JMFP Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 If you mean "name the franchise the 'New York Blackburns' " then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hope they franchise Steve Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hope they franchise Steve Smith The Giants don't believe in franchising and considering they didn't extend his contract it's highly unlikely. It'd be nice but it's not going to happen. I get the feeling Smith will be on another team whenever the NFL starts up again. When the Giants barely make an effort to re-sign a probowl WR it's not a good sign. On topic Blackburn will be signed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echochamber Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 This is the most disturbing thread I have ever seen on this message board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Letting Steve Smith go would be insane.....Eli was lost without him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 This is the most disturbing thread I have ever seen on this message board I'm honored by this distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Letting Steve Smith go would be insane.....Eli was lost without him I think Blackburn has a bigger impact than Steve Smith. Special teams would be lost without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hope they franchise Steve Smith You'd want to pay him top 5 money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 You'd want to pay him top 5 money? Well considering how good of a person he's been about being shafted by the Giants he deserves the money even if it's only for one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share Posted February 9, 2011 Seriously though....Steve Smith is about as close to irreplaceable as it gets. Lost track of how many 3rd and 8 receptions this guy has. Fucking wheels fell off the passing game when he went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Seriously though....Steve Smith is about as close to irreplaceable as it gets. Lost track of how many 3rd and 8 receptions this guy has. Fucking wheels fell off the passing game when he went down. I kind of agree here with Joe.... but check this out: Assume the Giants could successfully take three options with the WR position. Option 1 - Resign or franchise tag Steve Smith. You go into 2011 season with WR rotation of Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Barden, Cruz (?) Option 2 - Let Steve Smith go and draft a 1st round stud... it's a great class for receivers, a big target like Jonathan Baldwin will probably be there at 19, and Julio Jones could fall to us. You could go into 2011 with WRs Nicks, Manningham, and say, Jonathan Baldwin Option 3 - Let Steve Smith go and resign Plaxico, and go into next year with Nicks, Plaxico, and Manningham. I think it's arguable options 2 and 3 could make our offense more dangerous... but nobody on the team has shown the hands and been the chain mover that Smith has been in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I kind of agree here with Joe.... but check this out: Assume the Giants could successfully take three options with the WR position. Option 1 - Resign or franchise tag Steve Smith. You go into 2011 season with WR rotation of Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Barden, Cruz (?) Option 2 - Let Steve Smith go and draft a 1st round stud... it's a great class for receivers, a big target like Jonathan Baldwin will probably be there at 19, and Julio Jones could fall to us. You could go into 2011 with WRs Nicks, Manningham, and say, Jonathan Baldwin Option 3 - Let Steve Smith go and resign Plaxico, and go into next year with Nicks, Plaxico, and Manningham. I think it's arguable options 2 and 3 could make our offense more dangerous... but nobody on the team has shown the hands and been the chain mover that Smith has been in recent years. I'l re-assert without Steve Smith Eli seemed totally lost As for Blackburn on special teams hes been better in other years.........the guy we miss on specials is David Tyree........letting Tyree go was criminal and one of the things that got me going on firing Coughlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Also arguable that options 2 and 3 are as bad as franchising Chase Blackburn. Plax isn't coming back and pulling down critical 3 downs and TDs. He'll be rusty and when the rust comes off he'll be ready to retire. IF we can draft one of those receivers, he'd still be a rookie and most rookie WR's just don't put up the numbers Steve Smith has every season so far. I kind of agree here with Joe.... but check this out: Assume the Giants could successfully take three options with the WR position. Option 1 - Resign or franchise tag Steve Smith. You go into 2011 season with WR rotation of Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Barden, Cruz (?) Option 2 - Let Steve Smith go and draft a 1st round stud... it's a great class for receivers, a big target like Jonathan Baldwin will probably be there at 19, and Julio Jones could fall to us. You could go into 2011 with WRs Nicks, Manningham, and say, Jonathan Baldwin Option 3 - Let Steve Smith go and resign Plaxico, and go into next year with Nicks, Plaxico, and Manningham. I think it's arguable options 2 and 3 could make our offense more dangerous... but nobody on the team has shown the hands and