Not for nothing, but what the fuck is up with Jerry Reese?

[Sephiroth]

The guy ignores need positions every year (LB, OL) to draft fourth-stringers at other positions (WR, DE). But what's up with free agency?

 

Two years ago we got one guy... David Baas. Last year we got One guy and it was Sean Locklear. Why can't we sign an impact player? Last one we got was Boley and that was four years ago... where is all the money going?

[Tempest]

Remember, the team goes for the highest rated player on the board regardless of the position.

 

He hasn't been ignoring LB or OL. Problem is the linebackers don't pan out. Been hit and miss on the offensive line and I'll agree that he could do more to help the offensive line and should.

 

We have a lot of money tied up with veterans on this team. As for Free Agency, you mentioned Boley but forgot Canty also in 2009 and Rolle in 2010.

[Sephiroth]

Let's put it another way. You are Jerry Reese. If Reese had listened to some of us last time we did this we might actually be in the playoffs this year. http://www.sportswrath.com/index.php?showtopic=42112&hl=%2Bjerry+%2Breese

 

Here's what I would do:

 

Coaching - Gilly can stay, but Fewell is gone. Go after Romeo Crennel with all your might, and bring in Mike Sullivan to whip Eli back into shape.

 

QB - Eli is obviously ypur starter, but bring in a backup that can get a few wins if Eli goes down. I'd look hard at both Matt Moore and Chad Henne.

 

RB - we need a legit every-down guy to pair with Wilson. I'd look at a back in the draft, somewhere between rounds 5-7. Bradshaw can't stay healthy and you need feet to run.

 

WR - Keep Hixon and Cruz, develop Randle, sign Barden for insurance on the cheap, or get David Nelson cheap if you can't get Barden. Jernigan is gone, and Nicks should probably walk too.

 

TE - doesn't matter, Eli hates them.

 

OL - re-sign Boothe and Beatty for the right price. Go after Jeff Faine and slide Baas back over to guard. Get the best RT you can in the draft. Everybody else walks.

 

DE - JPP is your RE, Kiwi competes for LDE with Tuck. Ojomo rotates in a bit more with Tracy. Get a guy in the first 3 rounds to develop. Osi is gone (Tuck may be too).

 

DT - sign two fat guys for the veteran minimum and stop wasting cap space on the Rocky Bernards and Chris Cantys of the world. Joseph is your pass rusher, not fucking Kiwanuka at NT on passing downs (wtf)? Dwayne Hendricks gets a hard look.

 

LB - keep Boley and get rid of everyone else. Rey Mauluga comes in, and we (finally) draft an outside LB. Chase Blackburn comes in as a backup at OLB and MLB.

 

CB - Draft someone to back up Prince and Hoseley. Keep Webby but at a serious pay cut. TT is done.

 

S - Jarius Byrd comes in if we couldnt get any of the other FAs I mentioned above. Otherwise we go with Rolle and Brown, and draft a backup in the first 3 rounds.

 

K - someone with NFL calibur leg strength, please.

[Herc]

why should nicks walk? he has a year left on his deal after this one and played on one leg all season. he's our best wr and we wouldn't have a superbowl last year without him

[JackStroud]

David Baas was the worst move Reese ever made......the 49rs are still laughing about that one

 

Eli's whole game is stepping up, the draw (our favorite play Duhhhh) is an up the middle play.........Baas is as mich to blame for ourt demise as anyone.

[Sephiroth]

why should nicks walk? he has a year left on his deal after this one and played on one leg all season. he's our best wr and we wouldn't have a superbowl last year without him

 

I thought he was a FA after this season?

[JMFP]

Let's put it another way. You are Jerry Reese. If Reese had listened to some of us last time we did this we might actually be in the playoffs this year. http://www.sportswra...l=+jerry +reese

 

Here's what I would do:

 

Coaching - Gilly can stay, but Fewell is gone. Go after Romeo Crennel with all your might, and bring in Mike Sullivan to whip Eli back into shape.

