What the Giants need to do...

[Allstarjim]

I'm still really pissed and really bummed about how this season ended. I think we are so close to being a dominating team, particularly in the NFC. But there are absolute deficiencies that need to be corrected and things that could improve.

 

The biggest killer this year was our offense, and even though some people will say the defense because of the Philly game, Green Bay game, and the early season Indy game, the fact is that our offense was a huge factor in us losing in all 3 of those games, and I would say only in the Green Bay game was the defense a bigger liability than the offense.

 

It's obvious to me at this point that Kevin Gilbride is returning. While I am not a fan, I do think he's a smart coach capable of making some improvements. Of course, I don't think he will really change a whole lot, because I've seen too many years of him at this point and he is what he is. But here goes anyway...

 

1) Re-sign Kevin Boss, but draft his replacement. Boss is a good TE. He is a good receiver most of the time and blocks well enough. But I have my eye on a TE in this draft. While I am a fan of TE Kyle Rudolph from Notre Dame who projects to be a first rounder, he has had a lot of missed games due to injuries and he is still likely going in the first round. I think that's a gamble not worth taking. So instead, I give you Luke Stocker, TE from Tennessee, who finished 2010 with his 38th consecutive start, and was third the team in catches and yards. He is similar in size to Rudolph as well and should project to be a good blocker in the NFL (6'6", 253). He will likely be drafted in the 2nd and possibly even the 3rd round.

 

2) It may be time to think about parting ways with Brandon Jacobs. At times, he was unstoppable this year and that can't be ignored. But he was a malcontent this year, throwing his helmet into the stands, threw a fit over losing the starting job, and shooting his mouth off. And that's besides the constant dropped passes and the few fumbles he had that hurt us badly this year. I'm a Brandon Jacobs fan, but we might be able to get a pick for him by trading him now, and look at drafting a running back to pair with Bradshaw next year (yes, I say re-sign him). I love Mikel Leshoure of Illinois.

 

3) If it comes down to it, I would like to see Devin Thomas stay on this team over someone like say, Ramses Barden, and I think he can be the type of lightning rod we lack, particularly in the return game. I'd also like to see more 3 WR sets with Nicks, Smith, and Manningham. I think Mario really showed some big play ability when he was called upon and it could be his time to step up and put up big numbers as well as the other guys.

 

4) The offense needs to go no huddle a lot more. Let Eli call his own plays for a drive or two minimum, every game. He's getting the big paycheck, and he can shoulder that load.

 

I do not think we need an offensive line retooling or shuffling, I think we have a great mix of veterans and youth and we don't need to change a thing this year except get healthy.

 

5) On defense, re-sign Kiwanuka and Cofield. I don't know if it can happen, particularly in Kiwi's case, but we are likely not going to be able to draft a player of their calibers. Kiwi should be the starting strongside linebacker next year and I think he's athletic enough to handle it. He can also rotate in the DL on passing downs similar to how Fewell used him this year. But for goodness sake, please draft a linebacker, preferably in round 1, like Von Miller, and I don't care if they have to trade up to do it. Even though I think Miller is more of an outside linebacker type, you can put him at any spot and he will excel. I really hope we get this guy, and our defense will go to new heights.

 

6) Get more competition at corner in this draft. I would like to see our 2nd to 4th rounder be used on a CB. I like Webby and TT, and Ross is a good nickel, I think. But after that we are seriously screwed so when we have injuries, we are ripe for the picking in pass defense. We have to get a guy that will push Ross at the nickel or even Thomas, and even if he doesn't beat those guys, he will be valuable insurance when we need him.

 

This team doesn't need a whole lot at personnel. We are only a couple of pieces away with some good coaching. Those pieces to me at least are RB, TE, KR, and LBer. Everything else I wouldn't even touch.

[fishgutmartyr]

Agree with most of this.

 

It depends on what you sign Boss for, though. The guy has taken some beatings, and I don't think he's going to have a long career. Definitely draft his replacement--I don't think Beckum really fits what we need.

 

Do you really think Jacobs was that bad? Yeah, he's a hot-head, and throwing a helmet into the stands isn't exactly professional; but on a whole, I thought he took not being a starter pretty damn well. No constant trade demands, no sulking, supported Bradshaw despite the loss of position, etc. And we've been in need of a pass-catching back since Ward left, since no one is going to confuse Bradshaw with Barber, either. I'm surprised we didn't pass that much to Pascoe this year, since he's effectively a 3rd tight end when he's on the field.

