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Yeah, for a lot of the reasons stated, I've come around on the Apple pick. But to come out of the draft without any lineman, offensive or defensive...I just find that hard to take given last year where we couldn't run the ball on offense and we couldn't generate a pass rush on defense.

 

Yes, there were some FA additions to help solve that, but I view FA more as a short term fix than a long term solution. So having said that, I really expected an influx of youth on the lines...at least one pick, if not two, between offense and defense.

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I confess I have not studied Goodson enough to assess his impact. I think he is a special teamer, and maybe short yardage specialist. I don't believe he is a pass rusher, which means I don't expect any improvement in our blitz this year.

 

5.5 sacks from the MLB position last year. Half a sack more the #3 over-all Joey Bosa. The question isn't IF he can blitz, it's will we call the blitz.

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Yeah, for a lot of the reasons stated, I've come around on the Apple pick. But to come out of the draft without any lineman, offensive or defensive...I just find that hard to take given last year where we couldn't run the ball on offense and we couldn't generate a pass rush on defense.

 

Yes, there were some FA additions to help solve that, but I view FA more as a short term fix than a long term solution. So having said that, I really expected an influx of youth on the lines...at least one pick, if not two, between offense and defense.

I do think they should of went Clark over Thompson

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Yeah, for a lot of the reasons stated, I've come around on the Apple pick. But to come out of the draft without any lineman, offensive or defensive...I just find that hard to take given last year where we couldn't run the ball on offense and we couldn't generate a pass rush on defense.

 

Yes, there were some FA additions to help solve that, but I view FA more as a short term fix than a long term solution. So having said that, I really expected an influx of youth on the lines...at least one pick, if not two, between offense and defense.

 

Yeah, that's why I couldn't grade it an 'A' draft... although, its nice that the two big signings on the DL are young enough that they may as well be draft picks.

 

But no OL.... man, I'm not happy unless that bench gets restocked. A deep OL can be so important.

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When you think about Dallas' draft, they could've had Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack on their defense THIS YEAR. A defense

 

Instead, they took a RB, who, no matter how good he is, is the position with the shortest career lifespan, and took him at a pick that was the highest they've had in the draft since 1991.

 

Now they wait (and hope) Jaylon Smith can recover and play, but also play at a level that justifies the pick.

 

I've said it before, Jalen Ramsey was the best defensive back to come out of college in many years.

 

The Cowboys could've waited until the 4th and gotten a RB like Devontae Booker, and still had a defense that could've been one of the best in football.

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When you think about Dallas' draft, they could've had Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack on their defense THIS YEAR. A defense

 

Instead, they took a RB, who, no matter how good he is, is the position with the shortest career lifespan, and took him at a pick that was the highest they've had in the draft since 1991.

 

Now they wait (and hope) Jaylon Smith can recover and play, but also play at a level that justifies the pick.

 

I've said it before, Jalen Ramsey was the best defensive back to come out of college in many years.

 

The Cowboys could've waited until the 4th and gotten a RB like Devontae Booker, and still had a defense that could've been one of the best in football.

 

That's true but Tony Romo only has 2-3 years left, tops. A running back can come right in and play, as opposed to other players who need a few years to develop. If they want to give Romo a ring they have to win now, and Elliot behind that line was the best way to do that.

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5.5 sacks from the MLB position last year. Half a sack more the #3 over-all Joey Bosa. The question isn't IF he can blitz, it's will we call the blitz.

 

Fair point.

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Just my opinion, but I think if you're looking at a situation where there's one guy left on your board who is on a different level from everybody else on your board, and he fits a need, then that is a situation that you try to move up.

 

This may describe Landon Collins.

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And for all the talking out of his ass, he gave props to every other bar thompson, and hes correct about the offensive line being ignored

You only have so many picks.... can't really expect a team to cover all the bases which is why there's free agency, draft, then June cuts.

