Gspotter Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 obviously we're going to play New England in the last game of the season. With their current attitude and the potential to be the only undefeated team in a dog's age, we need them to lose to the Colts, so they take out their starting players in the last game of the season (may need that win). Let's assume that in a weak NFC, we're one of the better teams: if we could make it to the big dance, do you really want to face the Pats in that game? Insert obvious critiques here............ Assuming we could both make it, I don't know if I'm not more pleased to make it further in the playoffs this year and show some real heart and then build on that with our coaching staff. I like that better than being 2-2 in the big dance. Of course all of this is if changes if the Pats have a few key injuries, but that doesn't seem to happen or slow them down much... Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'd like to think our D would bring the kind of pressure that's needed to disrupt The Tom Brady Show but that OLine is just phenomenal. I'd see no shame in losing to them at any stage this year, especially in the SB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 obviously we're going to play New England in the last game of the season. With their current attitude and the potential to be the only undefeated team in a dog's age, we need them to lose to the Colts, so they take out their starting players in the last game of the season (may need that win). Let's assume that in a weak NFC, we're one of the better teams: if we could make it to the big dance, do you really want to face the Pats in that game? Insert obvious critiques here............ Assuming we could both make it, I don't know if I'm not more pleased to make it further in the playoffs this year and show some real heart and then build on that with our coaching staff. I like that better than being 2-2 in the big dance. Of course all of this is if changes if the Pats have a few key injuries, but that doesn't seem to happen or slow them down much... Thoughts? No need to assume, we ARE the best in the NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 No need to assume, we ARE the best in the NFC. I wouldn't go that far yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 As far as the last game, if they lose to the colts, they may need the win at the end of the year for HFA. Either way, if they need the win for HFA or to go for a perfect season, we'll see the starters. After watching BB purposley trying to bury the skins and embarrass Gibbs, I see no reason to nbelieve they will lay down and rest anyone in the last game. I hate the skins, but after watching that fiasco, i've never wanted a team to lose as badly as i want them to now. Up 38-0 and they went for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter. Thats disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It is football as far as I am concerned. If you have a problem with them scoring, well you are the one who is letting them do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 It is football as far as I am concerned. If you have a problem with them scoring, well you are the one who is letting them do it. Bullshit. Scoring 50 points is fine, but going for it on 4th down in the 4th up 38 points is classless. If they did that to us, we'd be calling for Bill's head on a stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Bullshit. Scoring 50 points is fine, but going for it on 4th down in the 4th up 38 points is classless. If they did that to us, we'd be calling for Bill's head on a stick. I'd be calling for our defenders head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I'd be calling for our defenders head. Obviously. But you see nothing wrong with being up 38-0 in the 4th, going for it on 4th and short in FG territory. Then throwing it on 2nd and goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Obviously. But you see nothing wrong with being up 38-0 in the 4th, going for it on 4th and short in FG territory. Then throwing it on 2nd and goal? Not particularly. I would be more angry that my star players are out there risking injury. If it were the second team on the field and they went for it on 4th would you be equally upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Not particularly. I would be more angry that my star players are out there risking injury. If it were the second team on the field and they went for it on 4th would you be equally upset? Playing the starters is another thing, they didn't bring in the backups till they were up 45-0. If they went for it on the 4th in the 4th with ME at QB, I'd still call them classless chumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBLUE01 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Playing the starters is another thing, they didn't bring in the backups till they were up 45-0. If they went for it on the 4th in the 4th with ME at QB, I'd still call them classless chumps. Agreed VG. If you run the score to 56 points, hey, thats name of the game, score. But goin for it in 4th down in the 4th qtr up 38 points is complete classlessness. Not to mention risking injury. Its actually downright stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 My only criteria for unfair in scoring or really...poor form is when the team is so far behind you that each and every one of your starters would need to suffer a stroke (simultaneously) for the other team to climb back in it. This is just ridiculous. From your first day of football you learn to have character. This is not to say that you help people up off the ground who aren't on your team, but you also act like you've been there before whether it's your first TD or your 20th in a game. Bill B. is a classless dick. I've read about his breaking up of the marriage of a Giants' front office secretary's marriage and then I've read about his antics in NE. He's easily the most unlikable guy in football and though I admire his genius, I abhore his lack of class. When a team is more than 28 points behind you in the 4th, you can resort to running, not passing and there's no need to go for it on 4th. People who argue that have missed a big part of the character issue. Frankly, I enjoy watching NE become villified for its hubris and that will make Peyton even more beloved should he pull it off this week. Goodness knows I'll be rooting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Bullshit. Scoring 50 points is fine, but going for it on 4th down in the 4th up 38 points is classless. If they did that to us, we'd be calling for Bill's head on a stick. I've never understood this line of thinking. As far as I know there's no 'surrender rule' in football. This isn't chess or croquet, it's never pretended to be a game of gentlemen like cricket, and the fans both at home and in the stadium are wanting entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeMesiS Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Playing the starters is another thing, they didn't bring in the backups till they were up 45-0. If they went for it on the 4th in the 