 

Definitely sign Cofield. Kiwi, I'm mixed on. He could be a good linebacker, but did you notice that both times he wound up on IR, he was playing primarily a linebacker role? I'm not saying he's bad at it or he's cursed, and it may be a coincidence. But you have to wonder if starting in that position (and beginning plays in an upright stance) is setting him up for a shorter career. I think it's a moot point, though: I'm betting he goes to the first team that gives him a starting DE gig.

[JackStroud]

Gilbride needs to stop fumbling

 

 

when picking up Coughlin's smashed clip board LOL

[BronxRik]

The Giants would be 19-0 and Eli would be 'elite' if Jack stopped posting forever.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, special teams need serious.....serious........work. Dodge may pan out, but even when he was 'on', coverage sucked mule balls. Bring Feagles in as ST coach. Fuck, dig up my dearly departed grandmother and make her the ST coach. Anyone has to be better than what we've got.

[JackStroud]

I'm still really pissed and really bummed about how this season ended. I think we are so close to being a dominating team, particularly in the NFC. But there are absolute deficiencies that need to be corrected and things that could improve.

 

The biggest killer this year was our offense, and even though some people will say the defense because of the Philly game, Green Bay game, and the early season Indy game, the fact is that our offense was a huge factor in us losing in all 3 of those games, and I would say only in the Green Bay game was the defense a bigger liability than the offense.

 

It's obvious to me at this point that Kevin Gilbride is returning. While I am not a fan, I do think he's a smart coach capable of making some improvements. Of course, I don't think he will really change a whole lot, because I've seen too many years of him at this point and he is what he is. But here goes anyway...

 

1) Re-sign Kevin Boss, but draft his replacement. Boss is a good TE. He is a good receiver most of the time and blocks well enough. But I have my eye on a TE in this draft. While I am a fan of TE Kyle Rudolph from Notre Dame who projects to be a first rounder, he has had a lot of missed games due to injuries and he is still likely going in the first round. I think that's a gamble not worth taking. So instead, I give you Luke Stocker, TE from Tennessee, who finished 2010 with his 38th consecutive start, and was third the team in catches and yards. He is similar in size to Rudolph as well and should project to be a good blocker in the NFL (6'6", 253). He will likely be drafted in the 2nd and possibly even the 3rd round.

 

2) It may be time to think about parting ways with Brandon Jacobs. At times, he was unstoppable this year and that can't be ignored. But he was a malcontent this year, throwing his helmet into the stands, threw a fit over losing the starting job, and shooting his mouth off. And that's besides the constant dropped passes and the few fumbles he had that hurt us badly this year. I'm a Brandon Jacobs fan, but we might be able to get a pick for him by trading him now, and look at drafting a running back to pair with Bradshaw next year (yes, I say re-sign him). I love Mikel Leshoure of Illinois.

 

3) If it comes down to it, I would like to see Devin Thomas stay on this team over someone like say, Ramses Barden, and I think he can be the type of lightning rod we lack, particularly in the return game. I'd also like to see more 3 WR sets with Nicks, Smith, and Manningham. I think Mario really showed some big play ability when he was called upon and it could be his time to step up and put up big numbers as well as the other guys.

 

4) The offense needs to go no huddle a lot more. Let Eli call his own plays for a drive or two minimum, every game. He's getting the big paycheck, and he can shoulder that load.

 

I do not think we need an offensive line retooling or shuffling, I think we have a great mix of veterans and youth and we don't need to change a thing this year except get healthy.

 

5) On defense, re-sign Kiwanuka and Cofield. I don't know if it can happen, particularly in Kiwi's case, but we are likely not going to be able to draft a player of their calibers. Kiwi should be the starting strongside linebacker next year and I think he's athletic enough to handle it. He can also rotate in the DL on passing downs similar to how Fewell used him this year. But for goodness sake, please draft a linebacker, preferably in round 1, like Von Miller, and I don't care if they have to trade up to do it. Even though I think Miller is more of an outside linebacker type, you can put him at any spot and he will excel. I really hope we get this guy, and our defense will go to new heights.

 

6) Get more competition at corner in this draft. I would like to see our 2nd to 4th rounder be used on a CB. I like Webby and TT, and Ross is a good nickel, I think. But after that we are seriously screwed so when we have injuries, we are ripe for the picking in pass defense. We have to get a guy that will push Ross at the nickel or even Thomas, and even if he doesn't beat those guys, he will be valuable insurance when we need him.

