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Allstarjim

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LOL, SportsNation Poll on ESPN... What should the Saints punishment be, fine, suspension of players, forfeiture of draft picks, all of the above, or none of the above. Check out the map:

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=134505

 

State of Louisiana is the lone one that's like... "erm, just a fine please? Please don't take our draft picks, pretty please?"

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TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt

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LOL, SportsNation Poll on ESPN... What should the Saints punishment be, fine, suspension of players, forfeiture of draft picks, all of the above, or none of the above. Check out the map:

 

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=134505

 

State of Louisiana is the lone one that's like... "erm, just a fine please? Please don't take our draft picks, pretty please?"

 

I do think the bloom is off of the rose. :P

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BlueInCanada

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Why is this such a big deal? Plus, their defense sucked last year.

 

So lets say during the Saints game one of their D-line took a shot at Eli's knee and knocked him out for the rest of the year.

 

And instead of feeling sorry about it he got a nice little bonus because of it.

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State of Louisiana is the lone one that's like... "erm, just a fine please? Please don't take our draft picks, pretty please?"

 

Just to be fair, 'Fine' only won by 1% (31% total). 'All of the Above' was next at 30%. However, 29% thought 'None of the Above' was the correct punishment. Honestly, I would have figured 'Fine' to be like 90% or more.

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JMFP

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Williams is a protege of Jeff Fisher, who in turn was a Buddy Ryan disciple. Buddy was a complete scumbag, and he had a bounty system too.

 

I respect Fisher, but his teams always have had a dirty reputation.

 

As far as Sean Payton goes.....99% of his success depends on Drew Brees not taking a shot to his knee. He's got balls the size of church bells for turning a blind eye to a bounty program, while his own QB is getting the fucking Michael Jordan treatment.

 

The NFL is going to hammer the Saints. They actually warned them to stop, and the Saints GM blew them off.

 

 

http://sportsillustr...omis/index.html

 

Even worse, Loomis, according to the NFL's internal investigation and report, went all Haldeman and Erhlichman on us and decided to cover up the existence of the team's bounty program, first denying any knowledge of it to the league when the NFL looked into the allegations in 2010, and then promising to dismantle and discontinue such a program if he found such evidence. The league's report contains four very damning sentences regarding Loomis' response to the Saints' bounty fund:

 

"When informed earlier this year of the new information, Mr. Benson advised league staff that he had directed his general manager, Mickey Loomis, to ensure that any bounty program be discontinued immediately. The evidence shows that Mr. Loomis did not carry out Mr. Benson's direction.

 

"Similarly, when the initial allegations where discussed with Mr. Loomis in 2010, he denied any knowledge of a bounty program and pledged that he would ensure that no such program was in place. There is no evidence that Mr. Loomis took any effective action to stop these practices.''

 

In other words, Loomis looked the other way, and hoped the story would go away. He decided it was better to protect his team's coaches and players than to do his job and act in the best interests of the franchise and Benson. Maybe that won't wind up being judged to rise to the level of a firable offense in the Saints organziation, but to orchestrate the cover-up of a potentially embarrassing organizational misdeed will get your butt canned plenty in the corporate world.

 

Payton could be in danger, too, depending on how he reacts to the league's investigation. League sources say if he comes clean about his team's bounty program and admits culpability, the penalties he faces will be calibrated accordingly. But if he doesn't, and the league provides air-tight evidence that he both knew about the program and failed to stop it, he could risk alienating Benson to the degree that firing would be a possiblility.

 

 

So, now, they are going to send a message that will be heard around the entire NFL, at the ownership level.

 

Also, you've got to think the NFL Refs are going to be all over the Saints defense (and the Rams defense) next season on unnecessary roughness calls.

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Listening to Mike & Mike this morning, Golic made this sound like nothing more than an incentive laden contract. He clearly doesn't get the fact that there are things for which incentives are not appropriate. A sack, sure. A forced fumble, of course. An interception or a specified number of tackles or tackles for loss...absolutely. Causing someone to go off on a stretcher...yeah, not so much.

 

The point Golic was trying to make is that in his experience and to his knowledge, it didn't affect the defender's intent. The intent was to hit hard regardless, whether there was a bounty or not. I can understand that to a degree, but the bounty/bonus/incentive for causing an injury creates potential for headhunting, promotes illegal hits, and generally goes against what the league is currently trying to institute.

