Roster move in the works?

[BigPete]

On friday the Giants waived QB Riley Skinner.

 

Whilst that it is not too surprising that he was cut, I wonder what future move is in the works that requires us to free up a roster spot? The Giants recently waived 5 players to make room for the Rookie signings.

 

Is there a potential move on the cards? either a signing of a free agent, or perhaps a trade.

 

It is obvious that the Giants want to upgrade our kick returners, and with Chad Jones injury, the secondary could be another position we want to upgrade. The timing of this (a day after Jones injury) seems to hint to me there could be something happening with our DB depth.

 

I guess the next question is what players are our there (or could be realistic trade options) that could fill either of these roles? I am inclined to think it is more likely to be a trade as there aren't too many free agents available who would be an upgrade over the guys we have (or we would already have signed them).

 

Perhaps the Giants could be interested in someone like Chiefs safety Jarrad Page

 

Page is an RFA (hasn't signed his 2nd round tender) and has requested to be traded. Page has skipped offseason practices and is also unlikely to make the Chiefs final roster (The chief have Eric Berry and Kendrick Lewis as starters and John McGraw, Reshard Langford, and DaJuan Morgan for depth).

 

Page is young (26) and coming off an average season last year (only played 5 games), but prior to that had 179 tackles, 10 int, 26 Pass Def, 4 Fumble Rec, 3 Forced Fumbles over 3 years. Page struggled last season before a torn calf muscle landed him on injured reserve prior to Week 7 of last season, but he was a play-maker in coverage in his first two years as a starter. It is also worth noting the Chiefs put a second round tender on him (worth $1.759m).

 

Page could probably be available for a late round draft pick. With the uncertainty of how well Phillips will return from injury, safety depth is an issue (particularly as I think Fewell wants to use a lot of three safety sets). Page could add good young depth and also a valuable special teams role.

 

Page didn't sign his tender by the deadline, which means he becomes an ERFA and the Chiefs can reduce his salary for 2010 from the tender amount to 110 percent of last year's base salary. It meanss if the Giants traded for Page, we could have him for a cheap 1 year deal (or maybe a cheap extension).

 

He has played FS, but also has good size at 6'0", 225lbs. I think this is the kind of player Reese would consider trading for.

[BigPete]

If they need a roster spot, I thought they would have put Chad Jones on either IR or the NFI list

[Nas]

If they need a roster spot, I thought they would have put Chad Jones on either IR or the NFI list

 

I think the safety position is still crowded.. even after Jones' injury. Having said that it maybe premature to put Jones on IR since his injures are pretty easy to heal.. a bone fracture is a blessing compared to a torn ligament.

[Storm]

I think the safety position is still crowded.. even after Jones' injury. Having said that it maybe premature to put Jones on IR since his injures are pretty easy to heal.. a bone fracture is a blessing compared to a torn ligament.

 

Agreed, Jarrad Page would run into the same problem here as in KC...not seeing the field.

[Mr. P]

yeah i dont see us going after page.

[Sephiroth]

I think the safety position is still crowded.. even after Jones' injury. Having said that it maybe premature to put Jones on IR since his injures are pretty easy to heal.. a bone fracture is a blessing compared to a torn ligament.

 

Nas, they were talking about amputating his leg. He's in the exact same boat as Phillips... he might gimp onto the field at some point, but his career is likely over.

[BlueInCanada]

I think the safety position is still crowded.. even after Jones' injury. Having said that it maybe premature to put Jones on IR since his injures are pretty easy to heal.. a bone fracture is a blessing compared to a torn ligament.

 

Fractured leg and ankle and by all reports doctors say it will be a long, slow, recovery for him even being able to walk on the leg again. His career is over.

[Storm]

Phillips, Rolle, Grant, Johnson. Still crowded.

 

Exactly how many safeties should we be carrying?

[BigPete]

Phillips, Rolle, Grant, Johnson. Still crowded.

 

Exactly how many safeties should we be carrying?

 

Perhaps, but we already had those guys before we brought in Chad Jones.

 

Have you noticed that we have added a ton of safeties heading into camp, yet are relatively thin at CB?

