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In the past couple of weeks, more and more mocks have the Giants taking Syracuse University DE Chandler Jones. A month ago, he was listed as a 3rd or 4th round pick, but has risen up the charts.

 

i'm not sure if I agree that Jones is the second coming of JPP, but I trust the front office to do their homework and have that keen insight to pick out untapped talent. Jones' combine numbers are interesting; however, I've watched most SU games in the past couple of years and I didn't see anything about Jones that stuck out as spectacular....but hey, I'm no pro at analyzing talent. The only SU player that really intrigued me all last year was an undersized TE named Nick Provo who seemed to always get in the open, could "take a beatin and keep on tickin" and had hands made of fly paper. Regardless....Provo isn't exactly lighting up the boards with chatter about his talents. He might be the best slot receiver in the draft, but is being evaluated as a 6'3" non-blocking TE. He'd be a steal if he was drafted as a slot receiver IMHO>

 

Anyway, here's an article from Big Blue View (Yahoo Sports):

 

 

Jones is a player that I've become increasingly convinced really intrigues the Giants at end of round one in the 2012 NFL Draft. Yesterday Ralph Vacchiano wrote up something about how Osi Ueminyora doesn't want to be a back-up and there has long been tension about his contract and his value. Osi Ueminyora's contract also ends after the 2012 N.F.L. season and based on the projected cap space right now the Giants well be letting Umeinyora leave via free Agency. Mathias Kiwinuka will also be a free agent and the Giants could be looking towards the future as they often do in the draft, and strongly consider a DE at the end of round one.

 

The Defensive end that fits what the Giants look for more than any other defensive end in this draft is
Syracuse DE Chandler Jones.

 

Jerry Reese has said more than once that the biggest indicator to pass rushing success in the N.F.L. is arm length.

 

Chandler Jones' arms measured in at 35.5 inches long at the combine. For perspective--Jason Pierre Paul's arm length is 34.75" inches.

 

Yeah, Jones arms are freakishly long. Tom Brady said during the Superbowl "it's like throwing into a forest" with the length of the Giants DE if Jones arms are nearly an inch longer than Pierre Paul's what does that make his arms? Skyscrapers?

 

At the combine Pierre Paul measured in at 6'5 270 pounds, Jones measured in at 6'5 266 pounds.

 

Below you'll find a comparison of the two players combine numbers.

 

Player A

 

4.71 forty yard dash, 19 bench press reps, 30.5" vertical, 115" broad jump, 7.18 3 cone drill, 4.67 20 yard shuttle

 

Player B

 

4.87 forty yard dash, 22 bench press reps, 35" vertical, 120" broad jump, 7.07 3 cone drill, 4.38 2o yard shuttle

Which combine numbers are better?

 

Player A has a faster 40 yard dash, but has worse numbers in every other category.

 

Player B seems to be stronger and based on the numbers more explosive, just not as fast.

 

Player A is Jason Pierre Paul. Player B is Chandler Jones.

 

Jones is longer, stronger, and more explosive in short areas than Jason Pierre Paul based on the numbers--to say that he might intrigue the Giants is probably an understatement. I think Pierre Paul though is actually more explosive on tape, so I was surprised to see how the numbers played out.

 

Yesterday,Mike Mayock came out and said that Chandler Jones is a mid-first round pick

 

It might get boring watching the Giants draft a DE what seems like every year, but be prepared if Chandler Jones is available at #32 as he fits the Giants profile for defensive ends because of his exceptionally long arms and plus athletic ability. The Giants also probably realize he won't be available in round two and they very well could end up drafting Chandler Jones, the DE out of Syracuse with the 32nd pick of the N.F.L. draft.
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I'd be happy with Jones, it'd be cool having a hometown guy on the giants.

 

You do realize this is "Chandler", not "Jon" Jones of UFC fame right? Just kidding....however, Chandler actually is the younger brother of UFC Champion Jon Jones so he's probably grown up around some pretty tough ass kids in which he had to fight or be killed.

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You do realize this is "Chandler", not "Jon" Jones of UFC fame right? Just kidding....however, Chandler actually is the younger brother of UFC Champion Jon Jones so he's probably grown up around some pretty tough ass kids in which he had to fight or be killed.

 

yes, and their oldest brother arthur is on the ravens.

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If we did draft him, I would think there might be something up with Tuck's neck. I wouldn't mind, especially if Osi starts with the whining again and they put him on the trade block. I still want Fleener, has my #1 choice, I think I might be sold on Jones being #2. A RB will fall to us at 64.

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I was never sold on the theory the Giants would take Coby Fleener in the first. If you're taking the best guy in a bad class with a first round pick, it doesn't sound like we'll be happy with him a year later. Really haven't been paying much attention to this draft class.

 

Another Defensive End? Sounds Great.

Offensive Lineman? Sounds Great.

A Healthy Full Season RB? They still make them? Because we definitely use one and we have none.

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I was never sold on the theory the Giants would take Coby Fleener in the first. If you're taking the best guy in a bad class with a first round pick, it doesn't sound like we'll be happy with him a year later. Really haven't been paying much attention to this draft class.

 

Another Defensive End? Sounds Great.

Offensive Lineman? Sounds Great.

A Healthy Full Season RB? They still make them? Because we definitely use one and we have none.

 

Because it's smarter to take the 5th best lineman....?

 

If you're at 32, it makes no sense to take a lineman when you're into 2nd round talent.

