Virginia Giant Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If he makes the Chiefs and annual threat like the Eagles but never wins a super bowl, is he a Hall of Famer? I havn't looked up the stats in detail but he does have a better Winning percentage than Parcells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I think he would be. On the flip side, if we do jettison Coughlin this year, I could see it being a very similar situation to the Eagles and Andy Reid... the sort of "you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I am of the opinion that from a coaching perspective, two things must happen to be hall of fame material. 1. You win a championship...at least one, if not two. 2. You leave a legacy...this can happen in one of two ways. Your 'coaching tree'...the assistants you've brought in, how have they advanced? Did they simply get canned or have they advanced to head coaching roles of their own? The second means of leaving a legacy is having some sort of offensive or defensive innovation...west coast offense, run and shoot, 3-4 defense, etc. Even the 3-safety defense we've employed, if we had more success with it as a team, could have been one of those innovations. But yeah, championships and legacy get you the hall of fame in my book. Andy doesn't meet the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I am of the opinion that from a coaching perspective, two things must happen to be hall of fame material. 1. You win a championship...at least one, if not two. 2. You leave a legacy...this can happen in one of two ways. Your 'coaching tree'...the assistants you've brought in, how have they advanced? Did they simply get canned or have they advanced to head coaching roles of their own? The second means of leaving a legacy is having some sort of offensive or defensive innovation...west coast offense, run and shoot, 3-4 defense, etc. Even the 3-safety defense we've employed, if we had more success with it as a team, could have been one of those innovations. But yeah, championships and legacy get you the hall of fame in my book. Andy doesn't meet the grade. Yeah, but Belichick doesn't meet the second... his coaching tree sucks. Of course, six Super Bowl rings does have the habit of getting you in, and the guy can scheme out of just about any situation. You could put a high school team out there on D and Belichick will figure out a way to hold the offense to 21 points. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Reid went into KC, assessed the talent and applied a scheme that played to the team's strengths. Coughlin, Gilly and Fewell should take notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 If he makes the Chiefs and annual threat like the Eagles but never wins a super bowl, is he a Hall of Famer? I havn't looked up the stats in detail but he does have a better Winning percentage than Parcells.No, it makes him Ron Washington. ( low blow, I was rooting for them last night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Yeah, but Belichick doesn't meet the second... his coaching tree sucks. Of course, six Super Bowl rings does have the habit of getting you in, and the guy can scheme out of just about any situation. You could put a high school team out there on D and Belichick will figure out a way to hold the offense to 21 points. . Coaching the latest form of a dynasty and the Patriot's plug & play mentality might qualify him as having a legacy. The ability to focus a gameplan around the players you have moreso than fitting players into a pre-existing gameplan (or obtaining players to fit your pre-existing gameplan) is somewhat, though admittedly not totally, unique. It's a stretch to fit my definition, I know, but you raise a good point with Belicheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 No, it makes him Ron Washington. ( low blow, I was rooting for them last night) I'm honestly happy they simply overcame another shitty September just to put themselves in that position over the last week or two. Showed some marbles. Washington has made some serious flubs this year, but he also had guys who should be in AAA starting games for a significant part of the year. He's done a great job with this team, I don't necessarily support firing him, but I would understand it. I would give him another year, try to resign Garza and give him the rotation he was supposed to have this year. Resign Cruz and scour the market for some bats. His greatest flaw though seems to be developing non pitchers. Elvis, Martin (both good players but not living up to the hype yet) Moreland, Olt. I'm really worried about Profar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Fair play to him, I hope he is very successful in KC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I'm honestly happy they simply overcame another shitty September just to put themselves in that position over the last week or two. Showed some marbles. Washington has made some serious flubs this year, but he also had guys who should be in AAA starting games for a significant part of the year. He's done a great job with this team, I don't necessarily support firing him, but I would understand it. I would give him another year, try to resign Garza and give him the rotation he was supposed to have this year. Resign Cruz and scour the market for some bats. His greatest flaw though seems to be developing non pitchers. Elvis, Martin (both good players but not living up to the hype yet) Moreland, Olt. I'm really worried about Profar. I thought after they caught that break on the trap, maybe the gods were smiling on them, but Price is a tough sob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Reid went into KC, assessed the talent and applied a scheme that played to the team's strengths. Coughlin, Gilly and Fewell should take notes. Reid was also smart enough to pick an underachieving team with talent. Both the Harbaugh did the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindgreed1 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Reid was also smart enough to pick an underachieving team with talent. Both the Harbaugh did the same thing. He was also smart enough to just coach and not try to run the whole team. I've always respected AR. Still do, but he just took on too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Reid was also smart enough to pick an underachieving team with talent. Both the Harbaugh did the same thing. LOL, seems like you don't like to give much credit to coaches. Kansas City has had years of terrible teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 LOL, seems like you don't like to give much credit to coaches. Kansas City has had years of terrible teams. My statement is giving credit to good coaches. The losing ways on those teams shows the difference between a good coach and a mediocre coach. KC had talent and should not have had such a terrible season. Then again having no QB is difficult to win with any coach. Cassell and Quinn as the starting QB is a cluster fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think he would be. On the flip side, if we do jettison Coughlin this year, I could see it being a very similar situation to the Eagles and Andy Reid... the sort of "you don't know what you've got till it's gone." Totally. As shitty as this season is, my biggest worry is that Reese runs Coughlin off the team and then ruins the last 5 years of Eli's career with his horrible offensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindgreed1 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Totally. As shitty as this season is, my biggest worry is that Reese runs Coughlin off the team and then ruins the last 5 years of Eli's career with his horrible offensive line. I'm with you on this one Joe. That is a very real possibility. And that would be a shame. I'm a football fan first and an Eagle fan second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Best costume ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Andy is a great Coach.....not such a good GM He inherited a lot of talent at KC and molded it. Unfortunately he was his own GM and that will cost him his HOF credentials unless he has a run here of a couple of SB wins with KC Who was that HC who won the Trophy? I can see his face but cannot recall his name......that was a great team that year Hank Fnnn STRAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 4 consecutive NFC championship games. 5 total Most GM's would hang their hat on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 We DO NOT have a terrible offensive line We have had no Running Backs this year Our Olines have won 2 Lombardies in 5 years Now that that Cipher Baas is gone we are doing fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 4 consecutive NFC championship games. 5 total Most GM's would hang their hat on that. And lost 3 of those 4...........usually blown out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 And lost 3 of those 4...........usually blown out But you said he's a great coach. getting there would be the sign of a Great GM and losing would be more on the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We DO NOT have a terrible offensive line We have had no Running Backs this year Our Olines have won 2 Lombardies in 5 years Now that that Cipher Baas is gone we are doing fine not sure why you're talking about the Giants here, but 'our' O-line is different at 3 positions than it was in Super Bowl XLVI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 He was also smart enough to just coach and not try to run the whole team. I've always respected AR. Still do, but he just took on too much. Agree 100%.....coaches should stick to coaching.....let the gm play bad cop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Best costume ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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