JackStroud Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Lost Arron Ross Brandon Jacobs Mario Manningham Devin Thomas Jake Ballard All of which made significant contributions to the trophy Have I forgotten anyone? Gained Martellus Bennet Our 7 draft choices I hope Jerry Reese has a few aces up his sleeves......we pick up some final cuts and free agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Everyone we picked up can and will out play everyone we lost... including our first 3 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Everyone we picked up can and will out play everyone we lost... including our first 3 picks. Who did we pick up.........Bennett?? Who else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Who did we pick up.........Bennett?? Who else? The draft Jack... Wilson has the potential to be a super start in this league... BJ was washed up and a shell of himself. Rueben will play at the same level if not better than Manningham who for each spectacular play had 2 or more boneheaded ones. And don't even get me started with Ross.. I fucking hated how slow he was to react to plays and was beaten down.. he wasn't a starter for a reason. When the fan is already scream at the TV when the ball is in the air and you still haven't reacted, you're not just slow, you're dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 I don't know, we seem to have a habit of sending playoff heroes packing Ballard, Thomas, Manningham I was appalled when we cut David Tyree.......its just bad Kharma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. P Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 Don't forget Rivers and Rogers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted July 14, 2012 Author Share Posted July 14, 2012 Thanks........I know a bit about Rivers .....Rogers looks like a pretty good pick up for a weak spot in our D line. and these DT are always going down with bad knees since they are so overweight so OK thats good Thanks, I feel a bit better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 We lost ST gun Derrick Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 We lost ST gun Derrick Martin. I'm sure Tom and Jerry have a plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Aaron Ross...was a pretty damn good #3 CB if you compare him to other teams #3. He was certainly good enough to take the 3rd option from another team. There were struggles against #1s, yes, and some #2s got his number...but he was not nearly as bad as what a lot of people made him out to be. That said, with Prince and Hosley coming in, I'm not too concerned about losing Ross. The Giants, with taking Prince, were preparing for Ross's departure. Hosley, is more for depth/insurance given T2's injury. Jacobs...this is a question mark. David Wilson has a ton of potential...a ton. But he hasn't played a down yet, so let's keep emotions in check here. I truly think the Giants got caught with their pants down on this one...but with Wilson, they yanked them drawers right up without anyone really noticing. We could struggle with the running game again and yours truly wouldn't be surprised. Ware/Brown/Scott...they haven't shown much consistency at all...so I wouldn't exude any more confidence in them over Wilson. Manningham...similar to Ross in that he was a hell of a 3rd WR. Sure, he had some boneheaded stuff, but at the same time, he had some really impressive stuff too. Again, he had the ability to beat most of the 3rd CBs or S in the league. So he really was of value. I love the R2 pick to replace him. With Cruz's deal coming up, Randel provides some leverage there as well if Cruz asks for too much bank. Either way, I'm comfortable losing Manningham given Randel. Ballard...this hurts...more for his knowledge of the playbook than anything...which I think is why Pascoe has been given the starting TE spot. Bennett, unless he really impresses, I think is a longshot to stick into 2013. One year deals, to me, are nothing but insurance. Come in, do a good job, hit FA again with an increased value. Good for the player, good for the team. Yeah, there's potential, but I can't say that I'm super excited for the potential here. After all, Bennett got beat out by Pascoe, our 3rd TE last year. That says something. Thomas...this one surprised me. Given his ST ability and the plays he made in the playoffs...I was all but certain he'd make the team this year. It wasn't just breaking a long return for the WR, but it was the hustle plays that our coaching staff seems to love that Thomas made, like his fumble recoveries. For a 5th or 6th WR, you'd think he could've stuck. I guess between Randel coming in and Hixon returning...there is a number of WRs you have to stick to...but I still might have taken Thomas over Barden and given injury history, maybe even Thomas over Hixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think the Lost of Jacobs is going to hurt. I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think the Lost of Jacobs is going to hurt. I really do. I think that the loss of Jacobs will be minor in comparison to the neglect shown to the offensive line. The O Line needed some upgrading in my opinion and really, we simply staved off the problem for another year when we only replaced McKenzie with Locklear. There are big question marks at both OT positions, that if not rectified, will prove costly. I understand that continuity is an undervalued attribute for an offensive line, but still, given their performance last year, it seems that we could've done a little more than we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think that the loss of Jacobs will be minor in comparison to the neglect shown to the offensive line. The O Line needed some upgrading in my opinion and really, we simply staved off the problem for another year when we only replaced McKenzie with Locklear. There are big question marks at both OT positions, that if not rectified, will prove costly. I understand that continuity is an undervalued attribute for an offensive line, but still, given their performance last year, it seems that we could've done a little more than we did. Salary cap and the fact that we have OLs in the farm being groomed as is. I'm inclined to believe the line sucked last year because it was Baas' first year and needed to jell with the rest of the line... BJ wasn't worth a roster spot anymore... and Wilson (granted hasn't played a down yet) is a huge upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Salary cap and the fact that we have OLs in the farm being groomed as is. I'm inclined to believe the line sucked last year because it was Baas' first year and needed to jell with the rest of the line... BJ wasn't worth a roster spot anymore... and Wilson (granted hasn't played a down yet) is a huge upgrade. For what we are paying him and for his being labeled one of the better centers in the league (at least he was marketed that way when he was a FA)...I don't believe there should have been as