 

QB - Eli is obviously ypur starter, but bring in a backup that can get a few wins if Eli goes down. I'd look hard at both Matt Moore and Chad Henne.

 

RB - we need a legit every-down guy to pair with Wilson. I'd look at a back in the draft, somewhere between rounds 5-7. Bradshaw can't stay healthy and you need feet to run.

 

WR - Keep Hixon and Cruz, develop Randle, sign Barden for insurance on the cheap, or get David Nelson cheap if you can't get Barden. Jernigan is gone, and Nicks should probably walk too.

 

TE - doesn't matter, Eli hates them.

 

OL - re-sign Boothe and Beatty for the right price. Go after Jeff Faine and slide Baas back over to guard. Get the best RT you can in the draft. Everybody else walks.

 

DE - JPP is your RE, Kiwi competes for LDE with Tuck. Ojomo rotates in a bit more with Tracy. Get a guy in the first 3 rounds to develop. Osi is gone (Tuck may be too).

 

DT - sign two fat guys for the veteran minimum and stop wasting cap space on the Rocky Bernards and Chris Cantys of the world. Joseph is your pass rusher, not fucking Kiwanuka at NT on passing downs (wtf)? Dwayne Hendricks gets a hard look.

 

LB - keep Boley and get rid of everyone else. Rey Mauluga comes in, and we (finally) draft an outside LB. Chase Blackburn comes in as a backup at OLB and MLB.

 

CB - Draft someone to back up Prince and Hoseley. Keep Webby but at a serious pay cut. TT is done.

 

S - Jarius Byrd comes in if we couldnt get any of the other FAs I mentioned above. Otherwise we go with Rolle and Brown, and draft a backup in the first 3 rounds.

 

K - someone with NFL calibur leg strength, please.

 

Agreed 100% with what you said.

 

This offseason, the front office needs to be absolutely brutal in terms of evaluating the performance and pricetags of every player on this roster.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

why should nicks walk? he has a year left on his deal after this one and played on one leg all season. he's our best wr and we wouldn't have a superbowl last year without him

 

Exactly...we should be keel hauling the Giants coaching staff for rushing him back in and also that fuck on the Browns who Flozelled him when he stepped on his foot. But if he was that fragile he had no business being out there.

[fishgutmartyr]

Let's put it another way. You are Jerry Reese. If Reese had listened to some of us last time we did this we might actually be in the playoffs this year. http://www.sportswra...l=+jerry +reese

 

Here's what I would do:

 

Coaching - Gilly can stay, but Fewell is gone. Go after Romeo Crennel with all your might, and bring in Mike Sullivan to whip Eli back into shape.

 

QB - Eli is obviously ypur starter, but bring in a backup that can get a few wins if Eli goes down. I'd look hard at both Matt Moore and Chad Henne.

 

RB - we need a legit every-down guy to pair with Wilson. I'd look at a back in the draft, somewhere between rounds 5-7. Bradshaw can't stay healthy and you need feet to run.

 

WR - Keep Hixon and Cruz, develop Randle, sign Barden for insurance on the cheap, or get David Nelson cheap if you can't get Barden. Jernigan is gone, and Nicks should probably walk too.

 

TE - doesn't matter, Eli hates them.

 

OL - re-sign Boothe and Beatty for the right price. Go after Jeff Faine and slide Baas back over to guard. Get the best RT you can in the draft. Everybody else walks.

 

DE - JPP is your RE, Kiwi competes for LDE with Tuck. Ojomo rotates in a bit more with Tracy. Get a guy in the first 3 rounds to develop. Osi is gone (Tuck may be too).

 

DT - sign two fat guys for the veteran minimum and stop wasting cap space on the Rocky Bernards and Chris Cantys of the world. Joseph is your pass rusher, not fucking Kiwanuka at NT on passing downs (wtf)? Dwayne Hendricks gets a hard look.

