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Let's bring up a 19 year old who is pampered like a baby, limited to throwing certain type of pitches and certain amount of pitches, who's advancing through the minor beautifully, to the Major Leagues and let's have another Melky Cabrera experiment with a pitcher who is suppose to be the next Roger Clemens. Brilliant!

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Let's bring up a 19 year old who is pampered like a baby, limited to throwing certain type of pitches and certain amount of pitches, who's advancing through the minor beautifully, to the Major Leagues and let's have another Melky Cabrera experiment with a pitcher who is suppose to be the next Roger Clemens. Brilliant!

Never underestimate the resiliency of youth. Cabrera didn't break, and niether will Hughes. Bring him on. It would be nice to see a Yankee retire with 300 wins or 3000 hits for a change.

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Athletics | Kotsay on Trading Block

Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:59:04 -0700

 

The San Francisco Chronicle's John Shea reports the Oakland Athletics are working on a contract extension with OF Mark Kotsay. However, it was reported on ESPN that the New York Yankees were pursuing Kotsay to play centerfield. Prospects P Philip Hughes and 3B Eric Duncan could be headed to Oakland in exchange for Kotsay.

 

 

just saw this from last year and it made me laugh. if we did that i would have killed steinbrenner

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Athletics | Kotsay on Trading Block

Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:59:04 -0700

 

The San Francisco Chronicle's John Shea reports the Oakland Athletics are working on a contract extension with OF Mark Kotsay. However, it was reported on ESPN that the New York Yankees were pursuing Kotsay to play centerfield. Prospects P Philip Hughes and 3B Eric Duncan could be headed to Oakland in exchange for Kotsay.

just saw this from last year and it made me laugh. if we did that i would have killed steinbrenner

they wouldnt have given them Hughes. Hughes is a top 10 pitching prospect and the only place he's going is to The Bronx

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they wouldnt have given them Hughes. Hughes is a top 10 pitching prospect and the only place he's going is to The Bronx

ho, what do you know about steven white?

 

desalvo supposedly looked good in his last outing, but his numbers aren't great. not much of a major league pitcher. clippard has been getting rocked until his last start. i wonder if rasner is actually going to turn into anything

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NYY HiA Hughes, Philip ............ 7.0 6 3 3 0 6 1.57 - W (2-2)

his last start... decent outing, not great, but it seems like he's got great control. rough outing for clippard yesterday, and austin jackson, even in low-a looks great. tore it up the other night

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If it was another organization, he'd be learning his trade in the majors.

 

yeah cause the Yanks are so overwhelmed with quality starters. :confused:

 

Most teams would not rush a guy his age, no matter how bad or good they are. Case in point, the top prospect in the Reds organization, he is being handled with kid gloves for a reason, because thats what teams do.

 

Same holds true with Mike Pelfrey.

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yeah cause the Yanks are so overwhelmed with quality starters. :confused:

 

Most teams would not rush a guy his age, no matter how bad or good they are. Case in point, the top prospect in the Reds organization, he is being handled with kid gloves for a reason, because thats what teams do.

 

Same holds true with Mike Pelfrey.

There's no need to baby them. Read my other post on it.

 

Your Mets were never afraid to bring up young players, btw.

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There's no need to baby them. Read my other post on it.

 

Your Mets were never afraid to bring up young players, btw.

 

yeah and by 1989 at the ripe old age of 24 Dwight Gooden needed surgery.

 

Remember Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher? Tommy John and recostructive shoulder for Wilson, Tommy John for Izzy and chronic Shoulder Labrum troubles for Pulse and Tommy John as well.

 

Thats a great arguement for bringing up young pitchers. :doh:

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yeah and by 1989 at the ripe old age of 24 Dwight Gooden needed surgery.

 

Remember Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen and Bill Pulsipher? Tommy John and recostructive shoulder for Wilson, Tommy John for Izzy and chronic Shoulder Labrum troubles for Pulse and Tommy John as well.

