Who goes?

[gmenroc]

How many games do we have to sit through and watch Fewell give up 400+ yards and or 30+ points until Mara sees this defense sucks ass. Unless there is pressure on the QB every play the DB's get used.

 

Just a few more against the likes of Grossmen...be patient....j/k

[mastershake]

To give the DT's and D-Line in general the benefit of the doubt, aside from the injuries to the DE's, a major reason the run defense is bad is because of a lack of good LBs behind them.

[Treehugger]

To give the DT's and D-Line in general the benefit of the doubt, aside from the injuries to the DE's, a major reason the run defense is bad is because of a lack of good LBs behind them.

They're getting blasted off the line of scrimmage though.

[Herc]

i think we shoudl give ballard and prince more time considering their experience level but it's tough to disagree with most of your list--especially ware. god i hate that guy. it's so easy to find running backs in 2011 and this bum is somehow getting touches for us

[JMFP]

See, this is one of the things I don't get when it comes to Tuck. We have FOUR staring calibur DE's on the roster, and the idea was "well, you can never have too many pass rushers." So one is hurt all year, and instead of letting him rest, we start him so that he never feels better, "rotate" the other two (of which one gets hurt of course... Jerry Palmieri is part of the problem), and put one out of position at linebacker. Hell, we stick JPP at nose tackle when the other two guys are healthy where he makes exactly ZERO plays so that Osi can rush ten yards upfield and Tuck can limp two yards in the same direction.

 

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have two starting DEs, a solid backup, and a real, playmaking linebacker. I just don't get it... why have backups upon backups if you're just going to start a guy who's hurt anyway an play the others out of position?

 

Seph, this mystifies me too. And they did this a couple years back (Flozell Adams cheap shot).....they played a 60% effective Tuck, which was worse than starting a backup.

 

Regarding LB......100% of that falls on Reese. This is something that could have been handled in Free Agency, or the Draft, and is entirely on him.

 

Reese needs to swallow his pride, admit his mistakes, and cut as much cap room as he possibly can next season (subject to whatever larded up contracts he is bound to, of course), or else he should pack his bags, too.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

This. Also, remember when everyone wanted to cut Webster. Give the kid a chance. His first snap in the NFL resulted in a pick, which is the same number of picks Rolle has had all season as a starter.

 

But to be honest I still don't think you can fairly evaluate any of our DBs while they're playing in Fewell's WTF scheme.

 

 

Ayup...and I was one of them....until he finally "got it" under Spags...who finally allowed him to play man...his strong suit and allowed him to press cover. I am very glad the coaches did not "listen" to me in this regard. But it did teach me that CB is the hardest position after QB to learn and do well.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

I'm not a fan of Manningham right now either, but that ball was a pick as soon as it left Eli's hand, no matter if Mario ran the correct route or not. As soon as the play started the DB ran straight to the corner knowing where the ball would be, as did every single person watching. Manningham would not have been able to get position. It's a miracle Eli wasn't picked on the same throw last week, any one of the FOUR times he went for it.

 

 

Its similar to a couple of seasons ago when a Giants opponent intimated that they knew Eli's tendencies in Gilfuck's offensive scheme and knew almost to a certainty where he would go on certain plays.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

See, this is one of the things I don't get when it comes to Tuck. We have FOUR staring calibur DE's on the roster, and the idea was "well, you can never have too many pass rushers." So one is hurt all year, and instead of letting him rest, we start him so that he never feels better, "rotate" the other two (of which one gets hurt of course... Jerry Palmieri is part of the problem), and put one out of position at linebacker. Hell, we stick JPP at nose tackle when the other two guys are healthy where he makes exactly ZERO plays so that Osi can rush ten yards upfield and Tuck can limp two yards in the same direction.

 

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have two starting DEs, a solid backup, and a real, playmaking linebacker. I just don't get it... why have backups upon backups if you're just going to start a guy who's hurt anyway an play the others out of position?

 

 

Agree 100%....back in the heyday it was George Martin....an older more humble/grateful version of Osi who was a pure pass rush specialist who came in on third down. Then you had the likes of Marshall and Howard during the second SB run. Both teams had excellent LB's with Taylor bridging both eras with Reasons, Banks, Hunt, Headen, Johnson and other guys who would be all pro's now. This zone blitz bullshit that worked for the Ravens all of one year has to fucking die. You never saw Marshall attempt to cover a back or TE out of the backfield because it took away what he did best ...stop the run and rush the passer...while asking him to cover...which he could not.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

i think we shoudl give ballard and prince more time considering their experience level but it's tough to disagree with most of your list--especially ware. god i hate that guy. it's so easy to find running backs in 2011 and this bum is somehow getting touches for us

 

 

Agree....No Ware would not even be allowed a ticket to the game if I was a coach...much less play for me.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

Seph, this mystifies me too. And they did this a couple years back (Flozell Adams cheap shot).....they played a 60% effective Tuck, which was worse than starting a backup.

 

Regarding LB......100% of that falls on Reese. This is something that could have been handled in Free Agency, or the Draft, and is entirely on him.

 

Reese needs to swallow his pride, admit his mistakes, and cut as much cap room as he possibly can next season (subject to whatever larded up contracts he is bound to, of course), or else he should pack his bags, too.