 

This team doesn't need a whole lot at personnel. We are only a couple of pieces away with some good coaching. Those pieces to me at least are RB, TE, KR, and LBer. Everything else I wouldn't even touch.

 

you are somehow assuming Kiwi can play football again

 

without an operation I am pretty sure he's done...........just as Pierce was with the same injury

It takes a certain amount of balls to have someone operate on your neck

[Allstarjim]

you are somehow assuming Kiwi can play football again

 

without an operation I am pretty sure he's done...........just as Pierce was with the same injury

It takes a certain amount of balls to have someone operate on your neck

 

Jack, actually, you may have a point here. I'm hoping that Kiwi can get back to 100%. I actually think we have a shot at keeping him if the front office says, "Mathias, we are going to use you as a 3 down player the vast majority of the time. Sometimes you might be at the SAM, and sometimes at DE, but you will be an every down player."

 

I want Kiwi back because he's better than anything we have right now at SAM, plus he was very effective early on in the year, arguably our best defensive player when he went down. Can you imagine a pass rush of Tuck, Osi, JPP, and Kiwi on third and long?

[fringe]

The Giants would be 19-0 and Eli would be 'elite' if Jack stopped posting forever.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously though, special teams need serious.....serious........work. Dodge may pan out, but even when he was 'on', coverage sucked mule balls. Bring Feagles in as ST coach. Fuck, dig up my dearly departed grandmother and make her the ST coach. Anyone has to be better than what we've got.

The coverage might be better if Dodge had any freakin idea where the ball was going when he kicked it. He's the kind of guy who waywardly chucks the frisbee into the baby playpen at the beach and leaves you to fetch it.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

The coverage might be better if Dodge had any freakin idea where the ball was going when he kicked it. He's the kind of guy who waywardly chucks the frisbee into the baby playpen at the beach and leaves you to fetch it.

 

 

Bump...

[Tempest]

Yes we can tell you're pissed. Its funny that you're pissed at a team that went 10-6 considering we went 8-8 and Mara felt like the fans did that we went 4-12. From that to 10-6 is an improvement and that is a good thing.

 

Only reason why we didn't make the playoffs is because the players were already thinking they were in the playoffs after the Jacksonville game.

 

Keep Jacobs, he's under contract. Find a better RB and replace Bradshaw. He is good yet not great. Solid yet not durable, he hit the highpoint in his career. We can do better and Jacobs is an excellent change of pace and starter if we need one.

 

Special teams suck and its because the rest of the team sucks at it. If you can draft a specialist to long snap, you can draft a specialist to return the ball and how about another gunner. Putting the starters out there didn't help much at all and we've seen plenty of drafts with one dimensional players that fail to contribute to special teams. Start looking for special teams contribution on the second half of the draft. Team stil needs linebackers, should pay someone a shit load of money to find linebackers to draft, Reese has no clue how to do it.

 

Stop drafting TE's who can catch and can't block. We need them to block and then catch. We have excellent WR's and we'll throw to that TE maybe 5 times in a game while run the ball 3 times that. Blockers at TE over receivers.

[Allstarjim]

Yes we can tell you're pissed. Its funny that you're pissed at a team that went 10-6 considering we went 8-8 and Mara felt like the fans did that we went 4-12. From that to 10-6 is an improvement and that is a good thing.

Only reason why we didn't make the playoffs is because the players were already thinking they were in the playoffs after the Jacksonville game.Keep Jacobs, he's under contract. Find a better RB and replace Bradshaw. He is good yet not great. Solid yet not durable, he hit the highpoint in his career. We can do better and Jacobs is an excellent change of pace and starter if we need one.

 

Special teams suck and its because the rest of the team sucks at it. If you can draft a specialist to long snap, you can draft a specialist to return the ball and how about another gunner. Putting the starters out there didn't help much at all and we've seen plenty of drafts with one dimensional players that fail to contribute to special teams. Start looking for special teams contribution on the second half of the draft. Team stil needs linebackers, should pay someone a shit load of money to find linebackers to draft, Reese has no clue how to do it.

 

Stop drafting TE's who can catch and can't block. We need them to block and then catch. We have excellent WR's and we'll throw to that TE maybe 5 times in a game while run the ball 3 times that. Blockers at TE over receivers.

