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Okay, I read this morning at 5:30AM that the Giants had signed Aaron Rouse and I can't believe there hasn't been a mention of this on this board. Wierd.

 

Anyway.....here's from Garaflo

 

A scouting report on new NY Giants safety Aaron Rouse

 

So who’s Aaron Rouse? Well, other than the guy who’s going to give me fits when trying to say Aaron Ross (or vice versa), he’s a guy the Giants claimed off waivers from the Packers and are hoping will live up to his status as a third-round pick in 2007. If so, he’d soften the blow of losing Kenny Phillips for the season.

 

Rouse, at 6-4, 227 pounds, is much bigger than the average safety. That’s good when it comes time to lay the wood, but bad when it comes to moving in the open field. And that’s been precisely his problem during his brief NFL career.

 

Rouse had four interceptions combined in his first two seasons and even returned one of them (off Peyton Manning) for a 99-yard touchdown. But that big play was offset by many he surrendered because, as our guys Tom Silverstein and Bob McGinn from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel tell us, Rouse had trouble getting his big body to break down in space. They also tell us he was extremely stiff in the hips. Silverstein tells us the Packers’ safeties coach, Darren Perry (hardcore fans remember him from his days with the Steelers) would harp on Rouse to bend his knees and get that big body compact and more flexible. Apparently, he didn’t heed the advice well enough.

 

Rouse can make the big hit, as he proved when he tackled Bears tight end Desmond Clark in Week 1 – a hit that resulted in a cracked rib for Clark. But our eyes in Green Bay tell us Rouse wasn’t as physical as the Packers had hoped he would be.

 

Rouse does have ball skills, Silverstein and McGinn say, but apparently his lack of speed doesn’t allow him to get to enough balls. Plus, I’ve heard he didn’t always take the best angles to the ball.

 

These are obviously the negatives because they’re what led to his release. But the Giants clearly believe he has an upside, so it’ll be up to safeties coach Dave Merritt to bring it out of him. Merritt has worked magic with the Giants’ safeties, considering the team has handed him a bunch of low-round picks, undrafted free agents and bargain-priced veterans the past couple of years. If he can massage some ability out of Rouse, it’ll add another player he helped develop to his recent resume.

 

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Posted by phat-daddy4

September 25, 2009, 2:30AM

wow talk about kicking dirt on guy and burying him while he's still alive (joe p. casino style), i hope they haven't forgot that he's still in the nfc....on the other hand sounds as if we have another james butler, o'well com'on coach merritt work your magic on him....lol

 

off the subject, does anybody think that there's a chance that osi and ware could be reunited in new york (they played at troy together). i don't think jerry jones has extended his contract yet (surprised if it hasn't happened that it's taken this long)......

 

one more thing on osi, i think he said when he was injuried that he watch the best de when they played, othe than that he didn't watch football at all. MEMO TO OSI, learn from the best de on our team (JUSTIN TUCK). if osi had other moves other than a speed rush he would smash strahan's single season sack record. watch the tape on osi. he's straight up the field and out of the play or he's swallowed by the tackle and is stuck quick sand until the ball carrier is at least 10yrds down the field. it pisses me off because i know he can do better than that.............

 

also bj needs to shut his mouth and play ball. the more trash you talk the more you have to backup, the less you back it up the dumber you look after running your mouth. there's a reason why barry sanders, walter peyton, jim brown, eric dickerson was so good for so long...ever noticed how when tomlinson started talking how he fell off the map. shut your mouth and do your job, let your play on the field talk for you. talking does nothing but make you play out of character by trying to do too much when all you have to do is your job, com'on bj you're better than that...

 

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Posted by phat-daddy4

September 25, 2009, 2:32AM

for those wondering where tuck would play, tuck can play de or dt...and ware could play de or lb, just a lil something to make you say hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...............

 

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Posted by mjc31

September 25, 2009, 9:07AM

so rouse sounds like a roy williams. good tackler but horrible in coverage.

 

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Posted by frazer

September 25, 2009, 9:29AM

the best comparison was by PD4, Rouse is like another Butler. I remember Butler being 6-3 or something, athletic but just goofy. he was always there after the ball got to the receiver, never beat the coverage or read the QB. Dave Merritt is a great coach and i'm glad he is on the Giant's staff. I think he'll be able to pull a contributor out of A. Rouse, even if he is not a full time starter or every down Safety, i think he will make quality play time when he does get on the field... at least i hope.

 

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Posted by deeknow84

September 25, 2009, 10:00AM

Gee, he sounds like such a great replacement! NOT! HOWEVER, I have great faith in JR and most of the coaching staff. So perhaps he will become effective given time. I just don't invision an infusion of speed any time soon.

 

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Posted by jv2

September 25, 2009, 12:47PM

Given the lack of depth at safety and all the secondary injuries prior to the IR situation with Kenny, I would not have been surprised if JR picked up Rouse anyway.

 

Someone pointed out we won the SB with Butler back there. I am drawing a blank who was the 3rd safety that year, the undrafted rookie who had knee issues I believe. So I would give a slight edge to Johnson-Brown-Rouse over Johnson-Butler-undrafted rookie with knee issues.

 

I am over my Philips depression this morning, time to move on.

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it seems noone saw my post in the phillips thread about us signing him, i even posted a video of his 99yd pick 6.

 

seems noone also saw my post about the injury being career threatening, because like 10 posts later someone posted an article about it and everyone was surprised

 

 

it was kinda weird.

 

 

 

but anyway, this is what a packer fan on another site had to say:

 

"TO THE GIANTS FANS. Aaron rouse will stand his ground, he will be a key asset to your squad. Im glad another team noticed his potential unlike the packers stupid gm. You can qoute me on that.....rouse will ball for yall."