 

LB - keep Boley and get rid of everyone else. Rey Mauluga comes in, and we (finally) draft an outside LB. Chase Blackburn comes in as a backup at OLB and MLB.

 

CB - Draft someone to back up Prince and Hoseley. Keep Webby but at a serious pay cut. TT is done.

 

S - Jarius Byrd comes in if we couldnt get any of the other FAs I mentioned above. Otherwise we go with Rolle and Brown, and draft a backup in the first 3 rounds.

 

K - someone with NFL calibur leg strength, please.

QB--agreed

RB--agreed. We're still playing Bradshaw like it was 2009. And frankly, I don't think he was all-world then, either.

WR--Let Nicks walk? Nicks/Cruz is a damn good tandem. I don't follow why you'd keep Barden/Hixon--Barden is decent as a 4th maybe, with absolutely no special teams value. Hixon is one more knee injury away from retirement. Randle is a no-brainer. Everyone else is fodder.

TE--I thought Eli threw more to his tight ends this year since Shockey. I'm not sure that this was good news. None of them seemed to be able to block worth a damn, though.

OL--we need tackles. We did most of our rushing inside this year. Snee needs to pick it up.

DT--What is with the Canty hate? He's not exactly all-pro, but a good player. And running "NASCAR" all the time is doing nothing but wearing-down our DEs. It's become completely predictable, and taking some pretty good players off the field and replacing them with some fading players that are now out of position.

LB--I'm not sure there's anybody worth saving there. Boley is incredibly inconsistent--he completely disappears some games. I can't even remember the last good LB we've drafted. 90's maybe? (Before you answer, Jack, Blackburn was UDFA.) At this point, I wouldn't weep over the loss of any of them.

DE--Oy. Do you take your second best LB (Kiwinuka) and move him there, making your weakest position even weaker, or do you pray that Tuck magically returns to pro-bowl play?

CB--have to agree. Don't know what's going on with Webster. Wish we still had the Thomas of two years ago.

S--Brown looks a lot better than Phillips, no matter why.

K--I'm not sure why there's a gripe with the kicking game this year.

[Herc]

I thought he was a FA after this season?

 

nah nicks has a year left at 925k, cruz is a RFA after this season

[Herc]

since we're on the topic in this thread here's our free agents:

 

William Beatty

Travis Beckum

Rocky Bernard

Chase Blackburn

Kevin Boothe

Stevie Brown

Selvish Capers

David Carr

Michael Coe

Jim Cordle

Domenik Hixon

Sean Locklear

Kregg Lumpkin

Bear Pascoe

Ryan Torain

Adrian Tracy

Justin Tryon

Lawrence Tynes

[Herc]

RFAs are

 

Cruz

Bennett

Phillips (bye bye)

[BronxRik]

I'm moving this to the recently re-opened 'Special Hideaway' section.

[Sephiroth]

DT--What is with the Canty hate? He's not exactly all-pro, but a good player. And running "NASCAR" all the time is doing nothing but wearing-down our DEs. It's become completely predictable, and taking some pretty good players off the field and replacing them with some fading players that are now out of position.

 

K--I'm not sure why there's a gripe with the kicking game this year.

 

Canty doesn't suck, but he's a B, B- player making A+ money. Plus EVERYONE has run on us this year up the middle... Right at Canty.

 

My gripe witg the kicking game is the Eagles and Pittsburgh games, but I could live with Old Larry for another year if we had to.

[Nas]

The guy ignores need positions every year (LB, OL) to draft fourth-stringers at other positions (WR, DE). But what's up with free agency?

 

Two years ago we got one guy... David Baas. Last year we got One guy and it was Sean Locklear. Why can't we sign an impact player? Last one we got was Boley and that was four years ago... where is all the money going?

 

Didn't we sign Bennet as well?