 

 

Tempest, a lot of people, including you and Tom Coughlin, want to talk about the record as a 10 win season, better than last year and such. I don't give a damn about 10 wins. Neither should anyone else. Ten wins didn't get us to the playoffs. This year was an absolute, complete failure, period. Forget the 10 wins... look at our team. Don't you think we have more talent than some of the teams that made it to the playoffs? And forget the Seahawks... we have more talent than the Bears, more talent than the Eagles, more talent than the Saints, and yes, more talent than the Falcons. I believe our team's talent is on par with the Packers and Steelers, who will likely be playing for the Super Bowl. So if I'm right and we are more talented than all these other teams in the playoffs, then you should be pissed, too. The difference was coaching this year.

 

Because of all the years we've suffered through losing teams, you shouldn't accept a 10 win season when our team is capable of more. You just don't know how long it will be before we can put a real competitive team together again. Things can go bad again very easily, and we could be the Redskins again... with no hope of making the playoffs before the season even begins... that is why when you are good and you know it, you can't waste it... you have to give it your all, whether it be a player or a coach. If we had made the playoffs and lost to a good team like the Packers you wouldn't see this level of anger from me. Bottom line, this team may have won 10 games, but that doesn't mean they also didn't underachieve, and that is unacceptable.

 

All that said, you make good points. I don't agree with you on letting Bradshaw go, I think he's a very talented player who can yet be fixed. I still think we need another back in this draft that will push to be the starter. Totally agree with you on TE's and special teams. Although I do think Reese knows how to draft good linebackers, he just hasn't made it a priority yet. I hope this is the year he does it.

[Nas]

- Who said we have to get a TE who can block first? Why not get a TE who can block and catch the damn ball.. it's fucking football.. if you can't catch the fucking ball, find another sport.

 

- Bradshaw is better than Jacobs... hands down. But we do need a star at RB to take the reigns at that position.

 

- We're set at QB for the next 7 years. PLEASE I don't want to hear anything about our star QB who had a good season marred by high INTs and makeshift OL and WR corp. Eli is watching and I'm sure he will have a superb season in 2011.

 

- Coughlin DOES need to lighten the fuck up. Our late season collapses can be attributed to fatigue and rushing the players back from injuries are HUGE no no's.... he and only he takes blame. And this tough-guy drill seargent approach to coaching doesn't work nowadays. Respect for players (who are adults mind you) goes a long long way.

 

- I'm glad Fewel is back. His 2nd season should be much better than his first.. much like spags. I'm sure he has "lessons learned" memorized by now.

 

- I hope Richie makes a full recovery. He's an amazing player and an amazing team-mate.

 

- People need to stop being over-sensitive because a player voices his opinion (Rolle). I actually agree with him. And if you don't over-analyze what he said, you'll see he actually makes sense.. lighten up Tom..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA

 

- The FO needs to address our LB situation first and foremost. That IS our most glaring need right now. I fully expect a start FA signing AND an early round pick.. no later than the 2nd round... someone who will actually start.

 

- Matt Dodge has a powerful leg but he needs time in the parctice squad. My fix for the punting situation would be to talk Feagles out of retirement.

 

- Bring Tyree back. If you don't think our ST miss him, you're sadly mistaken. It's a fucking atrocity we let him go and kept Moss. I blame Coughlin and Reese for this one.

 

- When our DL just can't get pressure on the QB, rotate them. They're human and can have an off day. The DL rotation worked great in 07.

 

- BOTH OC and DC need to be able to make adjustments. I'm shocked none of them seem to have plan B when the game is heading in the wrong direction.

 

Please feel free to add your remarks or critique mine. Thanks.

[Allstarjim]

- Who said we have to get a TE who can block first? Why not get a TE who can block and catch the damn ball.. it's fucking football.. if you can't catch the fucking ball, find another sport.

 

- Bradshaw is better than Jacobs... hands down. But we do need a star at RB to take the reigns at that position.

 

- We're set at QB for the next 7 years. PLEASE I don't want to hear anything about our star QB who had a good season marred by high INTs and makeshift OL and WR corp. Eli is watching and I'm sure he will have a superb season in 2011.

 

- Coughlin DOES need to lighten the fuck up. Our late season collapses can be attributed to fatigue and rushing the players back from injuries are HUGE no no's.... he and only he takes blame. And this tough-guy drill seargent approach to coaching doesn't work nowadays. Respect for players (who are adults mind you) goes a long long way.

 

- I'm glad Fewel is back. His 2nd season should be much better than his first.. much like spags. I'm sure he has "lessons learned" memorized by now.

 

- I hope Richie makes a full recovery. He's an amazing player and an amazing team-mate.

