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link?

 

since i live in NJ I got the printed paper

 

its a Paul Schwartz article "The '07 Wonders"

 

might not be online posted til tomorrow

 

He was particularly hard on Coughlin, the disappearing Pierce, Osi and Tuck

 

I don't buy the Tuck thing.....Tuck is playing effectively all season with a dislocated shoulder

lesser men would sit

 

I would play the bench if I were Coughlin.....put Blackburn at MLB, some young OLB for Danny Useless

 

let Carr play QB until Eli heals fully............get Fnnn Hixon off the field, he is not a WR

 

Maybe bring back Amani

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Here.....I'll do Jack's work for him.....

 

 

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/sports/giants/giants_no_longer_can_live_off_super_0ONbYupqlmndfxIc1666fN

 

Giants no longer can live off Super season

By PAUL SCHWARTZ

 

Last Updated: 2:21 PM, November 11, 2009

 

Posted: 1:37 AM, November 11, 2009

 

Let's get one thing straight. These Giants didn't win the Super Bowl two years ago.

 

The next time one of them starts hearkening back to the days of overcoming adversity or winning on the road or disproving the critics or pulling out fourth-quarter victories, feel free to ignore them. Tune them out.

 

Just as no one can ever take away the magnificent achievement of the 2007 edition of the Giants, no one can link that to this. That was special. This is ordinary. Many of the faces and names are the same, but don't be fooled into believing the guys who earned the rings will be able to figure out what's wrong and make it right.

 

The "we did it before and we can do it again" mindset doesn't fly as a 5-0 start degenerated into 5-4 at the bye. The Giants believe they are a really good team ready to bust out, but those darned breaks and penalties and athletic plays by the other guys (they get paid too, you know) keep getting in the way.

 

What's getting in the way of the Giants is what's staring back at them in the mirror. They've lost some of their edge, and that includes Tom Coughlin. Sure, they all work hard and shake their heads and grimace when things go rotten, but there's not much fear of failure around their spacious and luxurious Timex Performance Center, a beautiful new facility with all the accoutrements. Too bad some of the grit from the dank bowels of Giants Stadium didn't make it across the parking lot.

 

GIANTS BLOG

 

WEEK 9 REWIND

 

PLAYOFF CHANCES PLUMMET

 

It starts at the top. Coughlin is as solid as they come, but now he's in the select head coach club reserved for Super Bowl winners. No one is calling for his job or calling him out of touch or a grouch. If two years ago he acted fatherly in shepherding the Giants, he sounds grandfatherly right now, supportive where a little old-fashioned threatening might be the ticket.

 

There was all this talk of Coughlin meeting with his leadership council after the blowout loss in Philadelphia. The immediate result was the best week of practice of the season, followed by some decent-to-inspired football until the late 21-20 collapse to the Chargers. The two star defensive linemen, Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck, made game-changing plays up until the final drive, when they failed to get a sniff of Philip Rivers.

 

There was the predictable fallback storyline of Eli Manning needing to "Be the Mann (clever!)" as if he himself could fix the offense, defense and special teams. There are the unusual leadership stylings of Antonio Pierce, who fills the role of spokesman sometimes, but not after Chargers 21, Giants 20, when he was nowhere to be found in a locker room full of players (sans Umenyiora as well) who weren't keen on lingering to face the music but did so anyway.

 

Pierce the other day said, "We just need to find a way to win one game and then we'll just get on a roll." Really? This team will get on a roll because the 2007 team did in the playoffs and the 2008 team did through the first 12 games?

 

Umenyiora conceded, "Once you start losing games like that you might lose your edge a little bit" but added, "To be honest with you, I'm not even concerned at all. This is a situation the Giants are comfortable in right here. We have our backs against the wall and we always come out swinging."

 

Not always. They swung and missed last week, once again alerting everyone that the vows of the title-winning Giants have thus far been unfulfilled promises by this bunch. These Giants aren't champions. It's time they stop thinking they are and perhaps they'll start playing more like it.

 

paul.schwartz@nypost.com

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since i live in NJ I got the printed paper

 

its a Paul Schwartz article "The '07 Wonders"

 

might not be online posted til tomorrow

 

He was particularly hard on Coughlin, the disappearing Pierce, Osi and Tuck

 

I don't buy the Tuck thing.....Tuck is playing effectively all season with a dislocated shoulder

lesser men would sit

 

I would play the bench if I were Coughlin.....put Blackburn at MLB, some young OLB for Danny Useless

 

let Carr play QB until Eli heals fully............get Fnnn Hixon off the field, he is not a WR

 

Maybe bring back Amani

only thing is, Eli played a near perfect game.