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That's true but Tony Romo only has 2-3 years left, tops. A running back can come right in and play, as opposed to other players who need a few years to develop. If they want to give Romo a ring they have to win now, and Elliot behind that line was the best way to do that.

 

The other picks don't fit your win-now approach.

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Just my opinion, but I think if you're looking at a situation where there's one guy left on your board who is on a different level from everybody else on your board, and he fits a need, then that is a situation that you try to move up.

 

This may describe Landon Collins.

 

Yup, it's a calculated move, not panic.

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You only have so many picks.... can't really expect a team to cover all the bases which is why there's free agency, draft, then June cuts.

 

Considering all the money the Giants had in free agency, I'm not sure how you can't expect them to cover it somehow.

 

Getting a June cut at RT, good luck with that. Look at all the crap Newhouse gets, and rightfully so.

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Just my opinion, but I think if you're looking at a situation where there's one guy left on your board who is on a different level from everybody else on your board, and he fits a need, then that is a situation that you try to move up.

 

This may describe Landon Collins.

Anybody moving up in the draft is panicking, different levels of panic but panicking none the less. They want that guy and do what they need to get him. It's not a calculated move. And that's fine, but let's call it what it is.

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OK, to be fair I'm sure there may be cases where both instances are true... a trade up being a calculated move and sometimes a move of desperation or panic.

 

But think about it, it all depends on the draft board, the remaining talent, how you have them graded, and the expected return of the desired player versus the expected return of the draft picks you give up to get that player.

 

In this particular draft, I thought that after Conklin went off the board, you let the draft fall to you or trade back. The Giants said they didn't get a good enough offer to trade back.

 

I can't speak to last year for sure, but I do think at times in the pass Jerry Reese has been overly inclined to trade up.

 

Regardless, saying that picking Apple was a panic-pick... that's just foolish for someone to say, and it comes from a place of complete ignorance, as does the follow up comment of him being a "fringe first-rounder." What draft scout or publication ever had Apple sliding to the 2nd round? By far, most did not. Ourlads had him as the 13th best player in the draft. NFLDraftScout.com (CBS prospect rankings) had him as the 20th ranked player in the draft.

 

Regardless, several NFL teams had him as their #1 corner.

 

In fact, I'd be willing to bet he's who the Bucs were targeting at 11 when they made the trade with the Bears. I don't believe the Bucs had Hargreaves as their #1. I believe they thought the Giants would take Hargreaves, as was the rumored contingency (or they would take Tunsil), and they would then be able to draft Apple.

 

Unless you are in the know, it's all speculation, but for Silva to wax on like he knows something is idiotic and arrogant.

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I will have to check out the grades on our prior drafts....trying to remember a single review since 2010 that didn't throw roses at our team.

 

I'm going to stand by my assertion that this draft was based on the belief that our pass rush is already fixed. That to me is a risky assertion.

 

And our other perennial need - OL - was not addressed at all.

 

The consensus is that Shepard and Perkins both represented high value for the positions they were picked. No issues with Perkins. Would have much preferred getting a pass rusher and offensive lineman in the first 3 rounds.

 

But again, if we have the same pass rush problems and the same right side collapses on the line, this draft will be graded very harshly.

Nas - In all honesty I think our pass rush IS fixed. Vernon, Snacks and JPP with a full offseason of re-hab does make our D-line look formidable. They will get a lot of pressure upfront. Im quite confident that by October everyone here will be lining up for fellatio with JPP. That guy is going to surprise everyone. It was the secondary that needed work. DRC, Jenkins and Apple make for a solid defensive backfield.

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Considering all the money the Giants had in free agency, I'm not sure how you can't expect them to cover it somehow.

 

Getting a June cut at RT, good luck with that. Look at all the crap Newhouse gets, and rightfully so.

 

Was there anyone on the market who was a good fit that we didn't try to sign?

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Outside of Eli and Collins last year - Giants dont have a history of trading up or down in the draft do they?

I can't remember Reese ever trading down. Maybe in the later rounds?

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