Nas Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Cops all over the country seem to have been told to make up the budget shortcomings with traffic tickets. Beware! Yep, they have to get paid for doing nothing all day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Bullshit, it will probably be a paramedic showing up as the first responder. Pretty much, paramedic myself and volunteer firefighter plus fire responder for the same area. I've never seen a cop do much more then block off a scene at a traffic accident, I wouldnt want to know what a cop would do if he had to help someone. They usually wait for us to show up to make sure the scene is completely safe and then allow the fire team to move in to preform an auto-ex of the vehicle if needed then after that the paramedics are free to move in. I think the longest I've ever had to take to get to a scene was six or seven minutes because it was out of town. The only time a cop has priority on a accident scene is if there is a human threat present, i.e bomb, person with a weapon. This isnt a post to bash cops or anything like that, infact two guys on my local fire team ARE cops and I love em like family. Even they admit there is some corruption/"big headedness" in any police force...any Emergency service for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I don't know about in NY, but I think PE said it all in their 911 song. Here in CA, the FD and private companies are the paramedics. They show up pretty quick, the PD not so much, but they are always writing tickets during rush hour. Here in AZ too. And they are without a doubt the first on the scene. There's a very elderly lady that lives across the street from me. Her family comes to check on her periodically. One time, when she was alone, a dude tried to rob her. When he was spotted, he ran onto my property. He was trying to get in my laundry room to hide. My younger brother(who is big like John Cena and is a 3rd degree blackbelt) saw him and went and stopped him. I heard the rukus and went out to. We held him till the cops came........20 minutes later!!! The paramedics were at the elderly ladies house within minutes when we called them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Cops do themselves no favors in terms of public confidence. Most act like bullys. I rarely have had a decent experience with them. The cops here in Beacon/Fishkill are pretty lousy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorBanksCarsonVanPelt Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 I don't know about in NY, but I think PE said it all in their 911 song. Here in CA, the FD and private companies are the paramedics. They show up pretty quick, the PD not so much, but they are always writing tickets during rush hour. You see in NY unlike the rest of the country if not the world....usually the cops are in charge of most emergencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 With all due respect, it doesn't sound like you're telling the complete truth in your story. As an NYPD officer, I can tell you first hand that a car does not get impounded unless you are DWI, DUI or you are driving w/out a licence or have a suspended licence. If it was what you say it is ("a minor traffic violation") than you have every right to sue the officer and the police department responsible....but I highly doubt this was the case. Not accusing you...just questioning your story. And yes, you are correct that some police officers have "big heads". I agree with you 100%. Is there a quota? Yes. But you left out reason #3 on your ticket writing rules, which is the most important...allow me: 3. A crime (misd or felony) has not occured but the officer suspects one may occur due to the recklessness of the way someone is operating the vehicle. In other words...ticket writing is the best deterrent of a major crime or deadly accident. The REAL assholes you should be complaining about are the civilian traffic agents that pop up out of nowhere to scan your registration. Leave the cops alone! This doesn't even make sense. Reckless driving is ticketable offense, so either it's a misdemeanor or it isn't. We're talking speeding ticket here. I don't think that is going to rack up time on a suspension, if that's the worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Cops do themselves no favors in terms of public confidence. Most act like bullys. I rarely have had a decent experience with them. The cops here in Beacon/Fishkill are pretty lousy. You got the correctional facility there C.O's are bigger assholes, C.O's are mostly kids they got picked on in high school and bulked up and now take out their frustrations on society. Assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StrahansGap Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 This doesn't even make sense. Reckless driving is ticketable offense, so either it's a misdemeanor or it isn't. We're talking speeding ticket here. I don't think that is going to rack up time on a suspension, if that's the worry. Reckless driving is NOT a driving violation. The ticket you get for driving recklessly is a CRIMINAL COURT summons. You MUST appear in court before a judge. Regardless, the sentence really doesn't make sense. What I should have said was something along the lines of "Cops can articulate reasonable suspicion if someone is driving recklessly. It's safe for a cop to assume the reckless driver is DWI or possibly fleeing from a crime." But when I said "one may occur" I more so meant it as if a cop believes the reckless driving will lead to a serious physical injury or death, he has every right to pull the asshole over and do what he has to do. In regards to someone driving fast because "they are rushing to the hospital", I can tell you that 9 out of 10 times the cop will let him/her go if the cop believes the story. Motorists will lie more than lawyers...you would be very surprised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StrahansGap Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 The last time I called the cops was when my house was robbed back in the year 2000. My brother was a day old and my father and I went to go visit him and my mother in the hospital, we come back from the hospital around 4 and bam...our house was robbed. The cops come to my house at around 10:00 PM and they start asking my father questions like what was stolen and what not, etc. He said that around 4 of his watches were all gone and the cop goes "well what kind of watches were they? He