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it seems noone saw my post in the phillips thread about us signing him, i even posted a video of his 99yd pick 6.

 

seems noone also saw my post about the injury being career threatening, because like 10 posts later someone posted an article about it and everyone was surprised

 

 

it was kinda weird.

 

 

 

but anyway, this is what a packer fan on another site had to say:

 

"TO THE GIANTS FANS. Aaron rouse will stand his ground, he will be a key asset to your squad. Im glad another team noticed his potential unlike the packers stupid gm. You can qoute me on that.....rouse will ball for yall."

 

Haha, I was just going to say, I posted a bunch of stuff about Rouse in the other thread.

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Wheres Craig Dahl when you need him?

 

 

I dont know, I just threw that out there. <_<

 

 

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Probably not. So yeah where's Craig Dahl? Spags picked him up on his way to St. Louis.

 

Everyone take their expectations of what the defense would be like with Kenny Phillips in it and now bring it down to your expectations of the Giants defense with Shaun Williams in it.

 

Yes that is what our secondary now looks like. The occasional big hit followed by 16 games of Rouse chasing the play 15 yards away.

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I hope Rouse can be serviceable....but losing Phillips and getting some dude that couldn't make the Packers squad is a huge drop off in talent.

The Giants' defense is different than most teams. I'm hoping he is a better fit for our style of game than he was for the Packers. Let's hope Merritt knows how to groom him into the system so that he's effective. He won't be a regular player (barring a rash of injuries) for awhile and if he feels welcomed by the Giants, he might really turn it on. Apparantly, he had been on Perry's shit list for awhile (secondary/saftey coach) and it's hard for anyone to be their best when the boss just doesn't like you. A new team might bring out a man desparate to please his new boss and could end up being a steal. I guess we will have to wait and see.

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much is being made of philips 2 ints

 

on the one he was merely playing deep center field and romo grossly overthrew his receiver

 

on the2nd it was a miracle play where the ball bounced off wittens heel

 

lets not get carried away here

 

phillips was not all pro material.....he was an ok saftey.....nothing spectacular.....and did not live up to his pre draft hype

 

he was serviceable but has a chronic knee injury which may force retirement

 

gibril has a huge star his rookie season until he ran head on into a QB and his shoulder was never the same again

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much is being made of philips 2 ints

 

on the one he was merely playing deep center field and romo grossly overthrew his receiver

 

on the2nd it was a miracle play where the ball bounced off wittens heel

 

lets not get carried away here

 

phillips was not all pro material.....he was an ok saftey.....nothing spectacular.....and did not live up to his pre draft hype

 

he was serviceable but has a chronic knee injury which may force retirement

 

gibril has a huge star his rookie season until he ran head on into a QB and his shoulder was never the same again

 

 

Your analysis is 1) stupid, and 2) unwanted.

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In a couple of weeks, we're going to have one of the best cornerback combinations in the league: Webster, Thomas, Ross, Dockery, and Anderson. Who's to say we won't use extra CBs in some situations rather than safeties?

 

We also won games with a decrepit Brent Alexander as safety a few years ago.

 

We'll be OK.

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In a couple of weeks, we're going to have one of the best cornerback combinations in the league: Webster, Thomas, Ross, Dockery, and Anderson. Who's to say we won't use extra CBs in some situations rather than safeties?

 

We also won games with a decrepit Brent Alexander as safety a few years ago.

 

We'll be OK.

 

I agree, I think we will be ok. But KP was going to take our defense from great to elite.

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The problem now is how you cover the loss. The Giants are desperate here to fill the void, and Rouse still has air of potential about him, but there's got to be an issue with a 3rd rounder who gets dropped from a team simply going nowhere.

 

That said, I think this ensures more time for Boley on the field with his speed and also, you'll probably see a lot of 3 corner formations or nickel. Dockery and Thomas are 2 of the best nickel corners in the league.

 

I think we'll be okay.

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True. But great ain't so bad to have.

 

 

Yeah, I really agree with you and Boohyah. I'm just still expressing my disappointment over losing KP. We cannot afford another injury this week to our defense, especially in the secondary or on DLine. That would be a disaster.

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much is being made of philips 2 ints

 

on the one he was merely playing deep center field and romo grossly overthrew his receiver

 

on the2nd it was a miracle play where the ball bounced off wittens heel

 

lets not get carried away here

 

phillips was not all pro material.....he was an ok saftey.....nothing spectacular.....and did not live up to his pre draft hype

 

he was serviceable but has a chronic knee injury which may force retirement

 

gibril has a huge star his rookie season until he ran head on into a QB and his shoulder was never the same again

 

I normally try to be serious with your reasonable posts and ignore your blatant idiotic posts, but this is simply beyond moronic. You could watch KP getting better, learning the job and being a presence. It's not the end of the world, but by all visable accounts, it looked like KP was on his way to being a real playmaker. This is where I wish we still had Spags, his way of getting the most from mid level players would be a real help here.

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I normally try to be serious with your reasonable posts and ignore your blatant idiotic posts, but this is simply beyond moronic. You could watch KP getting better, learning the job and being a presence. It's not the end of the world, but by all visable accounts, it looked like KP was on his way to being a real playmaker. This is where I wish we still had Spags, his way of getting the most from mid level players would be a real help here.

 

whats idiotic about it

 

Philips was not he next coming.........what made you think this guy was so great?

 

His 2 INT were 1- lucky, and two he was in the right place at the right time

 

Even Hedgecock could have caught the one to deep center field

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