Balloonknot Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 http://www.csnphilly...0554&feedID=692 The Giants are getting ready to play for their second championship in five years and the Eagles will be watching. At home. There are, of course, many differences between the two franchises, but perhaps none stands out more than the recent history of the draft. See, while the Giants have continually nabbed productive players with their top picks, the Eagles have failed. You probably already know this if you're part of the group (with the pitchforks and fire) calling for Andy Reid's job. It might be painful, but here's a year-by-year comparison of the top part of the draft between the Giants and Eagles. We decided to take a look at the last five years, so we'll start with 2006. 2006 The Eagles used their first-rounder on Broderick Bunkley out of Florida state with the 14th pick. Bunkley started 52 games over five years for the Eagles. He recorded 34 tackles in 2008 and had a career-high three sacks in 2007. He spent this past season with the Broncos. With the last pick in the first round, the Giants took Mathias Kiwanuka as a DE out of Boston College. Kiwanuka moved to linebacker this season and had 62 tackles and 3.5 sacks. He has had as many or more than three sacks (Bunkley's career high) in each of his six seasons, including 2010, when he played in just three games. Kiwanuka is still producing for the Giants and Bunkley was OK in Philadelphia and isn't on the team anymore. Advantage Giants. 2007 The Eagles, in what has become all too common for them, traded out of the first round. They originally had the 26th pick. Instead, their first pick came in the second round, when they took Kevin Kolb with the 36th overall pick. Who knows what Kolb would have ended up doing in Philly? But he was shipped out to Arizona for a second-rounder and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. DRC struggled this past year but will likely be a starting CB for the Eagles and the Eagles did get a second-rounder. But is it fair to judge a pick based on what you traded that player for a few years later? Well, how's this to add insult to injury? When the Eagles traded away that No. 26 pick to the Cowboys, Dallas took linebacker Anthony Spencer. Spencer has had at least 50 tackles in each of the past three years and had six sacks this past season. Eagles linebackers combined for three sacks this season. They could have probably used Spencer. The Giants, in 2007, didn't trade their first-round pick. Instead, they drafted cornerback Aaron Ross with the 20th selection out of Texas. No, Ross hasn't set the world on fire. In fact, he played just one game in 2009 and one in 2010 but returned to start 15 games this season for the Giants. Ross is also the Giants' primary punt returner. Ross had four interceptions in 2011, more than any Eagles minus Kurt Coleman, who also had four. But remember, three of Coleman's INTs came against the Redskins in one game. The Eagles don't have Kevin Kolb anymore, they probably could have used Anthony Spencer and the Giants are still starting Aaron Ross. Advantage Giants. 2008 In 2008, the Eagles had the 19th-overall pick and traded out of the first round ... again. Then, in the second round, with pick No. 43, they traded down again. When they finally made a selection they took Trevor Laws out of Notre Dame with the 47th pick, in the second round. Laws has cool hair, sure, but has started just two games for the Eagles. Two picks later, the Birds took DeSean Jackson. OK, that's a good pick but we're not concerned as much with the Eagles' picks later in the draft. They're OK there. They just really seem to struggle early. Actually, in 2008, Jackson, along with seventh-rounder King Dunlap, were really the only solid pick the Eagles made. Remember Bryan Smith, Mike McGlynn, Quintin Demps, Jack Ikegwuonu, Mike Gibson, Joe Mays and Andy Studebaker? Don't worry, no one else does either. Maybe the Eagles dodged a bullet in 2008. The Panthers, using the Eagles' pick, took offensive lineman Jeff Otah, who has been injured and hasn't really been able to get on the field. But the Giants didn't trade out of the first round and they found a solid player. The Giants, who had a pick 12 slots after the Eagles, took safety Kenny Phillips out of Miami with the 31st pick. Phillips has started 15 games each of the past two seasons and and has recorded at least 60 tackles in each. He also had four interceptions this season, again, more than any Eagle sans Coleman. Phillips isn't great but he's better than Trevor Laws right? And Jackson has been electric but does he make up for that terrible overall draft? Advantage Giants -- at least with the first pick. 2009 This one looked great. It still doesn't look horrible. The Eagles took Jeremy Maclin out of Missouri with the 19th overall pick. Great! Maclin is really good. He caught 55 passes in '09, 70 in '10 and 63 in '11. He had 762 receiving yards in '09, 964 in '10 and 859 in '11. He has 19 TDs in his first three years. Awesome, finally the Eagles are going to win one. Not so fast. The Giants, with the 29th pick, took Hakeem Nicks out of North Carolina. If you'd rather have Maclin instead of Nicks, you simply haven't been paying attention. After a 47-catch rookie year, Nicks had a 79-catch and a 76-catch season. He's gone over 1,000 yards in each of the past two years and has 24 TDs in his first three seasons. Just when it looked like the Eagles made a great pick, the Giants topped them. Advantage Giants. 