 

I don't think second guessing Reese is worth it now... this team got old very quickly for no apparent reason.. the OL (Diehl and Snee in particular) fucking fell off a cliff... Webster too... KP is injured like all the fucking time.

[osi724dasack]

I'm moving this to the recently re-opened 'Special Hideaway' section.

Good call!

[Guest StrahansGap]

We won the fucking Super Bowl last year. This years schedule was atrocious. I'll never bad mouth Reese. It is what it is. Everybody plays their A game against the defending champs. It's the hardest sport in the world to repeat. Fuck it. Maybe we'll get a stud LB or DB in the draft....

[RandolphScott]

Canty had microfracture surgery in the off season. I'm willing to give the dude a pass as he was pretty fucking good last year.

 

I'm not sure why we aren't playing David Wilson MORE. He's obviously our most explosive back and probably the Giants best kickoff return specialist since Emlen Tunnell. Why Ahmad Bradshaw, who hasn't run away from someone since 2008 and some dude named Kregg Lumpkin are getting carries over him...well, I don't know. And don't give me "well, he can't block" because Bradshaw whiffed on blocks yesterday that nearly got Eli killed. He had the Giants biggest play of the game and quite frankly, he needs to play more.

 

David Bass sucks. Get rid of him. No idea what's up with Snee. Is it injuries? Getting old? I'd keep him, but it's pretty obvious we need interior line depth at the center and right guard positions. Sign Beatty and Boothe. Both are good starters. At this point, I think it's time to send David Diehl to the glue factory cuz the guy is finished.

 

Michael Boley had a horrible year sans the first 3 games. He's got one year left and I full expect Jaquian Williams to step in his place. I think it's pretty obvious that the Giants expected Mark Herzlich to take the reins from Blackburn at MLB. Well, that didn't work out too well. Mark seems like a great guy, cancer survivor and a hot girlfriend who's in the Navy..but I think he's just a special teams player now and Spencer Paysinger is better suited for that role anyways. Chase, I bet no one tries harder. But he just isn't a NFL middle linebacker and never really was.

 

The defensive line. I'll come out and say it, but JPP was out of shape this year. You could tell in his gut and the burst that was there last year, wasn't this year. He's 23 though and I have the utmost confidence that someone will kick his ass into gear.

 

Osi Umenyiora? Justin Tuck? See ya later, dudes. Nice knowing you. Tuck hasn't been Tuck since 2010. Osi just over pursued a pitch play yet again. Tuck looks like he doesn't give a fuck, too. No idea what's going on. I know he thought about retiring last year because of his injuries and deaths in his family, but I have no idea what's going on with that dude.

 

Kiwanuka should be put back on the defensive line permanently. He is best when his hand is in the dirt.

 

I really, really think that Eli got hurt in that San Francisco game and Hurricane Sandy and the Sandy Hook shooting really took a toll on him. I don't have any real basis for thinking that, but me thinks when we lose to Philadelphia next Sunday..you'll hear some stories about Eli and a injury.

 

I'll write more in a few days, but I've got beer and it ain't gonna drink itself. Have a merry Christmas guys.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

Yes I also think Eli is nursing a hidden injury...Merry Christmas man...

[JMFP]

QB--agreed

RB--agreed. We're still playing Bradshaw like it was 2009. And frankly, I don't think he was all-world then, either.

WR--Let Nicks walk? Nicks/Cruz is a damn good tandem. I don't follow why you'd keep Barden/Hixon--Barden is decent as a 4th maybe, with absolutely no special teams value. Hixon is one more knee injury away from retirement. Randle is a no-brainer. Everyone else is fodder.

TE--I thought Eli threw more to his tight ends this year since Shockey. I'm not sure that this was good news. None of them seemed to be able to block worth a damn, though.

OL--we need tackles. We did most of our rushing inside this year. Snee needs to pick it up.