 

Thats a great arguement for bringing up young pitchers. :doh:

What are you saying, that pitches thrown in the minors don't count as pitches thrown?

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Ditto, what he is saying that these young kids havent pitched enough innings. Young arms are very delicate. They have to build arm strength. Many young minor league starting pitchers are not used to logging more the 75-100 innings a season. Minor league seasons are much shorter(monthly) than ML seasons and they dont play as many games. Its really not good to rush a live arm to the majors. Thats why many Asian pitchers only do well in their first few years when coming to America and either get hurt or are no longer effective because the strain on their arm. The Asians abuse their young pitchers, they have them throw up to and over 200 pitches per game.

 

King Felix of Seattle is a rare case, even though he is incredibly young he had to be called up. He was no match for minor league hitters and completely domianted at every level. There was really nothing else the Mariners could have done.

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What are you saying, that pitches thrown in the minors don't count as pitches thrown?

 

they are on strict pitch counts and have more of a "working plan" as opposed to a "need to win now plan" in the majors. So yes pitch counts count, but normally in the minors the main objective is building arm strength, finding out what your best pitches are and growing as a young player. The major league game is completely different.

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Ditto, what he is saying that these young kids havent pitched enough innings. Young arms are very delicate. They have to build arm strength. Many young minor league starting pitchers are not used to logging more the 75-100 innings a season. Minor league seasons are much shorter(monthly) than ML seasons and they dont play as many games. Its really not good to rush a live arm to the majors. Thats why many Asian pitchers only do well in their first few years when coming to America and either get hurt or are no longer effective because the strain on their arm. The Asians abuse their young pitchers, they have them throw up to and over 200 pitches per game.

 

King Felix of Seattle is a rare case, even though he is incredibly young he had to be called up. He was no match for minor league hitters and completely domianted at every level. There was really nothing else the Mariners could have done.

 

that is how it was for Dwight back in the 80's, but going from 150 innings where he threw 80% fastballs at 18 to 240 IP in the majors, throwing fastballs and curves and more taxing on the arm took its toll by the time he was 24-25.

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  • 1 month later...

well, since he's been promoted to AA Trenton(a MUCH tougher league than high A and some can argue, with validity, its better than AAA) he's been just ok in his fisr few starts....but in his last two he has been lights out. His line from last night looks like this... 7.1 IP, 1H, 8K, 3 BB. His early struggles were to be expected, but this kid is the real deal.

 

Also, some of you here may have never heard of him, but Eric Abreu is back bitch!!! He was the Yankees top pitching prospect before they had Hughes, he's a 22 year old Venezuelan that is a strike out machine. He's been out since 2004 with an injury and he also had some growing up to do(many said he was uncoachable). At the beginning of this season, he was nowhere to be found and without a team. Then he finally contacted the Yanks and he started to throw in EST. He is now with Low A Charleston. His fast ball is sitting at 89 right now, he used to throw 94-96, but keep in mind he's coming back from a very serious injury and he hasnt pitched in almost 2 years. His arm strength and velocity will come back as he throws more....but the amazing thing is...he is still striking everyone out. His line from his last start for Low A Charleston 4.1 IP 2BB 7K's 0ER. He could move very quickly.

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Steven White, who was just promoted to AAA, and is rumored to be in the bigs soon.

 

He's a starter, and who goes to the pen, I can't imagine. The only starter not pitching decently right now is RJ, and I doubt he'll be moved.

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  • 2 months later...
Hughes, now limited to 5 innings or 80 pitches, pitched 5 innings of no hit ball, missing a perfect outing by walking one batter in the fifth.

 

I hope we at least see him when rosters expand.

 

No need to worry, you'll probably see him once this year. You guys are still in a division race, though, so you'll have to lock that up before you see him. Now if it were the mets I'm sure you'd be seeing him and I'm sure we'll be seeing Pelfrey, Perez, Bannister, and maybe Humber soon.

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