Heading into training camp our roster has just 6 CBs (Corey Webster, Terrell Thomas, Aaron Ross, Bruce Johnson, DJ Johnson, Courtney Brown) and we have 8 safeties (Antrell Rolle, Kenny Phillips, Deon Grant, Chad Jones, Michael Johnson, Shareff Rashad, Seth Williams, Michael Greco)

 

I expect we will go with 10 DBs on the final 53 man roster - 5 corners and 5 safeties.

 

I also think with the focus we have on safeties on the roster, Fewell intends on using more nickle packages using three safeties (which has been confirmed by Deon Grant in his early interviews).

 

As far as depth at safety goes, I don't think the front office is going to rely on Phillips this season (while being hopeful). He is coming back from a serious injury and it is still early in the recovery stage. Setbacks are a very real possibility, also it may take time (perhaps 12 months) for him to get back to playing how he was before injury.

I think it is more likely that the front office will take a 'wait and see' approach with Phillips, they will be cautiously optimistic, but aren't going to rush things. If Phillips is more likely to contribute over the back half of the season. Bear in mind that Phillips' injury was potentially career threatening as well, we don't know how well he will come back.

 

It is extremely doubtful that Jones will play much of a role this season (it is still if whether he will be able to resume his career). Even in the best case scenario, it is going to be 6 weeks + a lot of rehab before he can even start running, let alone start playing. I expect Jones will be shut down for this season in the near future.

 

I do think there is room for another safety (pretty much insurance for Phillips). As it stands we have 3 healthy safeties, we are only 1 injury away from Michael Johnson being a starter. I also think the front office would ideally like to upgrade over Johnson, particularly someone with good ball skills and play-making ability. I could see someone like Page being a good (and cheap) option. He could certainly compete for playing time.

[gmenroc]

Perhaps not a safety, but you don't normally see teams dip below the roster limit this time of year unless there are plans on filling it back up again.

[RandolphScott]

Jones' doctors believe he will return to football as early as next year.

 

I expect him to take 2 years..reminds me ALOT of the gruesome injury that Seubert suffered against the Eagles in 2003...that was bad.

Took him 2 years to fully recover from that.

[JMFP]

Jones' doctors believe he will return to football as early as next year.

 

I expect him to take 2 years..reminds me ALOT of the gruesome injury that Seubert suffered against the Eagles in 2003...that was bad.

Took him 2 years to fully recover from that.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[RandolphScott]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

 

At this point, you have to say that he is lucky to be alive and if everything goes as well as planned...he might even be lucky to walk or even run recreational again.

 

If he plays football, like even attends training camp...he will be one of my favorites.

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

At least its not a Troy Archer situation....GOD rest his soul.

[fringe]

At least its not a Troy Archer situation....GOD rest his soul.

 

that was swamp cancer, was it not?

[TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt]

that was swamp cancer, was it not?

 

 

I forgot how he died to tell you the truth...all I really remember was that it was sudden and unexpected. Plus it left a huge hole in the defense as he was an up and comer who was like a John the Baptist to LT's Jesus. The above was only used for illustrative purposes.

[RandolphScott]

I forgot how he died to tell you the truth...all I really remember was that it was sudden and unexpected. Plus it left a huge hole in the defense as he was an up and comer who was like a John the Baptist to LT's Jesus. The above was only used for illustrative purposes.

 

 

Car accident.

 

Karl Nelson had cancer.

[Sephiroth]

Phillips, Rolle, Grant, Johnson. Still crowded.

 

Exactly how many safeties should we be carrying?

 

Phillips isn't going to make the field for any more than 2 games at a time. He's got arthritis. His career is over.

[Storm]

Phillips isn't going to make the field for any more than 2 games at a time. He's got arthritis. His career is over.

 

I thought that, too, but what I've read in the last couple months has me hoping that he can at least be a contributor as starter for the next couple seasons...but I do tend to agree with you.

[Sephiroth]

I thought that, too, but what I've read in the last couple months has me hoping that he can at least be a contributor as starter for the next couple seasons...but I do tend to agree with you.

 

I hope I'm wrong. :/

[fishgutmartyr]

Car accident.

 

Karl Nelson had cancer.

Yep, Troy Archer died in a car accident.

 

Nelson had cancer, as did Doug Kotar and Danny Lloyd.

[Tempest]

So who trades for players that will be cut?

 

 

 

They are going to add another punter most likely or fill another thin roster spot like Dt for competition. Giants won't trade away the future for a return guy that most likely will be cut.