 

- People need to stop being over-sensitive because a player voices his opinion (Rolle). I actually agree with him. And if you don't over-analyze what he said, you'll see he actually makes sense.. lighten up Tom..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhlWddAXSRA

 

- The FO needs to address our LB situation first and foremost. That IS our most glaring need right now. I fully expect a start FA signing AND an early round pick.. no later than the 2nd round... someone who will actually start.

 

- Matt Dodge has a powerful leg but he needs time in the parctice squad. My fix for the punting situation would be to talk Feagles out of retirement.

 

- Bring Tyree back. If you don't think our ST miss him, you're sadly mistaken. It's a fucking atrocity we let him go and kept Moss. I blame Coughlin and Reese for this one.- When our DL just can't get pressure on the QB, rotate them. They're human and can have an off day. The DL rotation worked great in 07.

 

- BOTH OC and DC need to be able to make adjustments. I'm shocked none of them seem to have plan B when the game is heading in the wrong direction.

 

Please feel free to add your remarks or critique mine. Thanks.

 

 

Pretty good, Nas... I only take a little exception to the bolded part. Dodge can get better... he took a lot of heat his rookie year, but that's what rookies do, they make rookie mistakes. If he works hard, and he's saying he will, I think we'll have a much better punter next year in Dodge. For all his mistakes, he did have some great punts along the way... it's apparent the kid has a howitzer for a leg. He just needs to work on being calm under pressure, and taking a consistent approach. He has to get better with directional punts. We have a long, long way to go before week 1 of 2011, so these are all things he can improve upon a lot before then. But practice squad him? If he hasn't shown improvement by the time they make roster cuts to 53, then they should just cut him. He will have competition in camp, Reese already said so. So expect the competition to be on and may the best man win.

 

As far as Tyree, he has retired from the game. So bringing him back is not a viable option. I'd like the Giants to find the next Tyree somewhere, whether in the draft or free agency. Or even Devin Thomas. I think he has a real shot to be an exceptional special teamer. Also keep your eye on Domenik Hixon returning. We'll see how that one plays out. I like Hixon but I think we can get a more electric guy to be in the return game. Think Dexter McCluster, Jacoby Ford, Devin Hester... those types. I know those guys don't grow on trees but hey, there is no reason we can't have one. I believe Darren Sproles is a free agent and I think he would be an awesome addition in many ways.

[BlueInCanada]

- Who said we have to get a TE who can block first? Why not get a TE who can block and catch the damn ball.. it's fucking football.. if you can't catch the fucking ball, find another sport.

 

I dont see why people are calling for a new TE, I think people forget that Gilly doesnt use passing TEs in almost any situation and Boss is getting the job done

 

- Bradshaw is better than Jacobs... hands down. But we do need a star at RB to take the reigns at that position.

 

I think most will agree with this, I say we keep Bradshaw and Jacobs but we need a true #1 RB someone who will carry most of the load and doesnt have the problem of fumbling the ball or dancing around in the backfield.

 

- We're set at QB for the next 7 years. PLEASE I don't want to hear anything about our star QB who had a good season marred by high INTs and makeshift OL and WR corp. Eli is watching and I'm sure he will have a superb season in 2011.

 

I dont see what this point was all about, Eli is our guy he can improve but who knows what will happen next season.

 

- Coughlin DOES need to lighten the fuck up. Our late season collapses can be attributed to fatigue and rushing the players back from injuries are HUGE no no's.... he and only he takes blame. And this tough-guy drill seargent approach to coaching doesn't work nowadays. Respect for players (who are adults mind you) goes a long long way.

 

Rushing players back from injury is more on the Giants FO and training staff then anything else. The NFL has strict rules on bringing players into a game if they were sidelined due to an injury and they need to be cleared by the teams training staff before being allowed to play again. More then likely it was higher management wanting to try and get wins and rushing players back. I dont see how people are trying to tell Coughlin to lighten up, one fucking player who has only been on the team for a year is saying this am I the only one who finds it pretty funny that Rolle is all of a sudden the voice of the Giants but yet let's ignore guys like Eli, Tuck, Osi, Snee when they say they have no problem at all with Coughlin

 

- I'm glad Fewel is back. His 2nd season should be much better than his first.. much like spags. I'm sure he has "lessons learned" memorized by now.

 

If he gets better it would by a big advantage for us, I'm hoping his first year he was seeing what he could do with the defense and this year he finally makes it something respectable.