2010 OK, this is the one that really hurts Eagles fans. This is the one you already know. This is the one that keeps you up at night. With the 13th pick in the 2010 draft, the Eagles took defensive end (sort of) Brandon Graham from Michigan. The Eagles traded up to that 13th pick, which at the time, led most fans to think they were targeting safety Earl Thomas from Texas. Nope. Graham was having an OK rookie season, he had three sacks in 13 games before he got hurt and had microfracture knee surgery in December of his rookie year. This season, Graham played in three games and had five tackles. With the next pick, the Seahawks took Thomas. He's a Pro Bowler this year and a second-team All Pro. Oops. Here's another oops. With the 15th pick, just two after the Eagles, the Giants took defensive Jason Pierre-Paul out of South Florida. Pierre-Paul made his first (of what will likely be many) Pro Bowls and was a first-teamer on the All-Pro team this season. He had 72 tackles and 16.5 sacks. I'm not ready to call Graham a bust like some. He's been hurt and I still want to see him healthy. But, with that said, it's hard to imagine he'll ever have the impact Thomas or Pierre-Paul have. The Giants found a gem. The Eagles found a question-mark. Advantage Giants. 2011 The jury is still out on this one. The Eagles took guard Danny Watkins out of Baylor with the 23 pick. After being overwhelmed early in his NFL career, the 27-year-old played well. He was in on every snap for the last 12 games of the season. With the 19th pick, the Giants took cornerback Prince Amukamara out of Nebraska. Amukamara broke his foot in the second day with the G-men and didn't play until Week 11, against the Eagles, where he got his first NFL interception. According to ProFootballFocus.com, Amukamara played as few as six and as many as 34 snaps since returning from injury. It's just too early to tell on this one. Advantage, well, we'll see. But, it has been a disturbing trend for the Eagles, watching the Giants continually hit on their first-round selections, while they have continuously struck out. The Giants have gotten a few studs in the first round, but most importantly, have selected pieces for their team. It's part of the reason the Giants will be playing in Super Bowl XLVI and the Eagles will be at home, watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StrahansGap Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Interesting. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 The 2007 draft should be a MUCH bigger paragraph. I know were talking top picks, but the 2007 draft was pure genius by Reese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 is housed like hosed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 "2007 The Eagles, in what has become all too common for them, traded out of the first round. They originally had the 26th pick. Instead, their first pick came in the second round, when they took Kevin Kolb with the 36th overall pick. Who knows what Kolb would have ended up doing in Philly? But he was shipped out to Arizona for a second-rounder and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. DRC struggled this past year but will likely be a starting CB for the Eagles and the Eagles did get a second-rounder. But is it fair to judge a pick based on what you traded that player for a few years later? Well, how's this to add insult to injury? When the Eagles traded away that No. 26 pick to the Cowboys, Dallas took linebacker Anthony Spencer. Spencer has had at least 50 tackles in each of the past three years and had six sacks this past season. Eagles linebackers combined for three sacks this season. They could have probably used Spencer. The Giants, in 2007, didn't trade their first-round pick. Instead, they drafted cornerback Aaron Ross with the 20th selection out of Texas. No, Ross hasn't set the world on fire. In fact, he played just one game in 2009 and one in 2010 but returned to start 15 games this season for the Giants. Ross is also the Giants' primary punt returner. Ross had four interceptions in 2011, more than any Eagles minus Kurt Coleman, who also had four. But remember, three of Coleman's INTs came against the Redskins in one game. The Eagles don't have Kevin Kolb anymore, they probably could have used Anthony Spencer and the Giants are still starting Aaron Ross. Advantage Giants." this is the definition of spin. spencer is nothing special. 50 tackles? big fucking deal. the eagles led the league in sacks this season, so no the eagles couldn't have used anthony spencer, and rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than aaron ross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 this is the definition of spin. spencer is nothing special. 50 tackles? big fucking deal. the eagles led the league in sacks this season, so no the eagles couldn't have used anthony spencer, and rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than aaron ross Totally.. for a first rounder, Ross is a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 That and Spencer is a 3-4 linebacker. Eagles run a 4-3. Square peg, round hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 All the numbers seems all nice and dandy. But it's somewhat bias. It shouldn't just compare ONLY the first round but the entire draft cuz I rather have a stud pick in the later rounds for cheaper rookie contract than a first rounder. Especially before the new bargain agreement where first rounders are holding a team ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Reese is a beast. And I love the Ross haters! Lol get a clue, the guy is good enough. He's not Revis or anything but the guy is decent. If i watched a Giants game with nas, I might just flip out and wither tell him to leave or just punch him in the face. Can't stand fans that just don't have a clue most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 this is the definition of spin. spencer is nothing special. 