told them "one was a Rolex, one was a Tag Hauer that I had bought in Jamaica and 2 others were Bulova" the cop starts arguing with my father on how "real" the Tag Hauer watch was. My father flipped shit, I'd never seen him so pissed off before. He goes "I don't give a FUCK if my watch was fake (it wasn't) or not..just find the fucking guy who robbed our house. Protect and Serve!!!!!! Houses don't get robbed....they get burglarized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Houses don't get robbed....they get burglarized. Don't be a wise ass, you know exactly what I mean. There was no reason for that cop to say what he said and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StrahansGap Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Don't be a wise ass, you know exactly what I mean. There was no reason for that cop to say what he said and you know it. Your sarcastic "Protect and Serve!!!" line made me give a wise ass remark. I'm sure your fathers reaction was good enough proof that he wasn't lying about the Tag Hauer. The officer HAD to ask it though, if he felt the list of items being reported missing were questionable. I know I have seen the flip side of this and I'll bet the officer that responded to your house has too. Where a complainant claims his house was burglarized which it may have been, but the complainant finds a grand opportunity to add to the list of items missing. In this case (and I've seen it happen a lot), the complainant gets collared for filing a false police report. So call the cop what you want, but he was doing his job. In the NYPD alone, we are 50,000 strong. 100 cops or so are bound to be bad apples out of 50,000. What do you do for a living? I'm sure if you put 50,000 people together that do what you do, there are bound to be some bad apples too. Unfortunately, cops are held to a much higher standard than regular civilian jobs and when we fuck up...EVERYBODY hears about it. Think about it for a second..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 My brother is born and my house gets burglarized, yeah my father was really gonna lie about what was stolen of his. Hell, the guy who did it took most of MY stuff and went off with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Reckless driving is NOT a driving violation. The ticket you get for driving recklessly is a CRIMINAL COURT summons. You MUST appear in court before a judge. Regardless, the sentence really doesn't make sense. What I should have said was something along the lines of "Cops can articulate reasonable suspicion if someone is driving recklessly. It's safe for a cop to assume the reckless driver is DWI or possibly fleeing from a crime." But when I said "one may occur" I more so meant it as if a cop believes the reckless driving will lead to a serious physical injury or death, he has every right to pull the asshole over and do what he has to do. In regards to someone driving fast because "they are rushing to the hospital", I can tell you that 9 out of 10 times the cop will let him/her go if the cop believes the story. Motorists will lie more than lawyers...you would be very surprised! I'll be honest--I really don't care if it's a driving violation or a criminal court summons. But I do appreciate you clarifying your statement. It's still a speeding ticket, with what sounds like a cop adding to the municipal income on the other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Your sarcastic "Protect and Serve!!!" line made me give a wise ass remark. I'm sure your fathers reaction was good enough proof that he wasn't lying about the Tag Hauer. The officer HAD to ask it though, if he felt the list of items being reported missing were questionable. I know I have seen the flip side of this and I'll bet the officer that responded to your house has too. Where a complainant claims his house was burglarized which it may have been, but the complainant finds a grand opportunity to add to the list of items missing. In this case (and I've seen it happen a lot), the complainant gets collared for filing a false police report. So call the cop what you want, but he was doing his job. In the NYPD alone, we are 50,000 strong. 100 cops or so are bound to be bad apples out of 50,000. What do you do for a living? I'm sure if you put 50,000 people together that do what you do, there are bound to be some bad apples too. Unfortunately, cops are held to a much higher standard than regular civilian jobs and when we fuck up...EVERYBODY hears about it. Think about it for a second..... No offense, but if a cop fucks up, chances are the citizen has to shut the fuck up and deal with it. Plus how many of us have jobs where you can lawfully carry a gun and handcuff people. Cops should be held to a high standard, they are "public servants" after all. Taxpayers are paying the salary And honestly I understand NY cops have shitty pay, but no-one forces them to take the job. It does seem to be an excuse to cop an attitude. And being honest, I can't remember ever having a positive experience dealing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steitzenhaus Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 No offense, but if a cop fucks up, chances are the citizen has to shut the fuck up and deal with it. Plus how many of us have jobs where you can lawfully carry a gun and handcuff people. Cops should be held to a high standard, they are "public servants" after all. Taxpayers are paying the salary And honestly I understand NY cops have shitty pay, but no-one forces them to take the job. It does seem to be an excuse to cop an attitude. And being honest, I can't remember ever having a positive experience dealing with them. Cops are citizens who are allowed to carry guns and arrest people they deem are violating the law. A pretty big responsibility. Personally, I won't defend a cop. They have never done anything to help me or anyone I know for that matter. However, they have taken money out of my pocket for not wearing a seat belt. Why I should give someone money for that I will never know but I digress. I'm not going to rip city cops here because they actually have to deal with serious issues on a daily basis. But overall, my respect for them is next to nothing. Indeed, they are tremendous fund raisers and they certainly are very creative in devising new hiding spots to catch that person coming home from a shitty day of work going 10 over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgutmartyr Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'll