 

- I hope Richie makes a full recovery. He's an amazing player and an amazing team-mate.

 

Agreed

 

- People need to stop being over-sensitive because a player voices his opinion (Rolle). I actually agree with him. And if you don't over-analyze what he said, you'll see he actually makes sense.. lighten up Tom..

 

Like I said it's a first year player who has been on nothing but horrible teams his entire career, he is now in a winning enviroment and should learn to shut his mouth before we let him go. When veterans of the team like Eli, Tuck, Snee, Osi even the owners themselves say they have are all glad to have Coughlin back I think it's funny we take the word of a former Cardinal over Giants vets

 

- The FO needs to address our LB situation first and foremost. That IS our most glaring need right now. I fully expect a start FA signing AND an early round pick.. no later than the 2nd round... someone who will actually start.

 

I dont know about the draft this year but I hear it's QB heavy, so hopefully that means some good LBs slip down into or near our spot, I like Goff at MLB but I think we need ourselves a good pass coverage LB someone who can cover most #1 TEs in the league.

 

- Matt Dodge has a powerful leg but he needs time in the parctice squad. My fix for the punting situation would be to talk Feagles out of retirement.

 

I'm pretty sure Feagles is done not to mention he wont come back after a year away from football, I would like to see him as a kicking coach or something like that.

 

- Bring Tyree back. If you don't think our ST miss him, you're sadly mistaken. It's a fucking atrocity we let him go and kept Moss. I blame Coughlin and Reese for this one.

 

Tyree retired and I'm pretty sure it was because of doctors orders. When you're given the choice to walk the rest of your life or play football, I know which one I would choose

 

- When our DL just can't get pressure on the QB, rotate them. They're human and can have an off day. The DL rotation worked great in 07.

 

This is up to Fewell, at the beginning of the year he made statements of not rotating our D-line as much and keeping the starters in. It's really on his shoulders to make this adjustment

 

- BOTH OC and DC need to be able to make adjustments. I'm shocked none of them seem to have plan B when the game is heading in the wrong direction.

 

Agreed here, we havent had a Coordinator in years who can make any sort of adjustment

 

 

[Allstarjim]

Hey BIC, regarding the TE thing, Boss is a FA, I hope they will resign him. But I think people are talking about TE as a position of need because I believe most feel that the Beckum experiment is a failed one and isn't really what we need anyway, and Boss has taken a lot of big hits the last couple of years, and has been injured a lot in that time, many times playing through injuries... we need another TE if for anything else to have quality depth behind Boss because we definitely need that. Before anyone says Pascoe, I believe Pascoe will be our full-time FB going forward, and plus we can do better at TE than Pascoe... If you are inclined to watch the Senior Bowl the guy I mentioned from Tennessee, Luke Stocker, will be playing... he is an option.

 

Also, regarding the RB situation, if you bring someone in to really be the lead back then both Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs are not going to be cool with that, and plus Bradshaw is a free agent and will be due a bigger salary, and Jacobs already makes a lot of money. If you use a high round draft pick to start, I just don't think you can get away with paying all three... so financially and with the turmoil it would cause, if you're going to bring both Jacobs and Bradshaw back then you just have to commit to that twosome for next year. I'd rather trade Jacobs now, and draft a guy say in the second round to be a guy that can split carries with Bradshaw similar to how he was used this past season. I think that is a more realistic scenario, plus we can add a pick that could be used to possibly move up in the draft.

[Nas]

BlueInCanda,

 

Rolle is not the first player to voice his opinion about Coughlin's style of coaching. Strahan, Tiki, and now Rolle (I might have missed others) have. And you know what.. no one wants to play for a hard-ass asshole. Espeically millionaires.

[BlueInCanada]

BlueInCanda,

 

Rolle is not the first player to voice his opinion about Coughlin's style of coaching. Strahan, Tiki, and now Rolle (I might have missed others) have. And you know what.. no one wants to play for a hard-ass asshole. Espeically millionaires.

 

Here's the thing Nas, sure Strahan, Tiki and now Rolle have said these things but their individual players, their not the team.

 

Strahan came around to Coughlin in his last year didn't he? Now Strahan has nothing but praise for Coughlin. Tiki is well....Tiki, I love him as a Giant not as a broadcaster.

 

Now lets take a look at this article.

 

 

 

Several Giants not pleased with Antrel Rolle's criticism of Tom Coughlin in comparison to Rex Ryan

 

 

Antrel Rolle thinks Tom Coughlin is "too uptight" and wishes his coach were a little more like Jets coach Rex Ryan.