50 tackles? big fucking deal. the eagles led the league in sacks this season, so no the eagles couldn't have used anthony spencer, and rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than aaron ross I stopped reading right there. A 3-4 LB had more sacks than 4-3 LBs? No shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balloonknot Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 It was written by a Philly Sports columist... What do expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Reese is a beast. And I love the Ross haters! Lol get a clue, the guy is good enough. He's not Revis or anything but the guy is decent. If i watched a Giants game with nas, I might just flip out and wither tell him to leave or just punch him in the face. Can't stand fans that just don't have a clue most of the time. Is he worth a first rounder? or even a 2nd? Thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Is he worth a first rounder? or even a 2nd? Thanks for playing. Yes, he is. He's not a guy that can't play in this league. Is he as good as we would've liked? No. But he sure isn't a complete bust. The guy was a huge contributor in our 07 run, and he's a huge reason why we are here today. When T2 went down with the knee injury, Ross stepped up, stayed healthy, and has done his job to the level expected of him this season. Guys had some rough moments, but without him our CBs would be a disaster this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I think he plays well in SB42. He plays a good game and then all the sudden his F/a contract gains $10 million guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 i have no beef with ross. all i said was that rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 i have no beef with ross. all i said was that rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than him i hear what you're saying but i think you could flip that sentence around and there would be a split down the middle on that opinion....at least recent play over the second half of the season.... Osi's right, Ross has had a hell of a season. He had a rough start but came back and played at a high level for Terrell Thomas and he was doing it only playing 2 games the last two seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Ross is a-ok in my books. Better him than some dude that's a total bust. I would say he's worth a second rounder. He has speed and dose deal with shoulder injury almost every year. Comparing him with top 10 CB in the league is unfair cuz he's simply ain't one of those. But he has done above avg for us and you can't take that away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ross is a-ok in my books. Better him than some dude that's a total bust. I would say he's worth a second rounder. He has speed and dose deal with shoulder injury almost every year. Comparing him with top 10 CB in the league is unfair cuz he's simply ain't one of those. But he has done above avg for us and you can't take that away. Ross has been playing ok.. the dispute is he's not playing at a 1st rounder level.. not a complete bust but a disappointment given his draft position... I'm sure many teams have those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 i have no beef with ross. all i said was that rodgers-cromartie is arguably better than him DRC is talented but he doesnt give a rats ass. The Cardinals basically said we will give you picks for Kolb and oh would you mind just taking Drc off our hands, we just really dont want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Ross has been playing ok.. the dispute is he's not playing at a 1st rounder level.. not a complete bust but a disappointment given his draft position... I'm sure many teams have those. Yawn. Get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman_NYG Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Anyone who has a problem with Ross dont remember the stellar CB due of Will Allen and Will Peterson that we had Remember the saying - "Where there is a Will, there is a completion". Ross isnt great, but we could do a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Anyone who has a problem with Ross dont remember the stellar CB due of Will Allen and Will Peterson that we had Remember the saying - "Where there is a Will, there is a completion". Ross isnt great, but we could do a lot worse. YES SIRRRRRR!!!!.... GREAT POINT.!!! Nas - seriously, we all want a top 5 CB on our team but so does the other 31 teams. I'll be happy with a guy from the first round that can still play at a avg level than a BUST from the same round... Besides i'm not expecting Ross to shut down guys like Megatron, Roddy White or Andre JOhnson. Not even the elite can do that i'll be happy if he can just hang with them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashTalker92 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Anyone who has a problem with Ross dont remember the stellar CB due of Will Allen and Will Peterson that we had Remember the saying - "Where there is a Will, there is a completion". Ross isnt great, but we could do a lot worse. YES SIRRRRRR!!!!.... GREAT POINT.!!! Nas - seriously, we all want a top 5 CB on our team but so does the other 31 teams. I'll be happy with a guy from the first round that can still play at a avg level than a BUST from the same round... Besides i'm not expecting Ross to shut down guys like Megatron, Roddy White or Andre JOhnson. Not even the elite can do that i'll be happy if he can just hang with them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 We do have a top 5 CB... Webster. Ross is a very good #2 CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 didn't they snatch up the great Jerome McDougall the year we drafted the equally great William Joseph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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