Clarence the Blue Puppet Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 when do they not roast him when they lose? its always his fault and its ridiculous. not to say his play over the vikings game and the first 3 quarters of today doesnt warrant it but still... fact is he got it done today when we most needed it, and considering what he was facing if he just continued to roll over and die, you can't downgrade that. They need to use the hurry up all game, every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted December 3, 2007 Author Share Posted December 3, 2007 They need to use the hurry up all game, every game. I used to think that too, but they tried it towards the end of last year and it was a disaster. Also... think of all the picks Eli's thrown at the end of the half this year in the hurry-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randoff Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 when do they not roast him when they lose? its always his fault and its ridiculous. not to say his play over the vikings game and the first 3 quarters of today doesnt warrant it but still... fact is he got it done today when we most needed it, and considering what he was facing if he just continued to roll over and die, you can't downgrade that. But...I wont roast him but his throws were so typical. Over the heads, in the dirt and he flipped some pass up for grabs like he was an amateur. Toomer and Plax bailed him out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 But...I wont roast him but his throws were so typical. Over the heads, in the dirt and he flipped some pass up for grabs like he was an amateur. Toomer and Plax bailed him out! That was a pretty good thrown ball that Plaxico caught, what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randoff Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That was a pretty good thrown ball that Plaxico caught, what are you talking about? You're serious? A 'pretty good throw to Plax by Eli would have been 3 feet over Plax's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphScott Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 You're serious? A 'pretty good throw to Plax by Eli would have been 3 feet over Plax's head. Unless there is a communication breakdown between us...it was a good throw. Put where the only place Plax could catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFP Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 I used to think that too, but they tried it towards the end of last year and it was a disaster. Also... think of all the picks Eli's thrown at the end of the half this year in the hurry-up. He just seems so much more comfortable in the hurry up. I know it's not feasible for Eli to be in an hurry up all game, but I definitely think they need to compare film of Eli in the hurry up v the standard offense and try to determine if there are some sort of positive and negative trends to improve and eliminate, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Despite 4 weeks of Eli terrible performance....the Giants are in position to pull this game out. Eli ONCE AGAIN saved by Toomer! Or you can look it by saying.. FINALLY THE WRs CAUGHT THE FUCKING BALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorillaNJ Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Or you can look it by saying.. FINALLY THE WRs CAUGHT THE FUCKING BALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Say what you want about the jump ball, but a healthy Plax would've come down with that, and we'd all be talking about what a great play that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Or you can look it by saying.. FINALLY THE WRs CAUGHT THE FUCKING BALL!!! You can't support you're argument by using that as an example Nas, Toomer made a great catch there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Say what you want about the jump ball, but a healthy Plax would've come down with that, and we'd all be talking about what a great play that was. Even a healthy Plax would have struggled to find that one. It was a good three yards short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Even a healthy Plax would have struggled to find that one. It was a good three yards short. Nah, if you watch it again you'll see that when the ball was released Plax was in good position. He just kept moving backwards when the ball was in the air. Then his jump for the ball was just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Nah, if you watch it again you'll see that when the ball was released Plax was in good position. He just kept moving backwards when the ball was in the air. Then his jump for the ball was just pathetic. Plax had back position and should have been moving backwards. If Eli put it high in the back corner it would have taken the defender out of the play entirely. It should have been an easy TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Plax had back position and should have been moving backwards. If Eli put it high in the back corner it would have taken the defender out of the play entirely. It should have been an easy TD. Yes if Plax didn't have 5 inches of height on Tillman, you'd have a point. But a jump ball is a jump ball. He didn't have to move backward, just out jump Tillman. Which he could've done easily when he was healthy. Considering he just threw off a defensive lineman and threw the ball up, I don't see how it 'should have' been an easy td. You can watch it again on nfl.com. Plax had the whole outside of the endzone. He shouldn't have moved backward. Moving backward only put Tillman between him and the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Yes if Plax didn't have 5 inches of height on Tillman, you'd have a point. But a jump ball is a jump ball. He didn't have to move backward, just out jump Tillman. Which he could've done easily when he was healthy. Considering he just threw off a defensive lineman and threw the ball up, I don't see how it 'should have' been an easy td. Easier I agree with, easily I don't know about. Eli made a good escape for once and I give him credit for that, but he had the time to set for that throw. It was the right throw he just lobbed it too softly. I'll have to watch it again but I recall Tillman catching it out infront of him, not above his head. I think Plax would have struggled to get it jumping or otherwise. He certainly would have been able to react quicker and reverse his direction faster on a fit ankle though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Easier I agree with, easily I don't know about. Eli made a good escape for once and I give him credit for that, but he had the time to set for that throw. It was the right throw he just lobbed it too softly. I'll have to watch it again but I recall Tillman catching it out infront of him, not above his head. I think Plax would have struggled to get it jumping or otherwise. He certainly would have been able to react quicker and reverse his direction faster on a fit ankle though. Yes it was in front of Plax. That's why I'm saying he shouldn't have dropped backwards. The ball was in the air just before he began moving backwards. I'm not saying it was a good throw by any means, just that Plax could've gotten when healthy (as is, he only got about 6-10 inches off the ground and made a bad play on the ball in the air). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Yes it was in front of Plax. That's why I'm saying he shouldn't have dropped backwards. The ball was in the air just before he began moving backwards. I'm not saying it was a good throw by any means, just that Plax could've gotten when healthy (as is, he only got about 6-10 inches off the ground and made a bad play on the ball in the air). You're right. I just watched it again and Tillman is at full stretch while Plax barely got a jump off. If he'd stuck in place it would have been tough for Tillman to take it without PI, though I still maintain that the easiest TD comes from a corner ball. It was very tight coverage. Both INTs could have been broken up by the receiver if they reacted quicker, but both were off-target throws that favoured the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That ball should never have been thrown to Plaxico, Toomer and Shockey had better position under the goalposts, it was a panic throw by Eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Actually on the first INT I'm not so sure that Eli wasn't trying to hit Plax on a crossing route further back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 You can't support you're argument by using that as an example Nas, Toomer made a great catch there. That's what a WR is supposed to do. It's safe to say that our WR don't get open often and unless the ball is thrown between their eyes, they won't catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Nah, if you watch it again you'll see that when the ball was released Plax was in good position. He just kept moving backwards when the ball was in the air. Then his jump for the ball was just pathetic. Plax is tall but far from athletic. Give the CB credit for being athletic enough to catch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boohyah Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 That's what a WR is supposed to do. It's safe to say that our WR don't get open often and unless the ball is thrown between their eyes, they won't catch it. Well then, Toomer must have been laying on the ground because that's where his eyes would have to have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fringe Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Plax had back position and should have been moving backwards. If Eli put it high in the back corner it would have taken the defender out of the play entirely. It should have been an easy TD. that's the way i saw it as well. that ball should never be left short- to the back where its either TD or incomplete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Plax is tall but far from athletic. Give the CB credit for being athletic enough to catch it. Plax's whole game is about the jump ball and being physical. When he's healthy he out jump damn near anyone in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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