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good point but our WRs were fantastic in the 1st 5 games

 

What happened?

 

Is it the O Line?

 

It does not seem to me Eli is getting a good pocket to work in

 

4 of the first 5 games were against: Oakland, KC, Washington and TB....the dog thinks this may have something to do with it...

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4 of the first 5 games were against: Oakland, KC, Washington and TB....the dog thinks this may have something to do with it...

 

possibly but the demise coincided with elis foot injury

 

its possible his erratic play infected the whole offense

 

if so he seems ok now..........maybe it will turn around

 

it better

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and...we're back.

 

This thread is dopey. TC isn't the player and I don't know if I think the overall team is strategically unsound.

 

Our secondary players do not feature TC at Free Safety. Our WR's don't make clutch catches and the first 5 games were, well, you know...

 

Tom may have become more player friendly, but then again Mangina isn't player friendly and fines for bottled water haven't galvinized their team.

 

Perhaps TC has gotten softer? I don't know that, but I do know that our playcalling on both sides has been sketchy. Even when we have the correct calls, I estimate the totality of our defensive quagmire stems from 0 pressure on the QB except for blitz packages and even then...

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and...we're back.

 

This thread is dopey. TC isn't the player and I don't know if I think the overall team is strategically unsound.

 

Our secondary players do not feature TC at Free Safety. Our WR's don't make clutch catches and the first 5 games were, well, you know...

 

Tom may have become more player friendly, but then again Mangina isn't player friendly and fines for bottled water haven't galvinized their team.

 

Perhaps TC has gotten softer? I don't know that, but I do know that our playcalling on both sides has been sketchy. Even when we have the correct calls, I estimate the totality of our defensive quagmire stems from 0 pressure on the QB except for blitz packages and even then...

 

true but the man at the top apparently is important except in Dallas

 

When Dick Vermeil or Bill Bellicheck, Bill Parcells take over teams they challenge every year

 

when Norv Turner, or Herm Edwards step in the whole thing turns to shxx

 

there has to be some correlation here no???

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true but the man at the top apparently is important except in Dallas

 

When Dick Vermeil or Bill Bellicheck, Bill Parcells take over teams they challenge every year

 

when Norv Turner, or Herm Edwards step in the whole thing turns to shxx

 

there has to be some correlation here no???

 

Are you comparing Coughlin to Norv Turner and Herm Edwards?

 

And you do remember that Coughlin faced Belichick in the Super Bowl, right?

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and...we're back.

 

This thread is dopey. TC isn't the player and I don't know if I think the overall team is strategically unsound.

 

Our secondary players do not feature TC at Free Safety. Our WR's don't make clutch catches and the first 5 games were, well, you know...

 

Tom may have become more player friendly, but then again Mangina isn't player friendly and fines for bottled water haven't galvinized their team.

 

Perhaps TC has gotten softer? I don't know that, but I do know that our playcalling on both sides has been sketchy. Even when we have the correct calls, I estimate the totality of our defensive quagmire stems from 0 pressure on the QB except for blitz packages and even then...

 

Agree.....fact is, Tuck is banged up....Canty and Rocky Bernard have been unable to contribute to the rotation, and someone needs to send a mechanic to check out Osi's motor.

 

Losing Jay Alford hurt alot.....and losing Kenny Phillips has been brutal. Not having Ross for most of the year is likewise a big blow.

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Are you comparing Coughlin to Norv Turner and Herm Edwards?

 

And you do remember that Coughlin faced Belichick in the Super Bowl, right?

 

he actually just lost to Norv Turner hmmmmm food for thought huh?

 

 

my point is that our present aged Tom is not equal to the the guy who won the SB......also as I predicted it was actually Spags that won us a SB as did Bellicheck in the previous one in 1990

 

Tom did not do a league wide search for a top young DC.........he went with his home cooked brew and were paying the price

 

Its really time for a new HC.........its time

 

new stadium new era new HC

 

I'd go with Dick Vermeil or Jon Gruden......

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he actually just lost to Norv Turner hmmmmm food for thought huh?

 

 

my point is that our present aged Tom is not equal to the the guy who won the SB......also as I predicted it was actually Spags that won us a SB as did Bellicheck in the previous one in 1990

 

Tom did not do a league wide search for a top young DC.........he went with his home cooked brew and were paying the price

 

Its really time for a new HC.........its time

 

new stadium new era new HC

 

I'd go with Dick Vermeil or Jon Gruden......

 

I think it will be Bill Cowher.

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