It's gameday dudes and dudettes

[Nas]

11 minutes ago, jranieli said:

I feel the coaching staff managed to take a lot of pressure off of Jones and he is not trying to do stupid things on his own. Better coaching, better pizza, Papa Daboll

I like that slogan (a bit modified):

Better Coaching, Better Players, Papa Daboll.

[CrazedDogs]

18 hours ago, UK-Giantsfan said:

Agreed ……. Maybe some of Gettleman’s picks were not as bad as we all thought

unpopular opinion: Gettleman wasn't the problem, Reese wasn't the problem, Mara and his sperm lotto cohort were the problem. 

Gettleman's drafting sure wasn't the problem, his picks were about average overall. It was inheriting a roster of pure shite and - I'm guessing - a push form ownership to overvalue the roster and reload via free agency. 

[Mr. P]

Outside of drafting, Gettleman wasn’t good.

 

and Mara also hired Schoen and Daboll.  

[BlueInCanada]

1 hour ago, The P said:

Outside of drafting, Gettleman wasn’t good.

 

and Mara also hired Schoen and Daboll.  

God Getty was just the worst thing for the Giants at that point in time.

Convinced ownership to role with a broken down Eli.

Drafted and signed a bunch of O-line just to have some of the worst O-lines in football.

Hired Schumer and Judge.

Went out and gave guys like Stewart contracts. 

Looking back in his career he has got to be one of the worst GMs to ever be in the NFL. 

Took Carolina and ran them into the ground too lol 

[CrazedDogs]

3 hours ago, The P said:

Outside of drafting, Gettleman wasn’t good.

 

and Mara also hired Schoen and Daboll.  

I’d hesitate to call the drafting good either, it just wasn’t anywhere near as abysmal as its been popular to say. 
 

and indeed this leadership team is a Mara hire too, but there’s been a sea change in Mara’s mind set this year. It seems he learned the error of his ways. 
 

2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

God Getty was just the worst thing for the Giants at that point in time.

Convinced ownership to role with a broken down Eli.

Drafted and signed a bunch of O-line just to have some of the worst O-lines in football.

Hired Schumer and Judge.

Went out and gave guys like Stewart contracts. 

Looking back in his career he has got to be one of the worst GMs to ever be in the NFL. 

Took Carolina and ran them into the ground too lol 

See that’s where I’m coming around… not that I’m going to die on this hill, but I think in aggregate Gettleman was much closer to average than the worst ever….. Given the constraints of ownership. (Similar limitations in Carolina too, Richardson was a clusterfuck of a team owner).
 

 

[jranieli]

40 minutes ago, CrazedDogs said:

I’d hesitate to call the drafting good either, it just wasn’t anywhere near as abysmal as its been popular to say. 
 

and indeed this leadership team is a Mara hire too, but there’s been a sea change in Mara’s mind set this year. It seems he learned the error of his ways. 
 

See that’s where I’m coming around… not that I’m going to die on this hill, but I think in aggregate Gettleman was much closer to average than the worst ever….. Given the constraints of ownership. (Similar limitations in Carolina too, Richardson was a clusterfuck of a team owner).
 

 

The drafting wasn't terrible. I am saying average. Most of everything else was below average. Plenty of players still on the roster and a bunch of starters. Maybe he neglected the o-line until it was to late? 

