boohyah Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 but apparently not. How fast was that hiring of a mediocre coach. I mean for God sakes, how do you not at least give Shanahan a call? Randy Lerner surprises me. He owns a team in the Premier League (Aston Villa), who have gone from a poor team, to a top 4 team, which is a huge deal in England (UK Giantsfan will vouch this), all because of the guy he hired to coach them, and thenon this side of the Atlantic,he does this. Bizarre stuff. (shakes head). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 And even before they have a new GM. I guess the Browns want to continue their quest into obsolescence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 ...why would you think the Browns would be smarter than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 but apparently not. How fast was that hiring of a mediocre coach. I mean for God sakes, how do you not at least give Shanahan a call? Randy Lerner surprises me. He owns a team in the Premier League (Aston Villa), who have gone from a poor team, to a top 4 team, which is a huge deal in England (UK Giantsfan will vouch this), all because of the guy he hired to coach them, and thenon this side of the Atlantic,he does this. Bizarre stuff. (shakes head). I saw that Man U lost to the mighty Derby County in the Carling Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 And as far as Cleveland go, every team that doesn't sign Spags gets from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 And as far as Cleveland go, every team that doesn't sign Spags gets from me. AMEN!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echochamber Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Preach on, tree! preach on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 I saw that Man U lost to the mighty Derby County in the Carling Cup. You had to bring that up didn't you? Please, I sat thru that mess last night, just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 ...why would you think the Browns would be smarter than this? I explained why at the bottom, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 You had to bring that up didn't you? Please, I sat thru that mess last night, just awful. I've got a Pommie friend back home who's a life-long Derby supporter and Man U hater. I bet he's doing backflips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 I've got a Pommie friend back home who's a life-long Derby supporter and Man U hater. I bet he's doing backflips. back in the early 70's, Derby beating Man Utd wouldn't have been a big deal, now it's huge. I can't complaing though, Derby were better and we just performed awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 And Manginas failure is now complete. Eric Mangini Picks Rob Ryan to Run the Defense in Cleveland Eric Mangini Picks Rob Ryan to Run the Defense in Cleveland Earlier today, MDS informed us that the Cleveland Browns are prepared to name Eric Mangini their new head coach, replacing Romeo Crennel. This comes just two days after reports surfaced that Mangini, who had not yet been named the Browns head coach, was already beginning to assemble his staff. Well, tonight, NFL.com's Adam Schefter is reporting that Mangini -- who still hasn't officially been named the Browns head coach -- has named Rob Ryan as his defensive coordinator. Ryan had been the Raiders defensive coordinator since the 2004 season, and was apparently a favorite of owner Al Davis. During Ryan's tenure with the Raiders, their defense ranked 27th, 22nd, 3rd, 27th, and 30th, while he also had a less-than-stellar working relationship with former head coach Lane Kiffin. He was also responsible for one of the best quotes of the season, when he informed the Oakland media that this is the "National F[reaking] Football League." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think after this teams will finally learn that the Patriot's success has little to do with its coordinators. Or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 but apparently not. How fast was that hiring of a mediocre coach. I mean for God sakes, how do you not at least give Shanahan a call? Randy Lerner surprises me. He owns a team in the Premier League (Aston Villa), who have gone from a poor team, to a top 4 team, which is a huge deal in England (UK Giantsfan will vouch this), all because of the guy he hired to coach them, and thenon this side of the Atlantic,he does this. Bizarre stuff. (shakes head). they did move a tad fast, but the dog still thinks mangini has a bad rap - two winning seasons in your first three years as a head coach in the NFL is solid relative to many coaches, and he really didn't have a ton to work with. The dog also thought that Shanahan had stated he wanted to take a year off and come back in 2010 ala cowher...not that they couldn't have reached out, but they may have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 they did move a tad fast, but the dog still thinks mangini has a bad rap - two winning seasons in your first three years as a head coach in the NFL is solid relative to many coaches, and he really didn't have a ton to work with. The dog also thought that Shanahan had stated he wanted to take a year off and come back in 2010 ala cowher...not that they couldn't have reached out, but they may have... Mangini has a rap alright, that he's a bad head coach. Some of his decisions this year were pop warner level.. And I totally disagree that he didn't have a lot to work with. Nobody made more moves in the offseason to try and improve their team than the Jets, they've had how many first round picks these last few seasons. Although I don't agree with it, the Jets had 7, count them, 7! pro bowlers, one more than the Giants. He could do a Coughlin, but I doubt it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think after this teams will finally learn that the Patriot's success has little to do with its coordinators. Or not. that's what they were saying about the giants when belicheck f'd up cleveland. mangini could very well be a bust- but you can't condemn the man after his first 4 years with a team that's known for eating up coaches. he could learn from his mistakes and be better this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Mangini has a rap alright, that he's a bad head coach. Some of his decisions this year were pop warner level.. And I totally disagree that he didn't have a lot to work with. Nobody made more moves in the offseason to try and improve their team than the Jets, they've had how many first round picks these last few seasons. Although I don't agree with it, the Jets had 7, count them, 7! pro bowlers, one more than the Giants. He could do a Coughlin, but I doubt it seriously. the dog is not so sure that there are too many coaches in the league that started with 2 winning seasons in their first three years. he did it in NY, obviously a place closely scrutinized...he did it with unhealthy, relatively average QBs (and the whole favre thing this year was really not a benefit to that team)...it is true that they made a number of moves to try and bring in more talent, but that takes time to gel together (certainly more than 3 years). look, the dog isn't a huge mangini fan, but to discard a man that has two winning seasons in his first three years as a head coach in NFL is premature. and this just in, the probowl is a joke - if you want to say he had 7 probowlers and that should mean he is working with good talent, the dog can't agree, especially when 2 of them were bret