust you if you struggle to consistently make the most basic pass?

It's why you have guys like Flacco who are having a resurgence at 38 because they can make the throws needed within their system and enough to win games.

As you said Jones can't, it appears from the eye test Ward can.

 

[CrazedDogs]

1 hour ago, BlueInCanada said:

That's the thing about being a QB in the NFL, arm talent aside.

Most of these guys have thrown the ball 10s of thousands of times since they were kids, they can easily make the throws to be winning QBs in the NFL.

What separates the good from the bad is the good QBs can make these throws when it's needed and consistently, how can you OC trust you if you struggle to consistently make the most basic pass?

It's why you have guys like Flacco who are having a resurgence at 38 because they can make the throws needed within their system and enough to win games.

As you said Jones can't, it appears from the eye test Ward can.

 

I kind of think Flacco should have/could have been starting the last few years. Not elite, but solidly a top 20 QB. He’s clearly a better QB than Jones. 
 

The thing that kills me is, Jones has enough arm talent to make it. He’s not ever making that throw Ward made, but lots of great QBs can’t do that (and many lousy to mediocre QBs can do that). But if he could just play with any anticipation at all,  he’s a keeper. 

[Sephiroth]

4 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

I kind of think Flacco should have/could have been starting the last few years. Not elite, but solidly a top 20 QB. He’s clearly a better QB than Jones. 
 

The thing that kills me is, Jones has enough arm talent to make it. He’s not ever making that throw Ward made, but lots of great QBs can’t do that (and many lousy to mediocre QBs can do that). But if he could just play with any anticipation at all,  he’s a keeper. 

The big knock on Jones coming out of college was that his arm talent was middling. There was a strange "BEST DEEP BALL IN THE LEAGUE!" thing among the mouth-breathers for a while but that was based off of one year in a Jason Garrett offense where he completed something like 7 of 11 on the season... a statistical outlier.

Even the big plays of his rookie season were mostly  7 yard passes to Engram or Barkley that would get taken 40 yards to the house.  

To your point though, he also doesn't play with anticipation. I guess having legendary David Cutcliffe as your college coach isn't the guarantee for success that people thought.

[Virginia Giant]

4 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

I kind of think Flacco should have/could have been starting the last few years. Not elite, but solidly a top 20 QB. He’s clearly a better QB than Jones. 
 

The thing that kills me is, Jones has enough arm talent to make it. He’s not ever making that throw Ward made, but lots of great QBs can’t do that (and many lousy to mediocre QBs can do that). But if he could just play with any anticipation at all,  he’s a keeper. 

The mother fucker just stares down the intended target.  The entire play he looks at one guy.  There was one throw where he was looking to the elft side of the field and snap threw it to Robinson I think.  It was one of the plays before the half I think.  Other than that, if he has 10 seconds, he stares at his guy for ten seconds, and if the guy doesn't get open he'll try to escape and maybe look somewhere else.  I was watching that specifically the whole game because I Have Nabers in fantasy and I would now as soon as the ball was snapped if it was going in that direction.  

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

5 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

I kind of think Flacco should have/could have been starting the last few years. Not elite, but solidly a top 20 QB. He’s clearly a better QB than Jones. 
 

The thing that kills me is, Jones has enough arm talent to make it. He’s not ever making that throw Ward made, but lots of great QBs can’t do that (and many lousy to mediocre QBs can do that). But if he could just play with any anticipation at all,  he’s a keeper. 

Yes he is totally lacking in touch and anticipation.. DJ.  You have to throw the ball consistently to an area near the WR where he has the better chance than the DB to make the catch.  DJ fails this test repeatedly.  He generally needs WR's to be open to the extent that you find in Division 2 or high school games.  Not in Division 1 and especially not in the NFL.  DJ has missed at least 6-8 easy...EASY TD's this year so far.  With just a little touch or anticipation guys would be walking into the endzone in stride.  I wrote it here... Naber's especially has been bailing him out by catching circus catches and stretching out to get clobbered by catching the balls that would be interceptions and/or broken up passes.  He excels in stretching Naber's out to the point that he is going to get pounded.  The guy has a heart of a RB but he is not an NFL QB 1 at all.  At best a QB 2 for a few games... my bet is a QB 3.  Jesse Palmer had more touch here. 

[CrazedDogs]

Maybe Jones can play TE!

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

59 minutes ago, Virginia Giant said:

The mother fucker just stares down the intended target.  The entire play he looks at one guy.  There was one throw where he was looking to the elft side of the field and snap threw it to Robinson I think.  It was one of the plays before the half I think.  Other than that, if he has 10 seconds, he stares at his guy for ten seconds, and if the guy doesn't get open he'll try to escape and maybe look somewhere else.  I was watching that specifically the whole game because I Have Nabers in fantasy and I would now as soon as the ball was snapped if it was going in that direction.  

This is verification of everything I have seen over six seasons.  In today's NFL it is three seasons and you better be going to the playoffs or showing huge improvement.  I just will not watch games with DJ in them anymore.  I have better ways of spending three hours.  I will catch the recaps here, online and on the radio.  I am done with DJ.  Hope Nabers does not get hurt with this guy.  Suit up for next year and go for the future.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

1 minute ago, CrazedDogs said:

Maybe Jones can play TE!

For sure... he is a TE or even a RB in his head.  If he bulked up another 30-40 lbs I could see him as a consistent TE.  Not as a QB... HS was his zenith... and at Duke he was repeatedly bailed out and played Division 1 schools six games out of the year.    In the NFL every team is good to great.  EVERY TEAM.

[Iceman_NYG]

On 10/21/2024 at 2:23 AM, Sephiroth said:

The big knock on Jones coming out of college was that his arm talent was middling. There was a strange "BEST DEEP BALL IN THE LEAGUE!" thing among the mouth-breathers for a while but that was based off of one year in a Jason Garrett offense where he completed something like 7 of 11 on the season... a statistical outlier.

Even the big plays of his rookie season were mostly  7 yard passes to Engram or Barkley that would get taken 40 yards to the house.  

To your point though, he also doesn't play with anticipation. I guess having legendary David Cutcliffe as your college coach isn't the guarantee for success that people thought.

I dont think there is anything further to discuss about Jones. He is broken shattered into a thousand pieces. Whatever abilities he had was destroyed last season after the 1st few weeks. And now without AT the same nightmares have returned. Its over for him here at NY. Godspeed and good luck and if he ends up on another team next season. Lets see if we can get a journeyman QB for next season like Winston and throw the kitchen sink towards getting Manning the following season.

[Mr. P]

If we are in a position to draft a qb and don’t because of some Manning pipe dream that would be super stupid and people should be fired. 
 

and, Arch probably pulls an Eli and refuses to play for the giants.  We are the dysfunctional organization the Manning’s should steer their kid away from these days.