 

I guess it really doesn't matter. The Saints are going to, and rightfully so, get hammered.

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Listening to Mike & Mike this morning, Golic made this sound like nothing more than an incentive laden contract. He clearly doesn't get the fact that there are things for which incentives are not appropriate. A sack, sure. A forced fumble, of course. An interception or a specified number of tackles or tackles for loss...absolutely. Causing someone to go off on a stretcher...yeah, not so much.

 

The point Golic was trying to make is that in his experience and to his knowledge, it didn't affect the defender's intent. The intent was to hit hard regardless, whether there was a bounty or not. I can understand that to a degree, but the bounty/bonus/incentive for causing an injury creates potential for headhunting, promotes illegal hits, and generally goes against what the league is currently trying to institute.

 

I guess it really doesn't matter. The Saints are going to, and rightfully so, get hammered.

 

Darren Woodson just put a dagger in the Saints on M&M

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I think Fisher may want to start looking for a new DC.

 

The NFL has summoned Gregg Williams to its New York headquarters for a Monday meeting to discuss the pay-for-performance violations he committed while defensive coordinator of the New Orleans Saints and possibly while he coached other teams.

 

League sources said Williams will meet with NFL security officials Joe Hummel and Jeff Miller, as well as general counsel Jeff Pash. One source said it will be more of a "meeting" than a "hearing," and that with the league having done such extensive work on Williams' violations in New Orleans, the focus will be on his alleged infractions with other teams.

 

 

The Washington Post and Buffalo News reported over the weekend that Williams set similar big-play incentives when he was Redskins defensive coordinator and Bills head coach, respectively. Williams, who also has been an assistant for the Tennessee Titans and Jacksonville Jaguars, joined the St. Louis Rams as defensive coordinator after the 2011 season.

 

According to sources, Williams has been very cooperative throughout this investigation, after he and the Saints were evasive during a prior probe. Said one source: "He's been a stand-up guy."

 

One source said discipline will not be discussed at Monday's meeting. However, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would like to mete out punishment before the league meeting at the end of the month, giving the involved teams time to make staffing adjustments in the wake of any possible suspensions.

 

Citing a person familiar with the deliberations, The Post reported Sunday that Williams, Saints coach Sean Payton, general manager Mickey Loomis and players could be suspended, some for as long as half a season or more.

 

Goodell's focus during this process will be to institute a culture change, according to sources, with the realization that the problem isn't necessarily limited to Williams. Held up in league circles as an example of what's needed was former New England Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi's message last week that all players are "in this together" and need to "take care of each other."

 

Goodell has been in touch with NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith, sources said, and the league plans to continue working with the union on the matter. Goodell plans to ensure that players are culpable in these matters, too, and responsible for respecting the careers and lives of those around them.

 

League spokesman Greg Aiello declined to comment Sunday about the meeting with Williams when reached by NFL.com and NFL Network.

 

Aiello did tell The Associated Press earlier Sunday that the league plans to keep looking at plays from recent seasons in the wake of the findings against the Saints. Aiello said in an email that the NFL will be "addressing the issues raised as part of our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of the game."

 

The NFL announced Friday that the Saints maintained a "bounty" pool of up to $50,000 the last three seasons. Payoffs came for inflicting game-ending injuries, among other events.

 

The investigation by NFL security found that quarterbacks Brett Favre and Kurt Warner were among the players targeted. "Knockouts" were worth $1,500 and "cart-offs" $1,000, with payments doubled or tripled for the playoffs.

 

All payouts for specific performances in a game, including interceptions or causing fumbles, are against NFL rules. The league also warns teams against such practices before each season.

 

The NFL said 22 to 27 defensive players were involved in the program administered by Williams, with Payton's knowledge. The league already has interviewed Saints players involved in the bounties and plans to interview more in an effort to gather information and prevent further incidents, according to sources.

 

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt

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Can't hear this at work.. moved to a new office.. no speakers.. (woodson comments)

 

http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=7647096

 

He is doing a lot of excuse making and justifying it as a football thing...its not the intent to harm when a big hit is made or a guy is carted off.

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TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt

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This is basically going to end in a shit storm.

 

Either Williams is getting suspended or the Saints are losing alot of draft picks.

 

Maybe both.

 

It also looks like Payton and the General Manager are going to get some of the hurt as well...probably under the argument that it happened on their watch and that they had to be at least willfully unaware.

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