been the chain mover that Smith has been in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I definitely want Smith back but using the franchise tag on him is a ridiculous idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Also arguable that options 2 and 3 are as bad as franchising Chase Blackburn. Plax isn't coming back and pulling down critical 3 downs and TDs. He'll be rusty and when the rust comes off he'll be ready to retire. IF we can draft one of those receivers, he'd still be a rookie and most rookie WR's just don't put up the numbers Steve Smith has every season so far. That is a huge exaggeration, Tempest. Where to start. First, Plax would come back and pull down TD's right away because he's a physical freak and is not easily defended. The system hasn't changed much if at all since he left so he would come back and re-acclimate very quickly, probably only needing training camp and preseason ball to get the system back and be in football shape. He'll be 34 by the time next year starts. He's not a long term solution but if he came at a very reasonable price on a short term deal there's no down side other than the risk of him having a mental lapse again. But from a football standpoint, even a guy like me who is the farthest thing from a Plaxico apologist still respects that the guy is a dangerous receiver who would be a tough matchup week 1. Secondly, you said MOST rookie WR's don't put up the numbers Steve Smith has every season so far. Steve Smith has had exactly ONE big season. Steve Smith Career Stats Now, I do think Steve would've had a nice season for us this past year if he had stayed healthy, but even in his career year, he's wasn't the redzone threat this team really needs on the outside. I'm a huge Steve Smith fan, I really am. I think Steve would be a phenomenal slot receiver in our offense. But the likelihood is that he is going to command a much larger salary than what is justifiable for a slot receiver, so we have to consider his football worth comparative to what he is likely to cost financially. Believe me, I think Steve has the best hands the team has had in a long time. I love Steve. To your other point about rookie receivers... I mostly agree. But every year, there are several receivers in each rookie class that make huge contributions right away. I would not advocate this strategy unless I thought that the receiver that could be available would be one of those receivers. I think Julio Jones is going to be a superstar, and he's going to get there quickly. I believe he would be a big matchup problem and a redzone threat right away. I also think Jonathan Baldwin has a chance to be that kind of player also. Here are some players that made big impacts the rookie seasons out of the past few years: 2010 Mike Williams TB Dez Bryant 2009 Austin Collie Percy Harvin Jeremy Maclin Hakeem Nicks 2008 Eddie Royal DeSean Jackson 2007 Dwayne Bowe Calvin Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 We get to see if Cruz is for real this year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 If by "franchise," you mean "re-name the franchise the 'New York Blackburns," then the answer is yes. It's a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think Blackburn has a bigger impact than Steve Smith. Special teams would be lost without him. A big "What if"...but what if Blackburn was the driver of the lead German tank during the battle of Stalingard.....when would Stalingard have fallen? a. Day 5 b. The day before the attack based strictly on the rumor that Blackburn would be in the lead tank. c. Five months later...hey..he's Blackburn...not God. Close...but not divine. Answer We'll never know..but the those commie fucks are sooooo lucky he wasn't there cause he would have got his "beat on". C. Wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 A big "What if"...but what if Blackburn was the driver of the lead German tank during the battle of Stalingard.....when would Stalingard have fallen? a. Day 5 b. The day before the attack based strictly on the rumor that Blackburn would be in the lead tank. c. Five months later...hey..he's Blackburn...not God. Close...but not divine. Answer We'll never know..but the those commie fucks are sooooo lucky he wasn't there cause he would have got his "beat on". C. Wagon. I think Blackburn would have realized that if he invaded in March...and not OCTOBER....he'd have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStroud Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think Blackburn would have realized that if he invaded in March...and not OCTOBER....he'd have won. didn't Steve Smith set a franchise record for receptions and go to the Pro Bowl a year ago sometimes you guys are so off base its ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 I think Blackburn would have realized that if he invaded in March...and not OCTOBER....he'd have won. ......hey....we're talking about 57...not the coaching staff Golf. C. Waggon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 didn't Steve Smith set a franchise record for receptions and go to the Pro Bowl a year ago sometimes you guys are so off base its ludicrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jranieli Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Stone Cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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