much of an issue integrating him as there was. McKenzie's play dropped off big time, our starting left tackle went on IR, and the left guard was in constant rotation due to the play of other positions. So it was a constant work in progress last year. I'm really hoping that the continuity of this offseason allows the line to gel. I believe too there are guys in the works, but I think those guys are Brewer and Beatty, the former who from what I've read, hasn't instilled a huge amount of confidence in anyone and the later, who was on IR last year with eye/back issues and may or may not be fully healed at this point, 10 days or so shy of training camp. Again, I think that there could have been some depth added beyond just Locklear. As for Jacobs, I think he still has another year or 2 left of solid play, expecially if the offensive line was more consistent. I don't disagree with drafting the RB, especially once it became apparent that Jacobs wasn't returning. But for the difference between what Jacobs wanted and what we were offering, I don't think that it was worth losing him. Sliding him to a backup role in the final year of his contract while giving the rookie more playing time...while Bradshaw starts...I feel was the better way to go. Leaving Andre Brown off the roster would have been completely accepable to me if talking roster spots for RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 Manningham is slotted as the 49rs 3rd or 4th receiver..........LOL It does not matter anyway, their QB is a STIFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Blaming Baas for the lack of rushing yards seems weak to me. How often do we even attempt A-gap rushing plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Blaming Baas for the lack of rushing yards seems weak to me. How often do we even attempt A-gap rushing plays? Not saying Baas was the whole problem.. but it's hard to make a cut when the DT is already in your backyard... Hopefully Baas comes around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Blah blah blah. Said it a hundred times already Baas was good down the stretch and in the playoffs, and we were better with him at C then with Boothe at C. Mainly because Eli knew where the shotgun snap was going with Baas at C. Additions you are not including, Jack, are guys that missed all of 2011 that will be back, like T2, Domenik Hixon, and Marvin Austin. Also guys that are wild cards like Bruce Johnson, Adrian Tracy, and Clint Sintim. Yes, unheralded guys, for sure, but guys that still have a chance of making an impact. You can be sure that nothing is static in the NFL. The individuals that helped win a Lombardi last season will be all over the map this year. Some will be injured, some will regress (hopefully not, but need to be realistic), and some will improve and play even better than last year. The GM and the coaching staff's jobs are to identify the ones that they see will do the latter, and shed the ones that are on the cusp of regression. I have more faith in the 2012 roster than I did in the 2011 roster, I will tell you that. I think we are a more dangerous team going into this season offensively, and on defense we can be even better, with good health. We have more quality at linebacker this year than last year, and it's year 3 of JPP, should start to see him enter his prime this year, a scary thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmenroc Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have more faith in the 2012 roster than I did in the 2011 roster, I will tell you that. I think we are a more dangerous team going into this season offensively, and on defense we can be even better, with good health. I agree here except for offensive line. We were shaky last season. A complete offseason will help, but we're still dealing with inconsistency in personnel given Beatty's in/out, Brewer in/out, Locklear coming in...I think that the inconsistency is on the outside and I never really thought that Baas was the culprit. I believe it all starts up front and that without pass protection or adequate run blocking...I don't know. Like you said, confidence is much higher going into 2012 than 2011. I think that's the effect of a SB win. But at the same time, the SB win can sugarcoat some valid concerns. Defense especially, barring injury, should be vastly improved. The run defense with 3 LB as opposed to 3 S should be significantly improved. Secondary, with T2's return, Prince's development, and Hosley coming in...should be better off as well. Coverage, pressure, and run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 The oline as a whole was shaky last year. I was critical of Baas near the end of the season, but he stepped up in the playoffs. Snee had a very down year. D2 played like crap at LG, K-Mac got really old really quick and Beatty had a complete freak injury end his season. Once the line got stable they played much better, but they're definitely a question mark heading into next season. I'd love to get back to the dominance of the 2008 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 You know, Snee did not play badly, but for his own standard that he set for himself it wasn't what we've come to expect. But you are right, K-Mac and D2 at times were abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm not worried about an offensive line that was already gelling like a felon at the end of last season, with injuries, and is returning a key starter in Beatty this season, with the whole unit healthy. Next to quarterback and defensive line, offensive line is my area of least concern. I've said it ten times on this board already this season, when have the Giants, ever, outside of maybe Kareem Mckenzie who they picked up when many people thought he was on the downside of his career, upgraded the offensive line unit with a key big-name free agent? I fail to see where the options were that we could have "tackled" the offensive line position to "shore" it up, or whatever it is we're talking about here that seems to be the concern. We grabbed Baas to do that like, last season. And we draft and groom lineman. Been doing it that way just fine for all of the 2000s. We drafted lineman to groom in this draft, anyway, like we do every draft, and like's been serving us well in the recent past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 And a guy like Mitch Petrus is a beast and could be inserted at any time if someone isn't playing up to par. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm big on Petrus as well, Storm. I think he can play any of the interior line positions. You have to think Boothe would slide into C if something happens to Baas again, and Petrus would take his spot and run with it. In my mind, we have a lot of quality inside with Boothe, Baas, Snee, and Petrus. I think the only place of concern is RT, really. Hopefully Diehl will play well over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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