 

Rolle's teammates, though, wish the mouthy safety would keep his thoughts to himself.

 

Several Giants told the Daily News Tuesday that they were not pleased with Rolle's latest controversial radio interview, in which he praised Ryan and ripped Coughlin during an appearance on WQAM in Miami on Monday. At least one of his teammates even planned talk to him about it Tuesday.

 

"I haven't talked to him yet, but it is on my agenda to call Antrel," defensive captain Justin Tuck told the Daily News. "When I do, I will make a statement."

 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_several_giants_not_pleased_with_antrel_rolles_criticism_of_tom_coughlin_in_compa.html#ixzz1BV7l2Wyv

The TEAM is in support of Coughlin.

 

If Rolle isnt having fun with the Giants he can get the fuck out and go back to Arizona where he was having fun going below a .500 season.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

I concur...its a business....playoffs are the minimum for success....want some fun go play flag football with the dudes. Otherwise fuck off.

[RandolphScott]

BlueInCanda,

 

Rolle is not the first player to voice his opinion about Coughlin's style of coaching. Strahan, Tiki, and now Rolle (I might have missed others) have. And you know what.. no one wants to play for a hard-ass asshole. Espeically millionaires.

 

If no one wants to play for him....how come we've been so active in the free agent market since he's become head coach?

 

I don't remember guys like Plaxico, Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Chris Canty, Rolle, Deon Grant and a host of others when Jim Fassel, the so called "players coach" was the head coach of our team.

 

 

What you said above is complete and utter bullshit.

[RandolphScott]

Oh and by the way...our biggest free agent acquisition's that were made in the Fassel Era was signing Michael Barrow and Kenny Holmes over Simeion Rice.

 

Accorsi was a shitty GM.

[NightFire]

Oh and by the way...our biggest free agent acquisition's that were made in the Fassel Era was signing Michael Barrow and Kenny Holmes over Simeion Rice.

 

Accorsi was a shitty GM.

 

Yeah, the Giants seem to pick decent in the draft but not in FA. Probably because it seems like after 1 decent signing they go after re-treads.

[BIGBLUE01]

All they need is to hire me as a motivational speaker. I will have their asses demolishing the opposition.

[BronxRik]

All they need is to hire me as a motivational speaker. I will have their asses demolishing the opposition.

I think you should make the whole team dress like 'superfan' at your meetings.

[Tempest]

Its hard to to go 10-6 in the NFL, its not a given especially in this division. Talent and production are two different things. Guys didn't produce up to their potential is common but I believe we're on the upside of it. We could have beaten a all the teams we lost to but we are back at looking at players who didn't play up to their potential. Put the Giants in the NFL West and this wouldn't be a conversation. The difference this season wasn't coaching, it was players not playing up to their potential. A coaching change won't fix it, just a bit more seasoning. Redskin fans would love to trade places with us, they've been at the bottom of the division for a number of years. Bradshaw is talented but he is a free agent among many free agents this team has, question is who are we going to throw money after to retain? They have made it clear they won't try to keep Cofield who deserves it. How much are you willing to throw at Bradshaw and at the expense of whom? Bradshaw over Smith, Boss, Boothe, Kiwanuka, Tollefson, Blackburn and Grant? Something has to give because we cannot keep them all. Those are six players who have made up for deficiencies with the team. We can't keep them all so how about keeping three of them for the price of one who can be replaced.

 

 

No point in getting angry, they will do what they think is right regardless of how we feel about it.

 

Tempest, a lot of people, including you and Tom Coughlin, want to talk about the record as a 10 win season, better than last year and such. I don't give a damn about 10 wins. Neither should anyone else. Ten wins didn't get us to the playoffs. This year was an absolute, complete failure, period. Forget the 10 wins... look at our team. Don't you think we have more talent than some of the teams that made it to the playoffs? And forget the Seahawks... we have more talent than the Bears, more talent than the Eagles, more talent than the Saints, and yes, more talent than the Falcons. I believe our team's talent is on par with the Packers and Steelers, who will likely be playing for the Super Bowl. So if I'm right and we are more talented than all these other teams in the playoffs, then you should be pissed, too. The difference was coaching this year.

