Tempest Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 21st century carnival barkers. I was thinking more seals performing for fish at seaworld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/thoughts-head-scratchings-round-1/ The reach of the draft? Taylor Lewan. Lewan is fine when the play stays in front of him. Hes a strong player in one on one contests, but he has problems with fast, edge rushers. So he gets to face Clowney and Robert Mathis a whole bunch in the Titans division. I personally feel that the team that grabs Morgan Moses today, gets a better all-around OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/thoughts-head-scratchings-round-1/ The reach of the draft? Taylor Lewan. Lewan is fine when the play stays in front of him. Hes a strong player in one on one contests, but he has problems with fast, edge rushers. So he gets to face Clowney and Robert Mathis a whole bunch in the Titans division. I personally feel that the team that grabs Morgan Moses today, gets a better all-around OT. I was just starting to look at the best available linemen...seeing who might be around for our pick. We're picking at 43 overall. The #s in parentheses are where CBSSports had the players ranked overall. I admittedly didn't read up on centers, so I can't comment on Martin or Richburg...but if either has quality G experience, then I suppose I could stomach them in the 2nd. But if purely a center, I'd rather wait until the later rounds. I saw Kouandjio in exactly one game and he was getting beat consistently. It's soured me on him big time. What are the chance we get a shot at Su'a-Filo, Moses, or Bitonio? OG Su'a-Filo (27) OT Kouandjio (29) OT Moses (36) OG Bitonio (41) C Martin (48) OT Mewhort (62) C Richburg (65) OG Jackson (66) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Not speaking for just the giants, but in general, why is it that NFL draft analysts (the media) seems to like EVERY SINGLE PICK? These all can't be good picks, lol, they never are. same reason every player who plays on sunday and monday night is the best ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm hoping for Bitonio and with how many Olineman are left, I think we have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/thoughts-head-scratchings-round-1/ The reach of the draft? Taylor Lewan. Lewan is fine when the play stays in front of him. Hes a strong player in one on one contests, but he has problems with fast, edge rushers. So he gets to face Clowney and Robert Mathis a whole bunch in the Titans division. I personally feel that the team that grabs Morgan Moses today, gets a better all-around OT. there's also absolutely no room for him on that titans o-line either. really strange pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Not speaking for just the giants, but in general, why is it that NFL draft analysts (the media) seems to like EVERY SINGLE PICK? These all can't be good picks, lol, they never are. That's because right now.. they are very good picks... how they pan out later is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 That's because right now.. they are very good picks... how they pan out later is different. Exactly it would be unfair to trash a kid before he plays his first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I'm not going to lie--I was disappointed. But it looks like there are plenty of linemen in the second, so I'm not freaking out yet, and I don't follow college ball enough to really have an opinion on single players. For all I know, Beckham might be the best WR this year. And let's face it--there's no real guarantee that a first round lineman would be any better than the FAs we have signed--just hope. Besides, we historically do better in the second round than the first. I'm going to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedinBlue Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The graveyard of "can't miss" first round players looks like the Arlington cemetery. The numbers are frightening. Within 3 years, half the first round picks are already out of football, or bouncing from team to team for vet minimum. The whole draft is a crap shoot. Have to go with your gut and trust your scouts have done their job instead of staying at 5-star hotels, eating steak and lobster every night before spending 3 hours at the strip joint. I like Bitonio (and I think the Giants are high on him if you can believe anything you read in the papers). Su'a-Filo will be gone I'm sure, but he'd be a cherry pick if still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 WR and OL have the biggest bust rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 WR and OL have the biggest bust rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 The graveyard of "can't miss" first round players looks like the Arlington cemetery. The numbers are frightening. Within 3 years, half the first round picks are already out of football, or bouncing from team to team for vet minimum. The whole draft is a crap shoot. Have to go with your gut and trust your scouts have done their job instead of staying at 5-star hotels, eating steak and lobster every night before spending 3 hours at the strip joint. I like Bitonio (and I think the Giants are high on him if you can believe anything you read in the papers). Su'a-Filo will be gone I'm sure, but he'd be a cherry pick if still there. Can't argue. These guys aren't just competing with each other: they're competing with all the players that are on the team already, the ones drafted after them, and are trying to stay healthy in the meantime. That's a lot of factors working against a typical player. WR and OL have the biggest bust rate. They're also drafted at a very high rate in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Bitonio seems like a Giants lineman. Tied with XSF for Third best shuttle time and had third best three cone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastershake Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 WR and OL have the biggest bust rate. Where did you get this info? And what rounds does this apply? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 they're also two of the deepest positions that teams have to draft for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman329 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I seem to recall a study a while back - and I'm not about to go hunting for it - that said high draft pick OL's are the highest success rate in terms of # of years as a starting player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I seem to recall a study a while back - and I'm not about to go hunting for it - that said high draft pick OL's are the highest success rate in terms of # of years as a starting player in the league. im going of of what i heard on thr dan patrick show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Where did you get this info? And what rounds does this apply? dan patrick show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 And Beckham has long arms, can pluck the ball out of the air in stride.the 49ers really coveted this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I seem to recall a study a while back - and I'm not about to go hunting for it - that said high draft pick OL's are the highest success rate in terms of # of years as a starting player in the league. This. OL is the safe pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I didn't look at much pre-draft, but I really like what I saw and read on Beckham so I'm pretty happy with this pick. The kid is fast, fluid in his routes and apparently is a real perfectionist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 not only is it safe but those guys play more years than most other positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 This. OL is the safe pick. yes just ask robert gallarey and alex barron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3VIN Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Maybe in theory OL is safe because it includes OG and C . OT might project differently. You can be a Ryan Leaf at LT and move into the OG position and be a serviceable guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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