BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, mastershake said: All good. Based on what I've heard about the cap structure of the deal, I'm good with the DJ contract, at least for now. It seems to enable to the Giants to be active in Free Agency, to fill some of the gaps at least. I had a coming to Jesus moment with Schoen thanks to the revelation about the 2023 cap number, lol. Yeah I want to see more details but if Jones is only on the books for 19 million Schoen is a fucking wizard. Guess we're so used to awful GM's that when we finally have a good one we still are expecting a Kenny Golladay contract for Jones lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Also crazy fact this morning I read. Jones is the first, first round pick since OBJ to sign a second contract with the Giants. You almost forget how fucking bad this team was before Daboll and Schoen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: Yeah I want to see more details but if Jones is only on the books for 19 million Schoen is a fucking wizard. Guess we're so used to awful GM's that when we finally have a good one we still are expecting a Kenny Golladay contract for Jones lol Plus if there's an 'out' after year 2 or 3, where cutting Jones won't crush us with dead cap, it could be a good deal. Also, Burrow, Jackson, and Herbert at this rate are going to hit $55-$60M easily, so this Jones deal could end up being a relative bargain compared to those contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, mastershake said: Plus if there's an 'out' after year 2 or 3, where cutting Jones won't crush us with dead cap, it could be a good deal. Also, Burrow, Jackson, and Herbert at this rate are going to hit $55-$60M easily, so this Jones deal could end up being a relative bargain compared to those contracts. Yeah the Chiefs look like masterminds signing Mahomes to that 10 year deal. Imagine if they had to give him another contract in a year or two? Dude would be making 80+ million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 It won’t be a top ten contract by the 2025 draft. Which means we aren’t paying over market value for him. This is how it always goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Herc said: It won’t be a top ten contract by the 2025 draft. Which means we aren’t paying over market value for him. This is how it always goes Think I heard something similar yesterday. Giants are expecting him to be a top ten qb but won’t be posting him as one in a couple years. Front end risk, back end reward. Makes me a little happier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Details: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/inside-daniel-jones-deal-164709285.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 Jones' cap hits are as follows: 2023: $18.5m 2024: $45.5m 2025: $39.5m 2026: $55.5m And I think the 4th year has no guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 So 17% of the projected 2024 cap if they don’t restructure. Nbd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, The P said: Jones' cap hits are as follows: 2023: $18.5m 2024: $45.5m 2025: $39.5m 2026: $55.5m And I think the 4th year has no guarantees. Not bad sure next year is an increase but Golladays contract will be off the books and I assume Williams as well. Plus with the cap expected to go up another 15-20 million won't hurt as much. So Jones basically gets his payday year two for compromising year one but the Giants get the out at year three. Schoen you mad man you did it, you didn't fuck it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Current Contract (UFA, signed 2023) Year Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $160,000,000 2023 $19,000,000 $82,000,000 ($63,000,000) 2024 📝 $45,000,000 $63,000,000 ($18,000,000) 2025 $39,500,000 $18,000,000 $21,500,000 2026 $56,500,000 $9,000,000 $47,500,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 As you all already know... I'm a DJ homer. I'm happy for him and I think he already is a top 10 given the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 I’m starting to hate him as a QB. That might not be fair, but he hasn’t even come close to earning that kinda money. it isn’t just the contract. But the contract makes it much worse. Truth is, without the ability to run, he would flat out suck. He is one hit away from being the most expensive bench warmer this league has ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, JayD said: I’m starting to hate him as a QB. That might not be fair, but he hasn’t even come close to earning that kinda money. it isn’t just the contract. But the contract makes it much worse. Truth is, without the ability to run, he would flat out suck. He is one hit away from being the most expensive bench warmer this league has ever seen I dunno we paid Kenny Golladay 45+ million to catch 1 TD. Williams made 35+ million for two sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 8, 2023 Author Share Posted March 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: I dunno we paid Kenny Golladay 45+ million to catch 1 TD. Williams made 35+ million for two sacks. How many wrongs equal a right? we gotta be getting there soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, JayD said: I’m starting to hate him as a QB. That might not be fair, but he hasn’t even come close to earning that kinda money. it isn’t just the contract. But the contract makes it much worse. Truth is, without the ability to run, he would flat out suck. He is one hit away from being the most expensive bench warmer this league has ever seen Where would you rank him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, JayD said: I’m starting to hate him as a QB. That might not be fair, but he hasn’t even come close to earning that kinda money. it isn’t just the contract. But the contract makes it much worse. Truth is, without the ability to run, he would flat out suck. He is one hit away from being the most expensive bench warmer this league has ever seen His ability to run saved our asses because he has no receivers. The kid put his body on the line. You have to be able to reward hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Nas said: His ability to run saved our asses because he has no receivers. The kid put his body on the line. You have to be able to reward hard work. Sure. But you don’t reward one winning season, with only 9 wins, and one playoff game, in 4 years, like he’s Gods gift to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Herc said: Where would you rank him? Looking at his entire career, 20th tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 hours ago, JayD said: Sure. But you don’t reward one winning season, with only 9 wins, and one playoff game, in 4 years, like he’s Gods gift to football. Well you have to take into account other factors like our WRs... The guy in Philly had 2 or 3 pro bowlers and a solid OL... DJ had none of those. And the pay isn't really that high if you consider the QB market. In a year or two, when he has some pieces around him, this deal will look like a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 hours ago, JayD said: Looking at his entire career, 20th tops What about right now? Where do you think he’ll fall when next season is over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 He definitely has to show improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 31 minutes ago, The P said: He definitely has to show improvement. Yeah he's signed a top QB money contract. He needs to elevate this team around him if he wants to sniff years 3 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 He still needs help. The o-line will be a year older. Definitely needs a wide receiver. I would draft one. What do you think of the TE position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 9, 2023 Author Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, jranieli said: He still needs help. The o-line will be a year older. Definitely needs a wide receiver. I would draft one. What do you think of the TE position? im actually good with Bellinger and Cager. Maybe a late round pick or an udfa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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