DT--What is with the Canty hate? He's not exactly all-pro, but a good player. And running "NASCAR" all the time is doing nothing but wearing-down our DEs. It's become completely predictable, and taking some pretty good players off the field and replacing them with some fading players that are now out of position.

LB--I'm not sure there's anybody worth saving there. Boley is incredibly inconsistent--he completely disappears some games. I can't even remember the last good LB we've drafted. 90's maybe? (Before you answer, Jack, Blackburn was UDFA.) At this point, I wouldn't weep over the loss of any of them.

DE--Oy. Do you take your second best LB (Kiwinuka) and move him there, making your weakest position even weaker, or do you pray that Tuck magically returns to pro-bowl play?

CB--have to agree. Don't know what's going on with Webster. Wish we still had the Thomas of two years ago.

S--Brown looks a lot better than Phillips, no matter why.

K--I'm not sure why there's a gripe with the kicking game this year.

 

Don't mean to backpedal on Sephiroth, but I agree Nicks was banged up this year. Granted, this seems to be a recurring issue, but when he is 100% he is an impact player.

 

Also, Canty at least is a steady player, plus coming off an injury. He's a heads up guy.

 

Still, I agree with Seph in the main.

 

As far as Gilbride and Fewell are concerned, either they need to change their approaches, or they both need to get the fuck off this team.

 

I've said this before.....Eli and Gilbride are like Simon and Garfunkel.....and it sure wasn't fucking Garfunkel marching that team down the field at the end of the 4th quarter v. the Patriots in the Super Bowl......TWICE.

[Tempest]

Hey why don't you guys actually read that thread.

 

Saw plenty about who we should have drafted or signed but realize you have very little information to go on. I read all the time how we could have drafted this guy or picked up that guy in free agency. The draft is a crap shoot and free agency is all about how much money is available after you take care of your current roster.

 

You can rip the coaches and players all day and night for as long as they are Giants, won't change a thing. Now if you accept the coaches and the players, look at the season and see how it plays out. There were players who were expect to step up and didn't. Players who were expected to be in the lineup and were not. There were holes in the lineup prior to training camp and Reese tried to fill but that didn't work out.

 

Reese did his job and if I had to second guess him it would be releasing Ballard and signing Rogers.

 

One other thing...we're trying to improve the team and you want to shop around for a backup QB & another Kicker? We already have a backup QB, why spend more money getting another backup QB who will never play? Ok yes Tynes is suspect to downright unreliable at more than 50 yards but there aren't many who are better and you can't possibly justify spending more money in either position when this team is up against the cap and we can use that money at other positions.

 

The Backup QB didn't lose us a game. Tynes might have but considering what we've invested in the offense, we should not be relying on our kicker to win us games.

[JackStroud]

Its not Jerry Reese's fault here are your suspects-

 

Eli Manning

Tom Coughlin

Perry Fewell

Justin Tuck

JPP

David Baas

Correy Webster

 

plus we have lost a lot of time/talent to injury- the loss of Andre Brown probably cost us our season

 

If any of those 7 guys had earned their pay, we would be NFC East Champs.........I'd get rid of all of them except Eli and JPP

[Sephiroth]

 

 

Don't mean to backpedal on Sephiroth, but I agree Nicks was banged up this year. Granted, this seems to be a recurring issue, but when he is 100% he is an impact player.

 

Also, Canty at least is a steady player, plus coming off an injury. He's a heads up guy.

 

Still, I agree with Seph in the main.

 

As far as Gilbride and Fewell are concerned, either they need to change their approaches, or they both need to get the fuck off this team.

 

I've said this before.....Eli and Gilbride are like Simon and Garfunkel.....and it sure wasn't fucking Garfunkel marching that team down the field at the end of the 4th quarter v. the Patriots in the Super Bowl......TWICE.

 

Yeah I thought Nicks was a FA this year. It'd be ridiculous to get rid of him now, in a contract year... however, I still think we should either keep Barden or Hixon, or get Nelson on the cheap.