defend some. The PA State Troopers I've met have always been at the very least, professional. Most have actually been courteous and respectful. Haven't dealt with local police around here that much (and I'm not complaining), but again, friendly. I don't know NYC police that much (again, not complaining--you're not supposed to deal with them too much, at least not while they're on the clock), and I have no comment. Cops in NJ, where I lived, and the State Troopers I've encountered were assholes. Some of the local cops were ok on their own, but something happened when they put that badge on. And the State Troopers just don't want to be bothered with you, at best; and make it a personal goal to make you miserable for even a minor infraction. Oh, and RunIt--the cop didn't take that money out of your pocket for not having a seat belt on: that's your fine government representative, making sure your interests are served, and not entities like insurance companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Cops are citizens who are allowed to carry guns and arrest people they deem are violating the law. A pretty big responsibility. Personally, I won't defend a cop. They have never done anything to help me or anyone I know for that matter. However, they have taken money out of my pocket for not wearing a seat belt. Why I should give someone money for that I will never know but I digress. I'm not going to rip city cops here because they actually have to deal with serious issues on a daily basis. But overall, my respect for them is next to nothing. Indeed, they are tremendous fund raisers and they certainly are very creative in devising new hiding spots to catch that person coming home from a shitty day of work going 10 over. Frankly, that's one area where you should be glad they pulled you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscholar Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 In looking at the list of offenses, it do not take a genius that: 1. Yes, he may have deserved the reckless driving ticket, but again that is subjective. 2. Clearly, the add on violations are an attempt to throw everything they can at Plax Therefore, you have to question the motive of the officer(s) involved. A homosapien using his brain should be able to deduce this as not only a plausible, but probable scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadEgg Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Ahhh, that explains it. You're a cop yourself. Well, this convo can only go one way, so I wont harp on it too much. But at the time, I didnt have a license. So, you are gonna tell me, UNBIASED, that thats more than a minor traffic violation? If you say yes, thats being a hipocrit. Because Im sure you havent towed EVERY car that you found someone driving on a suspended license. It was a traffic speeding ticket that I merely overlooked. TOW MY CAR??? WHY?? Ive seen NUMEROUS people get a ticket for driving on a suspended license, and Im the 1st one to ever get my car towed to the best of my knowledge. Now, has anyone ever gotten their car towed? Sure. But not everyone. So how do you explain the selective choosing? Thats my point. Cops are human, so if a big payday or a spiff of some sort are within reach, they will ticket/tow when they normally wouldnt. My girl was there, her license good, she coulda drove. I have virtually ZERO record. I mean....why?? Why was your license suspended, Bigblue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Why was your license suspended, Bigblue? I believe I stated it earlier, overlooked a speeding ticket. Now go back into hibernation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I believe I stated it earlier, overlooked a speeding ticket. Now go back into hibernation. the dog was curious what the minor violation was that you were pulled over for the second time? the dog really doesn't have an issue with the police. the fact is, if the dog were in a line of work where a basic vehicle stop for a traffic violation has the potential to turn into a violent shoot out where your life may be in danger, the dog can't say what his demeanor would be. if they are a little head strong or quick to play tough and write tickets, so be it. the dog has seen enough episodes of cops to realize that dealing with what they deal with on a day to day basis is painful... this doesn't distract attention away from the fact that burress should be punished... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 i got no beef with nypd but ny state troopers are faggots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 the dog was curious what the minor violation was that you were pulled over for the second time? the dog really doesn't have an issue with the police. the fact is, if the dog were in a line of work where a basic vehicle stop for a traffic violation has the potential to turn into a violent shoot out where your life may be in danger, the dog can't say what his demeanor would be. if they are a little head strong or quick to play tough and write tickets, so be it. the dog has seen enough episodes of cops to realize that dealing with what they deal with on a day to day basis is painful... this doesn't distract attention away from the fact that burress should be punished... In Mesa AZ, you are not allowed to turn right on a red light when exiting the freeway. I have only lived in Mesa the last couple of years, so I'm used to Phx, where you can. And I didnt pay a speeding ticket a month earlier, so it was impounded. No matter what anyone says, this was a money making scheme. Friends that are Phx PD are saying that Mesa is like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'll defend some. The PA State Troopers I've met have always been at the very least, professional. Most have actually been courteous and respectful. Haven't dealt with local police around here that much (and I'm not complaining), but again, friendly. Yeah, I've always had decent enough dealings with cops around here. Of course, I live in Cincinnati, and being a white dude, natually the cops are nice to me. I even had a warrant out once, dude was cool as shit, it was straightened out before I even had to get out of the car. Now if I were a black dude they would have had my ass sprawled out on the curb and my car searched before they asked any questions. And as for the warrant? Clerical error. No harm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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