 

That's why Fleener, WR, RB, and DE all make sense. But I am vehemently against getting an offensive lineman in the first when the Giants develop line talent pretty damn well on their own. And if they hit years where they have holes, they sign a crafty veteran like Mckenzie to stop-gap for a few years. You just don't see them dropping picks on offensive lineman in the 1st. I personally think offensive lineman is probably going to be the WORST value at 32, anyway....it would be the anti-BPA.

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I don't think Tuck is an issue here.. he's the team's defensive leader and is a workhorse... and nor drafting C Jones hurt his feelings. I think if we go that route it's more of indictment that Osi gone (hopefully we get something for him now.. I'll take a 2nd rounder but that's for another discussion). Having said that I still think OT is our first priority followed by DT then DE. And the determining factor is who's the BPA available with the position of most pressing need being the tie-breaker.. OT takes priority imo... our running game was atrocious and drafting a rookie RB won't solve that problem... not to mention I think Scott is a star in the making.

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I think drafting a de would only mean that we just lost a rotational guy we have to replace and that osi and kiwi are on the last years of their contracts.

 

Spending a first round pick to replace Tolly is just dumb then, and if Kiwi and Osi leave we worry about it then.

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Planning ahead can be a good thing.

 

I could see developing a DE, but to me why spend a first rounder on a guy thats gonna sit. I wouldn't mind one later like Cam Johnson from Virginia. I also think OT is not on the radar, since they spent all last year developing Brewer. I don't believe there will be one worth selecting at 32 anyway.

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It really all boils down to what the FO thinks is this BPA.

 

I really do not think it matters what position they play.

 

They grade the players. And who ever sits at the top of that board when it comes time for them to pick thats who they chose. That seems to be the way they operate. So to say picking the 4th or 5th best o-lineman in the draft is not smart say over the best TE in the draft is silly. If the O-lineman is graded higher than the TE prospect get the O-lineman.

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I could see developing a DE, but to me why spend a first rounder on a guy thats gonna sit. I wouldn't mind one later like Cam Johnson from Virginia. I also think OT is not on the radar, since they spent all last year developing Brewer. I don't believe there will be one worth selecting at 32 anyway.

 

that's how I feel, too. I felt like that when we got JPP, too....but I was wrong about that, so I'm willing to go with it, if it's what they really want. It definitely is nice having 4 starting caliber DEs.

 

Tuck was a 3rd rounder, Osi a 2nd rounder, I would personally rather not waste pick 1 on a DE this year....

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It really all boils down to what the FO thinks is this BPA.

 

I really do not think it matters what position they play.

 

They grade the players. And who ever sits at the top of that board when it comes time for them to pick thats who they chose. That seems to be the way they operate. So to say picking the 4th or 5th best o-lineman in the draft is not smart say over the best TE in the draft is silly. If the O-lineman is graded higher than the TE prospect get the O-lineman.

 

that's the point. The 5th best tackle prospect ISN'T going to be graded higher than Fleener. Which is what no one seems to realize.

 

And I am going to go ahead and say that 7-10 or so lineman will go before we pick. If you think that is going to be BPA, you're

 

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What?

 

I fail to see why you seem to think improving the offensive tackle position is going to improve a running game that couldn't run UP THE MIDDLE.

 

In other words, taking a 2nd-3rd round tackle prospect at 32 is a waste of a pick, regardless....but if you're doing it to improve a running game that can't run up the middle, then I am glad you have nothing to do with the front office.

 

Off tackle is the one place we could run to last year (see just about all of Bradshaw's touchdowns and several of Jacobs)

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I fail to see why you seem to think improving the offensive tackle position is going to improve a running game that couldn't run UP THE MIDDLE.

 

In other words, taking a 2nd-3rd round tackle prospect at 32 is a waste of a pick, regardless....but if you're doing it to improve a running game that can't run up the middle, then I am glad you have nothing to do with the front office.

 

Off tackle is the one place we could run to last year (see just about all of Bradshaw's touchdowns and several of Jacobs)

 

Maybe there's a disconnect here... having a solid OL has everything to do with the running game no? (yes I'm sure you know that)... what you seem to imply here (at least thats what I understand) is picking a solid OL this draft won't necessarily improve our running game this year.. that I know and agree with but I'm talking about picking a solid player (OL maybe) who will have an impact in a year or 2.

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Maybe there's a disconnect here... having a solid OL has everything to do with the running game no? (yes I'm sure you know that)... what you seem to imply here (at least thats what I understand) is picking a solid OL this draft won't necessarily improve our running game this year.. that I know and agree with but I'm talking about picking a solid player (OL maybe) who will have an impact in a year or 2.

 

In general, your tackles are your pass blocking, finesse guys....at least on the Giants...I can't remember the last time we had a dominant run blocking tackle, man....obviously, they take part in run blocking, too, but a good tight end is more apt to improve the run game this year than a 2-3 round projected OT you pick up in the 1st....

 

If you can throw over the middle, you open up the middle for the run. If you have a good blocking tight end, that also helps the run game.

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In general, your tackles are your pass blocking, finesse guys....at least on the Giants...I can't remember the last time we had a dominant run blocking tackle, man....obviously, they take part in run blocking, too, but a good tight end is more apt to improve the run game this year than a 2-3 round projected OT you pick up in the 1st....

 

If you can throw over the middle, you open up the middle for the run. If you have a good blocking tight end, that also helps the run game.

 

Dave Diehl had a few real good seasons run blocking. Never really wanted that guy in pass protection though.

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Dave Diehl had a few real good seasons run blocking. Never really wanted that guy in pass protection though.

 

that's true, he's a dude who got his knocks nearly everywhere on the interior, though....

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