ppodlesny Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Plax and Osi are currently under contract and last time I checked we have 11 million or so in cap room. Signing one old TE and one stud linebacker definitely fits within 11 million cap space(which is before contracts are restructured anyway). Point is, we'd be nowhere near being over 30 million over the cap. You've never seen the Cowboys and Redskins be 5 miillion under and then sign 7 star quality players in one offseason? They manage to do it every year and avoid salary cap hell. It's all about structuring the bonuses and letting players go when they are no longer earning their potential salary. and they have how many Superbowls in the last 10 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 We'd still be acquiring his salary that would affect our cap, right? And based on that criterion he is the highest paid TE in the NFL, at over $4 million per season. I don't know what his salary will be in 2009, but in '07 and '08 his base salary was only $1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 I don't know what his salary will be in 2009, but in '07 and '08 his base salary was only $1 million. What's your source? Rotoworld says this: Tony Gonzalez contract: 1/12/2006: Signed a five-year, $35 million contract. The deal includes $17.75 million guaranteed. 2009: $4 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: $5.75 million, 2012: Free Agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstarjim Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 and they have how many Superbowls in the last 10 years? Exactly. If the Cowboys and Redskins have taught the rest of us anything it is that you don't win championships by buying as many "stars" as you can. We did it by drafting well and acquiring solid pieces that fit well in our system but were not necessarily considered stars, like Kawika Mitchell. I think when you go out and spend a lot on a "star", you have to make sure that they are going to fit well and will definitely improve your team. Dansby is that kind of player, IMO. A 33 year old TE who is the highest paid at his position, when we already have pretty good TE's, is not. We can sign Dansby, re-sign Jacobs, and draft well and we have a phenomenal TEAM going into 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 There's only one player I want the Giants to sign.... Albert Hanyesworth. Good luck double teaming Tuck, Robbins, Osi and Albert. Yeah that would be awesome! PLUS we'd get to watch him bitch-stomp Andre Gurode's head TWICE a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donovan4prez Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 say you had the common sense of a cell phone charger...... say you didn't smoke so much weed that you could get a decent job and move out your mom's house...... say you didn't lie about your fiancee and giant's decorated basement....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 We also have to sign our draft picks and any other free agents we might be looking into and re-sign Eli. I don't think the way to structure a team under the cap is to invest in the priciest TE. I think we should focus on our areas of need, which are WR and linebacker, and go for depth from there, because we have a lot of players whose contracts are up after next season. Players slated to be free agents after 2009 season: Kevin Boothe Chase Blackburn Danny Clark Jeremy Clark Reuben Droughns Jeff Feagles Derek Hagan (he is under contract for 2009) Travonti Johnson Sam Madison Eli Manning Michael Matthews Edmond Miles Martrez Milner Sinorice Moss :clap: Fred Robbins Steve Smith Guy Whimper Gerris Wilkinson I know several of those players are just spare parts that might not even make the team this coming season, but we do need to worry about re-signing Eli, replacing Fred Robbins, decide what to do with Steve Smith, worry about guard, tackle and linebacker depth, and see what Feagles wants to do. So from a draft perspective I think I am going to try and find me a replacement for Robbins, a WR, a mid-round LBer and corner, a tackle, and a guard. I just don't see many players on that list that are even worth resigning...Robbins, Smith, Manning, Moss, and maybe Danny Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 and they have how many Superbowls in the last 10 years? That has absolutely nothing to do with being able to sign 2 free agents with 11 million cap room(and most likely more when Eli is re-signed and other players are let go. You said we'd be 30 million over the cap. I'm guessing we'd be 5-6 million under the cap still if we picked up Dansby and Gonzalez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Exactly. If the Cowboys and Redskins have taught the rest of us anything it is that you don't win championships by buying as many "stars" as you can. We did it by drafting well and acquiring solid pieces that fit well in our system but were not necessarily considered stars, like Kawika Mitchell. I think when you go out and spend a lot on a "star", you have to make sure that they are going to fit well and will definitely improve your team. Dansby is that kind of player, IMO. A 33 year old TE who is the