Mr. P Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Of course you are gonna stick with your source...cause if you don't, maybe you don't have a source anymore and you are instantly worthless as a reporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 I had a dream last night that Jones signed elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, The P said: I had a dream last night that Jones signed elsewhere. Only in a dream would another team pay 45 million for Jones lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Lol what a nightmare if this is all true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I don't know, maybe he wants out of NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Who cares what he wants. Can't the giants just Franchise tag him as we've been saying? And then if he signs elsewhere for a bigger contract, the Giants get two first round draft picks. Just tag him already and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, mastershake said: Who cares what he wants. Can't the giants just Franchise tag him as we've been saying? And then if he signs elsewhere for a bigger contract, the Giants get two first round draft picks. Just tag him already and be done with it. I think the problem is with the tag is we basicay loose any chance to sign FA. 30 some odd million fully guaranteed leaves the Giants with maybe 14 million in cap space with the Golladay release. Draft picks are worth 6-7? So we now have 7 million in cap space and haven't even signed a signed or extended.q single player. I'm sure the Giants are trying to work with Jones camp to make the first year hit as small as possible so they can actually do something this year in FA. I mean what good is it to sign Jones for a single year just to have the team get worse because we have no cap space to make the team any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Just now, BlueInCanada said: I think the problem is with the tag is we basicay loose any chance to sign FA. 30 some odd million fully guaranteed leaves the Giants with maybe 14 million in cap space with the Golladay release. Draft picks are worth 6-7? So we now have 7 million in cap space and haven't even signed a signed or extended.q single player. I'm sure the Giants are trying to work with Jones camp to make the first year hit as small as possible so they can actually do something this year in FA. I mean what good is it to sign Jones for a single year just to have the team get worse because we have no cap space to make the team any better. But won't a longer term contract carry a high cap hit as well? Even if it's $26-28M instead of the franchise tag $31M, that's not saving us much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 1 minute ago, mastershake said: But won't a longer term contract carry a high cap hit as well? Even if it's $26-28M instead of the franchise tag $31M, that's not saving us much. I think it's the fully guaranteed which will be the kicker and the signing bonus. The Giants can guarantee Jones 90 some odd million spread out over three years but structure it to have a kick in year two and save in year one, plus the void years now becoming a thing. The franchise tag is fully guaranteed the moment it's signed. Atleast with a contract you can have the possibility of his cap hit being in the 20 million range year one. That extra 4 to 5 million is an extra starter on the team. But don't ask me I think we should let him walk in all honesty. This team isn't an above average QB away from being a SB team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Just now, BlueInCanada said: I think it's the fully guaranteed which will be the kicker and the signing bonus. The Giants can guarantee Jones 90 some odd million spread out over three years but structure it to have a kick in year two and save in year one, plus the void years now becoming a thing. The franchise tag is fully guaranteed the moment it's signed. Atleast with a contract you can have the possibility of his cap hit being in the 20 million range year one. That extra 4 to 5 million is an extra starter on the team. But don't ask me I think we should let him walk in all honesty. This team isn't an above average QB away from being a SB team. Right but if he doesn't agree to a long term deal, like 3 years $100M, I'd say just tag him. Spotrac has us at $43M in Cap Space, factoring in the draft picks, but not yet factoring in Golladay, so really this should be closer to $50M, so a Franchise tag leaves $19M leftover...and that's before potentially revisiting Leonard Williams and Adoree Jackson's contracts, which could lead to more savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 The latest thing I read said they’d like to get the deal done with Jones and use the tag on Barkely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, The P said: The latest thing I read said they’d like to get the deal done with Jones and use the tag on Barkely. They'd like to, yes....but Jones is still the priority. If he wants north of 45m...he can sign elsewhere after we tag him. And yes, that would net us 2 1sts...but I dont know any team that is going to commit 45m in cap space AND the level of draft capital in Jones. But if they do...that might be better than signing him to long term deal in the long run. On a selfish note, that could extend the patience that coaches and GMs get these days too. Love our coaches and front office, but maybe they understand too that a rookie QB nets them additional years of grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, gmenroc said: They'd like to, yes....but Jones is still the priority. If he wants north of 45m...he can sign elsewhere after we tag him. And yes, that would net us 2 1sts...but I dont know any team that is going to commit 45m in cap space AND the level of draft capital in Jones. But if they do...that might be better than signing him to long term deal in the long run. On a selfish note, that could extend the patience that coaches and GMs get these days too. Love our coaches and front office, but maybe they understand too that a rookie QB nets them additional years of grace. correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, gmenroc said: They'd like to, yes....but Jones is still the priority. If he wants north of 45m...he can sign elsewhere after we tag him. And yes, that would net us 2 1sts...but I dont know any team that is going to commit 45m in cap space AND the level of draft capital in Jones. But if they do...that might be better than signing him to long term deal in the long run. On a selfish note, that could extend the patience that coaches and GMs get these days too. Love our coaches and front office, but maybe they understand too that a rookie QB nets them additional years of grace. It's going to be interesting to see what the Plan B is IF DJ is not resigned. We're not in a position to land one of the top 4QBs in the draft, and then the next tier down (e.g. Hendon Hooker or Tanner McKee) aren't great. I also don't think we have the capital to trade up. Tyrod Taylor? He'd be a poor gap solution if you ask me. Maybe sign a guy like Taylor Heinecke or Baker Mayfield for 1-2 years for cheap? There's no good options here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted March 3, 2023 Author Share Posted March 3, 2023 Plan B is almost certainly tag him and keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, The P said: The latest thing I read said they’d like to get the deal done with Jones and use the tag on Barkely. I think that’s the ideal scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, mastershake said: It's going to be interesting to see what the Plan B is IF DJ is not resigned. We're not in a position to land one of the top 4QBs in the draft, and then the next tier down (e.g. Hendon Hooker or Tanner McKee) aren't great. I also don't think we have the capital to trade up. Tyrod Taylor? He'd be a poor gap solution if you ask me. Maybe sign a guy like Taylor Heinecke or Baker Mayfield for 1-2 years for cheap? There's no good options here. There’s no one. We had a prayer at Richardson maybe a month ago but he’s flying up the board now. If we want to stay on the course we set this year we gotta bring him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 44 minutes ago, The P said: I for one respect Jones taking a $4.50 a year contract. Good for him looking out for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Also if Jones signs for 40+ million the QB market is going to be nuked. Guys like Burrow are going to be asking for 60+ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, BlueInCanada said: Also if Jones signs for 40+ million the QB market is going to be nuked. Guys like Burrow are going to be asking for 60+ lol And that guy in KC is gonna be regretting that 10 year deal...maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, gmenroc said: And that guy in KC is gonna be regretting that 10 year deal...maybe I dunno 10 years, half a billion dollars of security. I don't know the length but I'm willing to suspect that Schoens deal he is giving Jones has some outs after a year or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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