 

Because of all the years we've suffered through losing teams, you shouldn't accept a 10 win season when our team is capable of more. You just don't know how long it will be before we can put a real competitive team together again. Things can go bad again very easily, and we could be the Redskins again... with no hope of making the playoffs before the season even begins... that is why when you are good and you know it, you can't waste it... you have to give it your all, whether it be a player or a coach. If we had made the playoffs and lost to a good team like the Packers you wouldn't see this level of anger from me. Bottom line, this team may have won 10 games, but that doesn't mean they also didn't underachieve, and that is unacceptable.

 

All that said, you make good points. I don't agree with you on letting Bradshaw go, I think he's a very talented player who can yet be fixed. I still think we need another back in this draft that will push to be the starter. Totally agree with you on TE's and special teams. Although I do think Reese knows how to draft good linebackers, he just hasn't made it a priority yet. I hope this is the year he does it.

[Allstarjim]

Its hard to to go 10-6 in the NFL, its not a given especially in this division. Talent and production are two different things. Guys didn't produce up to their potential is common but I believe we're on the upside of it. We could have beaten a all the teams we lost to but we are back at looking at players who didn't play up to their potential. Put the Giants in the NFL West and this wouldn't be a conversation. The difference this season wasn't coaching, it was players not playing up to their potential. A coaching change won't fix it, just a bit more seasoning. Redskin fans would love to trade places with us, they've been at the bottom of the division for a number of years. Bradshaw is talented but he is a free agent among many free agents this team has, question is who are we going to throw money after to retain? They have made it clear they won't try to keep Cofield who deserves it. How much are you willing to throw at Bradshaw and at the expense of whom? Bradshaw over Smith, Boss, Boothe, Kiwanuka, Tollefson, Blackburn and Grant? Something has to give because we cannot keep them all. Those are six players who have made up for deficiencies with the team. We can't keep them all so how about keeping three of them for the price of one who can be replaced.

 

 

No point in getting angry, they will do what they think is right regardless of how we feel about it.

 

Tempest, that ALWAYS is the coaches responsibility and the they are the ones held accountable when players do not play to their potential. Plus, in a couple of our losses (Indy, Green Bay), I felt that the defensive game plans did not give us a chance to win.

 

I understand we may not be able to resign everyone... but we don't have that many impact free agents this season. We have Boss, Cofield, Steve Smith, Kiwanuka, and Bradshaw. Out of those I fully expect Kiwanuka to walk... And although I want Boss to return, he is the most replaceable with a plethora of other talented TE's also out there in free agency. It doesn't leave him much bargaining power so I think he could be retained for a reasonable dollar figure. Boothe will not be costly to resign.

 

Out of Tollefson, Blackburn, and Grant, none of those guys are players you say to yourself, we HAVE to resign them. I'd like those guys to return, sure, but we are not screwed if they don't.

 

To me, you have to put a priority on re-signing Smith, Bradshaw, and Cofield. I would try to work out something with Kiwanuka first, though, but like I said, I think he's going to go off to greener pastures where he can start at end.

[Chuck Wagon]

 

 

The biggest killer this year was our offense, and even though some people will say the defense because of the Philly game, Green Bay game, and the early season Indy game, the fact is that our offense was a huge factor in us losing in all 3 of those games, and I would say only in the Green Bay game was the defense a bigger liability than the offense.

 

 

 

But that is the problem Jim....three quality Offenses..three playoff teams........and they got absolutely schooled giving up and average of 37 points in 4 games.

 

...and I disagree on the Philly game.....the offense didn't give up 65 yard TD pass....nor an onside kick...nor 100yards on three Vick runs.....or that nightmare punt....

 

You put up 31 points in the NFL...that should be enough to win ...at home.....if you have a playoff caliber Defense.

 

The Giants don't. It lacks playmakers in the back 7 most notably at LB..and it is totally lacking depth...which is another reason they fade every December.

 

The office they have can get them to the Playoffs.....they just need to hang on to the damn ball and stop jumping off sides.....They aren't the 2000 Rams.......but they also aren' t the 01 Ravens either.

 

They don't have defense that can win in the playoffs...period. If they would have made it this time they would have been one and done against anybody but maybe the Seahawks...assuming the game was in Jersey. I think the Bears put up big numbers on them this time around too.

 

The G-Man need a difference maker LB. ...someone you need to make down in the game plan.

 

They don't have that...they need to draft it....or get it off the FA Market...what they got now doesn't scare anybody and it doesn't get the job done against a quality Offense.

 

Its a old and worn out..but its true....except for the Colts......Defense wins championships.

 

I'd really like to see the G-Man go get a couple good LB prospects.

 

C. Wagon