highest paid at his position, when we already have pretty good TE's, is not. We can sign Dansby, re-sign Jacobs, and draft well and we have a phenomenal TEAM going into 2009. So even though the Giants are expressing interest in Gonzalez and Dansby, they wouldn't fit well in our system? Seems to me interest means the front office believes they would be perfect fits for our system. And you're talking about the difference between a tight end that puts up 60+ receptions and 10+ touchdowns and a tight end that puts up 30 receptions and 5 touchdowns. Age really doesn't matter in this case because our team is obviously built to win right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazedDogs Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 What's your source? Rotoworld says this: Tony Gonzalez contract: 1/12/2006: Signed a five-year, $35 million contract. The deal includes $17.75 million guaranteed. 2009: $4 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: $5.75 million, 2012: Free Agent USA Today, but they're only current through '08. For all I know, it could jump to $4 million in '09...if thats what we'd pay him, I'd pass. But if he'd restructure to sub $2 million?....think that would make it worthwhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 We also have to sign our draft picks and any other free agents we might be looking into and re-sign Eli. I don't think the way to structure a team under the cap is to invest in the priciest TE. I think we should focus on our areas of need, which are WR and linebacker, and go for depth from there, because we have a lot of players whose contracts are up after next season. Players slated to be free agents after 2009 season: Kevin Boothe Chase Blackburn Danny Clark Jeremy Clark Reuben Droughns Jeff Feagles Derek Hagan (he is under contract for 2009) Travonti Johnson Sam Madison Eli Manning Michael Matthews Edmond Miles Martrez Milner Sinorice Moss :clap: Fred Robbins Steve Smith Guy Whimper Gerris Wilkinson I know several of those players are just spare parts that might not even make the team this coming season, but we do need to worry about re-signing Eli, replacing Fred Robbins, decide what to do with Steve Smith, worry about guard, tackle and linebacker depth, and see what Feagles wants to do. So from a draft perspective I think I am going to try and find me a replacement for Robbins, a WR, a mid-round LBer and corner, a tackle, and a guard. Droughans won't make it past March. He has a roster bonus due to him for $250k at that time. Feagles will probably retire. madison will be coaching somewhere. Robbins may be expendible at that point, depends how Jay Alford develops. Plus Alford will be cheaper. Smith has to be signed, clearly Eli does. If Blackburn has another season like this one, he'll get interest in free agency and he'd be well advised to seek compensation. I'd extend Boothe now if you ask me, I think he's going to be a starter later on down the line, lock him up for 3 years with an escalating salary. Clark will be gone. I'll offer to drive Moss and Wilkerson to Oakland in the offseason, with no return journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ppodlesny Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Players slated to be free agents after 2009 season: Kevin Boothe -WILL BE RESIGNED Chase Blackburn - MIGHT BE IF NO OTHER TEAM THROWS HIM CASH Danny Clark - GONE Jeremy Clark - GONE Reuben Droughns - GONE Jeff Feagles - RETIRE Derek Hagan (he is under contract for 2009) Travonti Johnson -WHO? Sam Madison - RETIRE Eli Manning -BIG CONTRACT Michael Matthews - RESIGNED CHEAP Edmond Miles - WHO? Martrez Milner - WHO? Sinorice Moss :clap: :LMAO: can I show him the door? Fred Robbins hmm tough to call, my guess is resign unless they can grab a stud in the draft Steve Smith - RESIGN Guy Whimper - VERY DISAPPOINTING - he will be let go Gerris Wilkinson - Another disappointing pick, but I have a feeling the will resign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInCanada Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Kevin Boothe -Resign Chase Blackburn -Gone Danny Clark -Gone Jeremy Clark -Gone Reuben Droughns -50/50 if he takes a pay cut he stays Jeff Feagles -Probably retire Derek Hagan (he is under contract for 2009) -Gone Travonti Johnson -Who? Gone Sam Madison -Retire, hopefully stays with organization Eli Manning -Resign Michael Matthews -Should be cheap, resign Edmond Miles -Who? Gone Martrez Milner -Who? Gone Sinorice Moss :clap: -90% chance he is gone Fred Robbins -Will retire a Giant Steve Smith -Resign Guy Whimper -Willing to take a pay cut he resigns Gerris Wilkinson -Depends how he does next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Thats a pipe dream. say we get Dansby, Gonzalez say we get Plax back we would have 4 all pro players added to our roster 2 on d and 2 on O Dansby and Osi Plax and Gonzo plus 4 first day picks (2offense, 2defense) that would be sex rite there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osi724dasack Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Is Smith really a F/A AFTER 09??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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