 

 

Well in his defense...the Sintim Project was an attempt at rebuilding at LB....

[Treehugger]

i think we shoudl give ballard and prince more time considering their experience level but it's tough to disagree with most of your list--especially ware. god i hate that guy. it's so easy to find running backs in 2011 and this bum is somehow getting touches for us

...and being sent out on deep routes!

[*SDMF*]

you r a liar sir

you n i talked much

 

He's not lying you dint show up here till a few weeks 3 at best before dallas and ny had there first game.

[Cowboyz]

He's not lying you dint show up here till a few weeks 3 at best before dallas and ny had there first game.

i bumped my first thread for you. search my username and read all of them. but don't pretend you know what you're talking about when you have absolutely no clue.

 

 

 

[fringe]

anyone who engages with the classless moron deserves what they get.

[boohyah]

I'm thinking these are the guys that are definitely gone:

 

DJ Ware

Jacobs

Osi

McKenzie

Canty (assuming we can recoup some of his contract; he fucking sucks and was never worth 49 million, but if we have to eat too much money we'll be stuck with him again)

Ross

Every linebacker not named Kiwanuka or Boley

Hynoski

Pascoe

The entire coaching staff

 

These guys will be on the team but will no longer be starters:

Ballard

Diehl

Blackburn

Either Rolle or Phillps (or maybe one gets cut)

 

Prince Amukamara is on a one-year notice. Jesus, he looks bad... and I mean BAD. Though I'm willing to bet Fewell could make Spider Lockhart look bad too.

 

 

Give Hynoski another year before dumping him, he might pan out. pascoe can stay on as a backup te, he's not a bad blocker.

 

I think Diehl will be the next to go. the offensive line has played a bit better with Petrus and Boothe blocking, especially on the run. Beatty will be back next year and then Diehl will have to move, and i don't think there'll be a spot for him.

 

Don't bet that this team doesn't think Ballard is the future starter, I agree with you though, I don't think he's a starter.

[JMFP]

To give the DT's and D-Line in general the benefit of the doubt, aside from the injuries to the DE's, a major reason the run defense is bad is because of a lack of good LBs behind them.

 

Agree 100%

[NightFire]

I'm not a fan of Manningham right now either, but that ball was a pick as soon as it left Eli's hand, no matter if Mario ran the correct route or not. As soon as the play started the DB ran straight to the corner knowing where the ball would be, as did every single person watching. Manningham would not have been able to get position. It's a miracle Eli wasn't picked on the same throw last week, any one of the FOUR times he went for it.

 

I almost posted this but Manningham did Manning no favours by breaking his route. If he had at least continued to the pylon the ball was slightly under thrown so it would have been a jump ball situation (which fades usually are) to Manningham's advantage. I will fault Manning though for throwing the ball at all because clearly Wilson was defending high and had perfect placement. Obviously Manningham saw this and broke low which would have made an easy TD if Manning hadn't chucked and prayed. At least Gilbride and Manning woke up and went right fade later.

[fishgutmartyr]

Seph, this mystifies me too. And they did this a couple years back (Flozell Adams cheap shot).....they played a 60% effective Tuck, which was worse than starting a backup.

 

Regarding LB......100% of that falls on Reese. This is something that could have been handled in Free Agency, or the Draft, and is entirely on him.

 

Reese needs to swallow his pride, admit his mistakes, and cut as much cap room as he possibly can next season (subject to whatever larded up contracts he is bound to, of course), or else he should pack his bags, too.

I'm not ready to give up on the rookie lbs yet. Way too much working against them this year to really assess them. I do want to see our LB coach hitting the want ads, though. In 5+ years, you mean to tell me that the single "success story" between him and Sheridan is Reggie fucking Torbor!? Maybe Goff, but after all the draft picks we've spent on LB? Something's wrong there.

 

Canty, Rolle, and Boley is the worst FA class in some time. Canty is OK, but not for the money. Boley dropped off the world after the first quarter or so of the season, and Rolle just isn't worth it. If it clears cap space, dump them. Trade Osi for a pick and spare change; he was utterly worthless this year, after all that bitching about his contract.

 

Fuck it. Get a real DC and LB coach and go 3-4. Our dline is a crippled mess AGAIN this season, we're ranked 30th, so there's no real reason to cling to the 4-3 anymore. It's not really a strength if it's only good half the year. Shit, the moron plays Tuck as a DT half the time anyway...and Kiwi as an OLB would be pretty damn sweet.

[fishgutmartyr]

I almost posted this but Manningham did Manning no favours by breaking his route. If he had at least continued to the pylon the ball was slightly under thrown so it would have been a jump ball situation (which fades usually are) to Manningham's advantage. I will fault Manning though for throwing the ball at all because clearly Wilson was defending high and had perfect placement. Obviously Manningham saw this and broke low which would have made an easy TD if Manning hadn't chucked and prayed. At least Gilbride and Manning woke up and went right fade later.

It's not so much that one play: it's a pattern that has gone on now for years. He's been in this system for four years, now. It might not be the easiest system in the world, but it isn't neurosurgery, either.

[Herc]

manningham shouldn't be running fade routes anyway