Nas Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 my only problem with Nelson is that, as a guard, he would make so much as the 2nd overall pick that he would have to be the very best guard in the league to be worth the money. Picking a guard that high, I'd have to wonder what's next at the top of the 2nd round, a kicker or punter? I disagree with that notion... a rookie contract is pennies on the dollar as is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 my only problem with Nelson is that, as a guard, he would make so much as the 2nd overall pick that he would have to be the very best guard in the league to be worth the money. Picking a guard that high, I'd have to wonder what's next at the top of the 2nd round, a kicker or punter? I think we could trade down and still draft him. I think we need SOB. Bring some toughness back to the OLINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I think we could trade down and still draft him. I think we need SOB. Bring some toughness back to the OLINE They could get that in the third round with any guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Quenton Nelson at #2 Ok now consider this for a moment. He is as good if not better than Zach Martin. Pay Andrew Norwell $13 million this year versus Quenton Nelson's $5-6 million. I would take Nelson at #2 if Barkley is gone and couldn't get a trade done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Quenton Nelson at #2 Ok now consider this for a moment. He is as good if not better than Zach Martin. Pay Andrew Norwell $13 million this year versus Quenton Nelson's $5-6 million. I would take Nelson at #2 if Barkley is gone and couldn't get a trade done. Don't we need two guards anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Don't we need two guards anyway? Giants re-signed John Greco who is pretty good and has made a career of playing on historically bad teams. I say pretty good when compared to John Jerry. I think Jerry gets cut in June barring injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I disagree with that notion... a rookie contract is pennies on the dollar as is... hardly! Its not as bad as it used to be, but the 2nd overall pick will be due approx. $30 million over 4 seasons, with $20 million guaranteed. (estimate based on 2017 draft pick comp.) I think we could trade down and still draft him. I think we need SOB. Bring some toughness back to the OLINE so much YES.... that dude is made for the Giants, and he's a huge Giants fan too. I think that may be my favorite scenario if Barkley goes 1st overall.... trade back for a kings ransom, and hopefully still come out of it with Nelson, I'd take that any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Agreed I kinda have the same issue with RB. I think Barkley is good, but He's not Peterson or Tomlinson oh man, I think Barkley is a better prospect than either of them. I think he's the best RB prospect I've ever seen, or at least since Kijana Carter. (no, I'm not into Penn St) And he's a top notch dude too, like Nelson he's a culture changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 oh man, I think Barkley is a better prospect than either of them. I think he's the best RB prospect I've ever seen, or at least since Kijana Carter. (no, I'm not into Penn St) And he's a top notch dude too, like Nelson he's a culture changer. Here is my one and only argument against taking Barkley with the second pick of the draft. I think the other RB's are just as good and can be drafted in the second round. Barkley isn't a once in a generation talent, just better than the Qb's projected in the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I think he may be a once in a generation talent. I'm definitely far more impressed with his college tape than any of the other top rbs in the last ten years. Even then, the shelf life and general fungibility of running backs makes me question the wisdom of picking any rb, even Jim Brown, so high. But, it's so tempting get the most electrifying player in years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I think he may be a once in a generation talent. I'm definitely far more impressed with his college tape than any of the other top rbs in the last ten years. Even then, the shelf life and general fungibility of running backs makes me question the wisdom of picking any rb, even Jim Brown, so high. But, it's so tempting get the most electrifying player in years..... Shelf life or not... look at what Zeke, Gurly and the likes have done for their teams.... But I concede that we can get a bigger bang for our buck if we were to trade down and still get the top guard in this draft.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Here is my one and only argument against taking Barkley with the second pick of the draft. I think the other RB's are just as good and can be drafted in the second round. Barkley isn't a once in a generation talent, just better than the Qb's projected in the top 5. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 oh man, I think Barkley is a better prospect than either of them. I think he's the best RB prospect I've ever seen, or at least since Kijana Carter. (no, I'm not into Penn St) And he's a top notch dude too, like Nelson he's a culture changer. Man I don't see that I am not even sure He's as good as Todd Gurley. With Barkley you're really pointing to five great games, but he was bottled up in the 8 others. Also is he a workhorse? Only three games were he had more than 20 carries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Hed better be a workhorse and for the number 2 pick hed better not ever be on the bench on third down either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I'm hearing this class is really deep at RB. Chubb graded out almost as high as Barkley at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I think if Barkley is there, he's the pick. If not, I think a trade down while ensuring the Notre Dame guard is the way to go. And if Barkley is not there, it means all the QBs are there for the choosing from whatever team wants to move up for one meaning that there shouldn't be too much of a problem finding a trade partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I think if Barkley is there, he's the pick. If not, I think a trade down while ensuring the Notre Dame guard is the way to go. And if Barkley is not there, it means all the QBs are there for the choosing from whatever team wants to move up for one meaning that there shouldn't be too much of a problem finding a trade partner. That is solid as shit. C>W agon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I think if Barkley is there, he's the pick. If not, I think a trade down while ensuring the Notre Dame guard is the way to go. And if Barkley is not there, it means all the QBs are there for the choosing from whatever team wants to move up for one meaning that there shouldn't be too much of a problem finding a trade partner. I'm starting to lean towards trading down even if Barkley is there... Something about picking blue collar guys who are B+ instead of super stars I find intriguing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Don't get me wrong, I'm saying I think Barkley would be the pick if he's there. My hope and preference would be that the Browns take Barkley and we then trade back and still get the guard from Notre Dame. Secretly, I want the Browns to throw a monster wrench into the equation...like not taking Barkley OR a QB at #1....or taking QBs at #1 AND #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 I don't know about the browns oline, but they're likely taking a qb, so they're probably looking oline as well. If they go qb at 1, the guard will probably not get passed them at 4. Going to be interesting. The browns could do a bunch, including trading down. We could trade with the Broncos at 5 and a team that wants the guard could move into the browns 4 slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Browns have a great o-line. I think Nelson is all ours if we want him and hes number 1 on my list now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Browns have a great o-line. I think Nelson is all ours if we want him and hes number 1 on my list now I'm with you. And I'm positive, if we trade down, someone will trade up and swipe him from under our nose - again! Seen that movie. F*ck that. You want Nelson, you don't get cute. Take him at 2. RB/OT next few rounds. Then sign Norwell. We're back to respectability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Thing is, if we trade down and miss on Nelson, assuming Barkley goes top 5, we're still likely to have a shot at Fitzpatrick or Chubb, both who would contribute in their rookie years. So who really would trade up for a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 there are easily four guys I'd be thrilled to get who will instantly make the team better... Nelson, Fitzpatrick, Chubb, Barkley, or take your pick on the QB too, no shame in taking the opportunity to sure up the QB position for the next ten to fifteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 there are easily four guys I'd be thrilled to get who will instantly make the team better... Nelson, Fitzpatrick, Chubb, Barkley, or take your pick on the QB too, no shame in taking the opportunity to sure up the QB position for the next ten to fifteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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