 

 

 

One other thing...we're trying to improve the team and you want to shop around for a backup QB & another Kicker? We already have a backup QB, why spend more money getting another backup QB who will never play? Ok yes Tynes is suspect to downright unreliable at more than 50 yards but there aren't many who are better and you can't possibly justify spending more money in either position when this team is up against the cap and we can use that money at other positions.

 

The Backup QB didn't lose us a game. Tynes might have but considering what we've invested in the offense, we should not be relying on our kicker to win us games.

 

It's true that backup QB didn't lose us a game but behind a line with two FAs (Beatty and Boothe), a guy who's career is probably over (Locklear), and two other guys that can't play worth a shit (Diehl and Snee), we'd better look now before Eli gets killed back there. David Carr flat-out sucks and he's a FA as well... and he's older and probably more expensive than either of the other two guys.

[Iceman_NYG]

The problem with the team is the OL and the offensive game plan. Fewell I dont care - but Gilbride has to go. He just has to. Ive seen Gilbride fuck this offense up too many times. He gets outcoached a little too often. The playcalling is atrocious, the personnel choice even more so. Our red-zone/green-zone horseshit has sucked since the beginning of time and we cant even fucking get 1yrd when needed. We need a beast at FB. An absolute beast. Go for Marcel Reese and pay him a lot of money if reqd. We need to look at FA for O and FA and draft for D - and a bunch of players to re-structure. This team is still wearing the ring - and its like the fucking ring from LOTR. It zaps their will to win.

 

I dont see how the Pats keep coming in year after year prepared and ready and we just skull-fuck our way to a few wins and then immediately get sodomized the week after.

[JMFP]

Hey why don't you guys actually read that thread.

 

Saw plenty about who we should have drafted or signed but realize you have very little information to go on. I read all the time how we could have drafted this guy or picked up that guy in free agency. The draft is a crap shoot and free agency is all about how much money is available after you take care of your current roster.

 

You can rip the coaches and players all day and night for as long as they are Giants, won't change a thing. Now if you accept the coaches and the players, look at the season and see how it plays out. There were players who were expect to step up and didn't. Players who were expected to be in the lineup and were not. There were holes in the lineup prior to training camp and Reese tried to fill but that didn't work out.

 

Reese did his job and if I had to second guess him it would be releasing Ballard and signing Rogers.

 

One other thing...we're trying to improve the team and you want to shop around for a backup QB & another Kicker? We already have a backup QB, why spend more money getting another backup QB who will never play? Ok yes Tynes is suspect to downright unreliable at more than 50 yards but there aren't many who are better and you can't possibly justify spending more money in either position when this team is up against the cap and we can use that money at other positions.

 

The Backup QB didn't lose us a game. Tynes might have but considering what we've invested in the offense, we should not be relying on our kicker to win us games.

1. If the draft is a crap shoot the team can save alot of money by putting one of us bozos in charge.
   
2. One of the reasons why the team is always in a cap bind is that Reese throws heavy money at non-superstars (e.g., Canty, Baas).
   
3. I don't unconditionally accept the coaches and players....I can expand if needed, but that's going into stuff discussed in other active threads.
   
4. You mentioned players didn't step up, players were injured, players that didn't work out.....well, that's Reese's job. It's his responsiblity to find players that will step up, and will work out. Unfortunately, we've had a number of highly-ranked players that have not, and that's on the GM. I also think we've had players like Wilson that have been misused and/or neglected, and I think that's the fault of the coaches.
   
5. Tynes had a large role to play in at least two losses this season, both of them pivotal NFC East games - Philly and DC. And he hit his slump right when the rest of the team was in dire need of someone to step up. I'd have alot more patience for Tynes if he could make something beyond 49 yards....if you can't kick a long FG, then you had better be reliable inside 40. The Giants can do alot better than Tynes without breaking the bank.