2021	1	Kadarius Toney	20	WR	2022	0	0	0	3	14	1	3	19	0	0	7	62	0	47	489	1			Florida
2021	2	Azeez Ojulari	50	OLB	2022	0	0	1	7	19													9.0	Georgia
2021	3	Aaron Robinson	71	DB	2022	0	0	0	1	11														Central Florida
2021	4	Elerson Smith	116	DL	2022	0	0	0	1	10														Northern Iowa
2021	6	Gary Brightwell	196	RB	2022	0	0	0	0	22						5	23	1	1	6	0			Arizona
2021	6	Rodarius Williams	201	CB	2021	0	0	0	0	5														Oklahoma St.
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	wAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2020	1	Andrew Thomas	4	T	2022	0	0	2	11	38									1	2	1			Georgia
2020	2	Xavier McKinney	36	S	2022	0	0	1	9	31												6	1.0	Alabama
2020	3	Matt Peart	99	T	2022	0	0	0	3	27														Connecticut
2020	4	Darnay Holmes	110	CB	2022	0	0	0	5	32												2	0.5	UCLA
2020	5	Shane Lemieux	150	G	2021	0	0	1	3	13														Oregon
2020	6	Cam Brown	183	LB	2022	0	0	0	2	36														Penn St.
2020	7	Carter Coughlin	218	LB	2022	0	0	0	3	30													1.0	Minnesota
2020	7	T.J. Brunson	238	LB	2020	0	0	0	0	5														South Carolina
2020	7	Chris Williamson	247	CB	2021	0	0	0	0	5														Minnesota
2020	7	Tae Crowder	255	LB	2022	0	0	2	13	37												2	2.0	Georgia
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	wAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2019	1	Daniel Jones	6	QB	2022	0	0	3	24	47	952	1505	9994	53	31	241	1387	8	1	16	0			Duke
2019	1	Dexter Lawrence	17	DT	2022	0	0	2	19	57													14.0	Clemson
2019	1	Deandre Baker	30	CB	2021	0	0	1	6	26													1.0	Georgia
2019	3	Oshane Ximines	95	DE	2022	0	0	0	5	37													6.5	Old Dominion
2019	4	Julian Love	108	CB	2022	0	0	0	8	57												4	1.5	Notre Dame
2019	5	Ryan Connelly	143	LB	2021	0	0	0	4	30												2	1.0	Wisconsin
2019	5	Darius Slayton	171	WR	2022	0	0	2	14	51						3	-14	0	143	2157	15			Auburn
2019	6	Corey Ballentine	180	CB	2022	0	0	0	2	33														Washburn
2019	7	George Asafo-Adjei	232	T		0	0	0																Kentucky
2019	7	Chris Slayton	245	DT		0	0	0																Syracuse
Year	Rnd	Player	Pick	Pos	To	AP1	PB	St	wAV	G	Cmp	Att	Yds	TD	Int	Att	Yds	TD	Rec	Yds	TD	Int	Sk	College/Univ
2018	1	Saquon Barkley	2	RB	2022	0	1	3	28	53						857	3868	25	219	1679	8			Penn St.
2018	2	Will Hernandez	34	G	2022	0	0	3	23	71														Texas-El Paso
2018	3	Lorenzo Carter	66	DE	2022	0	0	3	17	59												2	17.0	Georgia
2018	3	B.J. Hill	69	DT	2022	0	0	2	11	73													15.0	North Carolina St.
2018	4	Kyle Lauletta	108	QB	2018	0	0	0	0	2	0	5	0	0	1	1	-2	0						Richmond
2018	5	R.J. McIntosh	139	DT	2019	0	0	0	1	18													2.0	Miami (FL)

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

10 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

unpopular opinion: Gettleman wasn't the problem, Reese wasn't the problem, Mara and his sperm lotto cohort were the problem. 

Gettleman's drafting sure wasn't the problem, his picks were about average overall. It was inheriting a roster of pure shite and - I'm guessing - a push form ownership to overvalue the roster and reload via free agency. 

The Maras carry a Lot of faults for this shit show

They were far too involved with the franchise as if they were Wellington Mara

[Iceman_NYG]

10 hours ago, CrazedDogs said:

I’d hesitate to call the drafting good either, it just wasn’t anywhere near as abysmal as its been popular to say. 
 

and indeed this leadership team is a Mara hire too, but there’s been a sea change in Mara’s mind set this year. It seems he learned the error of his ways. 
 

See that’s where I’m coming around… not that I’m going to die on this hill, but I think in aggregate Gettleman was much closer to average than the worst ever….. Given the constraints of ownership. (Similar limitations in Carolina too, Richardson was a clusterfuck of a team owner).
 

 

More than this leadership being a Mara hire - the critical thing is him giving complete control to Schoen and Daboll in all personnel decision and deciding to stay away from any and all decisions regarding the team. This is the difference which was not there with the previous shit regimes.