4th with ME at QB, I'd still call them classless chumps. Don't be surprised if teams start going for Brady knees once they feel NE is running up the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lubeck Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I've never understood this line of thinking. As far as I know there's no 'surrender rule' in football. This isn't chess or croquet, it's never pretended to be a game of gentlemen like cricket, and the fans both at home and in the stadium are wanting entertainment. Exactly my line of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 There's the added fact that breaking records translates directly into higher profiles and sponsorship dollars. Look how many ads bloody Peyton is in this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted October 30, 2007 Author Share Posted October 30, 2007 nce they feel NE is running up the score. Can't say as I'd be sad for the Pats if someone did. I don't agree with breaking the rules that way, but I also understand that some rules of conduct are understood, like not going for it on every fourth down, like not always onside kicking it, like not running a trick play every down, or like holding a RB up so another player can hit him. Some rules are understood and breaking them can have a big consequence. There's a little cheating in every game and on every play, but managable cheating that doesn't insult the game. Frankly, instead of hurting BRady (illegally), I wouldn't mind if the Colts ran Addai right into Billicheck's knee's. Who knows, that happened to the Vikings old coach, caused and ACL. If you intend to embarrass people, don't be surprised if they take to tactics. And the argument, just stop em, well if people could they would. Football just isn't that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Now that I think of it, all the 'sports' that I know of with 'surrender rules' start in 'C'. Chess, croquet, cricket, curling. They'd have to rename it 'chuckball' or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayD Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think if there is one team that has a shot to beat the Pats, its us. We have good balance, a aggressive D, and a Offense that can put up alot of points. Its not impossible. But I think the Colts are going to the show. Manning vs Manning, mmm sounds like a damn monster movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesta Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think I'd rather lose a close NFC championship then get blown out in the superbowl. I think it's a loss that's easier to bounce back from and build on, and we've been there and taken that step to win the superbowl the next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virginia Giant Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I've never understood this line of thinking. As far as I know there's no 'surrender rule' in football. This isn't chess or croquet, it's never pretended to be a game of gentlemen like cricket, and the fans both at home and in the stadium are wanting entertainment. There's supposed to be a thing in football called etiquette, class, sportsmanship etc. I will never say a team should layt down at any time, but they have runningbacks that need a lot more work than Brady. being up 38 - 0 in the 4th and going for it on 4th down, in FG position is classless. Then, being on the goalline and throwing it on 2nd and goal is another example. there's no need for it, they could just have easily run the ball or kicked the FG and let the Skins salvage some form of dignity. BB intentionally went to embarrass Gibbs and run up the score. It's classless, gutless and it hurts the game. In the same way a defender tries to hold up from blasting a QB 5 seconds after he;s thrown the ball so you don't hurt him, or not go for knees, or attempt to play the game with some kind of dignity and respect for your oppopnents, you don't run the score up. This is the NFL, not the NCAA. you're judged by the number of wins, not the margin of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFire Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 As far as the last game, if they lose to the colts, they may need the win at the end of the year for HFA. Either way, if they need the win for HFA or to go for a perfect season, we'll see the starters. After watching BB purposley trying to bury the skins and embarrass Gibbs, I see no reason to nbelieve they will lay down and rest anyone in the last game. I hate the skins, but after watching that fiasco, i've never wanted a team to lose as badly as i want them to now. Up 38-0 and they went for it on 4th down in the 4th quarter. Thats disgraceful. This is why I feel the Pats will not win the SB. They may have the best team in the NFL but they will embarrass a team that won't lose a second time. If anybody watches hockey Don Cherry once told a story on how when he was coaching he was beat down (by the Canadians I think) and the score run up unnecessarily. After that they never lost to that team for 5 years. The Pats being so cocky and brazen will be their downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gspotter Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yep, I also think it's easier to rebound from an NFC Championship loss than a SB. I just dont' see the Pats getting beaten and I just don't desire that ass whiping in the SB. Things might look different by then, but I'd be suprised to see their momentum come to a halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treehugger Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 There's supposed to be a thing in football called etiquette, class, sportsmanship etc. I will never say a team should layt down at any time, but they have runningbacks that need a lot more work than Brady. being up 38 - 0 in the 4th and going for it on 4th down, in FG position is classless. Then, being on the goalline and throwing it on 2nd and goal is another example. there's no need for it, they could just have easily run the ball or kicked the FG and let the Skins salvage some form of dignity. BB intentionally went to embarrass Gibbs and run up the score. It's classless, gutless and it hurts the game. In the same way a defender tries to hold up from blasting a QB 5 seconds after he;s thrown the ball so you don't hurt him, or not go for knees, or attempt to play the game with some kind of dignity and respect for your oppopnents, you don't run the score up. This is the NFL, not the NCAA. you're judged by the number of wins, not the margin of victory. I disagree with the emboldened points. Playing soft to spare another coach's feelings would hurt the game far more. I also think equating a big score to intentionally injuring a player is way, way off. Bill was laying some psychological groundwork for Indi more than trying to embarrass Gibbs (who's embarrassed himself enough since coming out of retirement and ruining his HoF career). After the horror of the 2003 wild card loss to SF I never think a margin can be too big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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