favre and return specialist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 dog, leon washington had 2300+ yards and 9 td's. he's their best playmaker and IMO definitely deserves a spot on the probowl roster. i agree with you to an extent that mangini isn't as bad as his rep, but the way he misused washington and keller is a joke. there was a game down the stretch where leon got ONE freaking carry, and it was for a 47 yard td. if they use him right they probably make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 dog, leon washington had 2300+ yards and 9 td's. he's their best playmaker and IMO definitely deserves a spot on the probowl roster. i agree with you to an extent that mangini isn't as bad as his rep, but the way he misused washington and keller is a joke. there was a game down the stretch where leon got ONE freaking carry, and it was for a 47 yard td. if they use him right they probably make the playoffs the dog isn't saying he is undeserving...just that he is a return specialist (a majority of the yards)...he wasn't being named to the probowl as an every down back that is carrying the load 25 times a game... they did not use him effectively - very true. but the fact that the jets fired mangini and are interviewing the coordinators for the head coaching job is poor, as neither was effective. again, the dog is no big fan of mangini, but you can't dismiss him at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 the dog isn't saying he is undeserving...just that he is a return specialist (a majority of the yards)...he wasn't being named to the probowl as an every down back that is carrying the load 25 times a game... they did not use him effectively - very true. but the fact that the jets fired mangini and are interviewing the coordinators for the head coaching job is poor, as neither was effective. again, the dog is no big fan of mangini, but you can't dismiss him at this point... i dont, and i dont even know if i would have fired him because favre killed that team more than anyone else. i just dont see washington as just a kick returner and think the fact that he made it was because he distinguished himeslf in other areas of the game and they happened to have a slot that he fit into. mangini's misuse of washington was a HUGE offense in my opinion though. they had 3 capable tight ends and the one that favre had good chemistry with was suddenly banished to the bench down the stretch and their biggest homerun hitter was barely used despite making the most of his opportunities. personally i would've given him another season, but i can definitely see some good reasons here to fire him. i also think woody's mancrush on favre played a factor. i dont see why woody likes the younger schottenheimer so much. that offense was loaded with weapons and they had nothing to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 i dont, and i dont even know if i would have fired him because favre killed that team more than anyone else. i just dont see washington as just a kick returner and think the fact that he made it was because he distinguished himeslf in other areas of the game and they happened to have a slot that he fit into. mangini's misuse of washington was a HUGE offense in my opinion though. they had 3 capable tight ends and the one that favre had good chemistry with was suddenly banished to the bench down the stretch and their biggest homerun hitter was barely used despite making the most of his opportunities. personally i would've given him another season, but i can definitely see some good reasons here to fire him. i also think woody's mancrush on favre played a factor. i dont see why woody likes the younger schottenheimer so much. that offense was loaded with weapons and they had nothing to show for it. good points about washington...the dog also sees the point regarding having some cause to fire him - the other factor in all of this is, there really isn't much out there by way of potential head coaches, so to fire a guy that had won very early in his career is risky. obvioulsy people are high on cowher and now shanahan, but beyond that, there isn't much by way of proven coaches to pick from, and bringing in coordinators is always a risk (i.e., everyone loves spagnolo and with good reason, but being a d-coordinator and being a head coach are two very different things)...the start of the thread was the fact that the browns are being stupid - the dog thinks the browns moved quickly to get themselves a young coach that has proven he can win in the league, and relative to what else is out there, that is not a bad option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue25 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I don't know why everyone hates Mangini, not his fault the Jets wanted to start a media frenzy and sign a 40 year old piece of shit who never mans up and takes blame for himself i refuse to the call the above mentioned piece of shit by his real name cause he doesn't deserve that much respect. Mangini was labeled a genius just two years ago, the Jets would be the #1 seed in the AFC if the again above mentioned piece of shit didn't throw 80 yards downfield on every play, and actually played into Mangini's system. Mangini was what Spags is today when he was in New England, when he went to NY he did innovative things on defense and screwed with Brady's head before Spags did in last years super bowl don't know why everybody hates Mangini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Actually I think firing Shanahan, when he was on his 6th RB (who was still productive) at the end of a season plagued with injuries, was far worse than letting Mangini go. I think Denver could have been really competitive next season with Cutler & Royal coming on and a healthy RB corps. Some defensive tweaking and they'd be set. A new coach is rolling the dice all over again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 that's what they were saying about the giants when belicheck f'd up cleveland. mangini could very well be a bust- but you can't condemn the man after his first 4 years with a team that's known for eating up coaches. he could learn from his mistakes and be better this time. I don't think going from one coach eating team to another is gonna help him much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksm7 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Actually I think firing Shanahan, when he was on his 6th RB (who was still productive) at the end of a season plagued with injuries, was far worse than letting Mangini go. I think Denver could have been really competitive next season with Cutler & Royal coming on and a healthy RB corps. Some defensive tweaking and they'd be set. A new coach is rolling the dice all over again though. it was an interesting move, again, considering what is out there...although in the dog's opinion, denver and shanahan seem to be a combination that had grown stale. agree about the injuries (they also apparently lost 5 starters on defense over a 3 or 4 game stretch and started 5 rookies during that time), but in the end, they had won 1 playoff game in the last 10 seasons, and had only been there 4 times in the last 10 seasons. not that shanahan is a bad coach, and he is going to go somewhere in the next two years and win, but it may have run its course in denver. the one issue they face is how cutler will react, as the dog gets the impression he and shanahan were pretty tight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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