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Frank Gifford: '[Eli Manning] Will Be Better Than His Father'

Posted Jul 2nd 2007 12:42PM by Dan Benton

Filed under: NY Giants, NFC East, New York

 

Giants quarterback Eli Manning has had a target on his back since draft day of 2004. Because of the circumstances that brought him to New York, fans have had no patience for failure and expected perfection almost immediately. The bar was set even higher following his rookie season when fellow 2004 draftee Ben Roethlisberger helped the Pittsburgh Steelers win the Super Bowl.

 

Since then, Eli has been chewed up and spit out more times than I can even count. It seems like the majority of fans have already given up on him and are praying for someone new to step in. However, their logic seems flawed. Many will argue that his inaccuracy equals doom, but fail to note that he has improved in that area every season since becoming a starter. Others will argue that his body language - the deer in the headlights look - demonstrates the lack of being an effective leader. Yet they failed to mention his various comebacks and his overall superb performances in the fourth quarter.

 

Thankfully, former Giants superstar Frank Gifford is not as pessimistic. Not only does he believe Eli has the tools to be a good quarterback, he also believes he'll top the legacy left by his Father, Archie Manning.

 

"Get him a couple more receivers and get him a little more time to throw the ball and he'll be better than his Father," Gifford said on MSG's "State of the Giants."

With Tiki Barber now gone, Manning will finally be able to call this "his team." Let the critics call for his head all they want, by this time next year they will all be missing in action.

 

the first paragraph sums it up the best. One sentence speaks volumes about the whole "situation" and that is this.

New York, fans have had no patience for failure and expected perfection almost immediately.

 

Come on Ny(fan's) listen to what GnR are saying

 

take it slow

It'll work itself out fine

All we need is just a little patience

[BIGBLUE01]

the first paragraph sums it up the best. One sentence speaks volumes about the whole "situation" and that is this.

Come on Ny(fan's) listen to what GnR are saying

 

Im one of the few that hasnt gave up on Eli, but being better than his father? Is that really an accomplishment?

[NeMesiS]

'Get him a couple more receivers and get him a little more time to throw the ball and he'll be better than his Father," Gifford said on MSG's "State of the Giants."

 

Listen, I've been very hard on Eli. Especially after the Titans game. But, I think Frank Gifford is right about given Eli more time to throw the ball. There were time where it looked like Eli didn't have a center in front of him.

[Nas]

I've been a loyal fan of Eli since Day 1 and I won't jump ship... ever.

 

I know it takes a team to win anything. The QB position is my least worry ... this has been the case since we got the kid.

[Nas]

Im one of the few that hasnt gave up on Eli, but being better than his father? Is that really an accomplishment?

 

From what I know his father was a very good QB whose team sucked major balls... I don't think you measure a QB by how many SBs he wins (Dan Marino). So yeah that would be an accomplishment.

[BIGBLUE01]

From what I know his father was a very good QB whose team sucked major balls... I don't think you measure a QB by how many SBs he wins (Dan Marino). So yeah that would be an accomplishment.

 

I remember his team did suck, I just couldnt remember exactly how good Archie was.

[JayD]

I've been a loyal fan of Eli since Day 1 and I won't jump ship... ever.

 

I know it takes a team to win anything. The QB position is my least worry ... this has been the case since we got the kid.

 

 

Me to man. I cant even post on the Giants MB anymore cause those people just make me sick. Anyone can clearly see Eli is developing into a good QB, and will be very good in the near future. Why they thought he should be the best QB in the league striaght out the gate is beyond me. I think this year Eli steps up BIG time. But then, if he just gives us another 3000 yards, and another 24 TDs I'll be cool with that too.

[GorillaNJ]

Me to man. I cant even post on the Giants MB anymore cause those people just make me sick. Anyone can clearly see Eli is developing into a good QB, and will be very good in the near future. Why they thought he should be the best QB in the league striaght out the gate is beyond me. I think this year Eli steps up BIG time. But then, if he just gives us another 3000 yards, and another 24 TDs I'll be cool with that too.

If he can just continue to play the same way from week 9-17 that he did in the first 8 games he would be having all-pro seasons. That is directly attributed to the health of his team mates

[Sephiroth]

Man... pass the rose-colored glasses.

 

Hate to break it to you all, but Eli is going to look like SHIT this year.

 

His starting left tackle has been replaced with a guy who couldn't cut it as a right tackle. His primary check-down option and blitz pick-up guy is gone. Plax and Shock are still not gonna work out with him, and his favorite receiver is coming off an injury that has ended plenty of careers.

 

He gets a free pass this year. If he can't step it up next year, we need to find a new QB. If he looks BETTER this year it'll be a goddamned miracle.

[BIGBLUE01]

Man... pass the rose-colored glasses.

 

Hate to break it to you all, but Eli is going to look like SHIT this year.

 

His starting left tackle has been replaced with a guy who couldn't cut it as a right tackle. His primary check-down option and blitz pick-up guy is gone. Plax and Shock are still not gonna work out with him, and his favorite receiver is coming off an injury that has ended plenty of careers.

 

He gets a free pass this year. If he can't step it up next year, we need to find a new QB. If he looks BETTER this year it'll be a goddamned miracle.

 

No way, I agree with these guys, he's gettin better, and 3000+ yds and 24 TD's aint bad considering. Gorilla said it best, his performance was directly attributed to the health of his team.

[JayD]

Man... pass the rose-colored glasses.

 

Hate to break it to you all, but Eli is going to look like SHIT this year.

 

His starting left tackle has been replaced with a guy who couldn't cut it as a right tackle. His primary check-down option and blitz pick-up guy is gone. Plax and Shock are still not gonna work out with him, and his favorite receiver is coming off an injury that has ended plenty of careers.

 

He gets a free pass this year. If he can't step it up next year, we need to find a new QB. If he looks BETTER this year it'll be a goddamned miracle.

 

 

Jacobs will be better for Eli than Tiki was. Why do people think he cant pick up a blitz? Thats rediculas, the kid is a monster. He has good hands too. There will be a lot less 3rd and longs with Jacobs bounding the ball.

 

Diehl never had a chance to work on being a tackle, he was just thrown in there both times do to injury. Now that he will have the whole off season to work on it, he will do just fine, with way less penalties than Luke had. But hate if you gotta hate, just remember who told ya.

[JayD]

No way, I agree with these guys, he's gettin better, and 3000+ yds and 24 TD's aint bad considering. Gorilla said it best, his performance was directly attributed to the health of his team.

 

 

 

Ill take it a step further and say its pretty damn Good. We havent had a QB throw 24 TD's in my life time.

[fishgutmartyr]

His starting left tackle has been replaced with a guy who couldn't cut it as a right tackle. His primary check-down option and blitz pick-up guy is gone. Plax and Shock are still not gonna work out with him, and his favorite receiver is coming off an injury that has ended plenty of careers.

 

That's a myth. Diehl struggled early in the season as right tackle, but his game picked up towards the end of it. Exactly like you would expect from a person playing a new position.

 

Your response will be "If that's true, then why did we sign MacKenzie?" There's no doubt MacKenzie was an upgrade--he was playing at near-probowl level with the Jets. If you are able to get a player like that, you get him. But that didn't make Diehl the second coming of Ian Allen.

 

I doubt Diehl will go to the probowl as a LT. He's obviously a stop-gap until one of the young tackles pans out. But he did ok last year, with no real prep time at left tackle. And let's not rip into him for doing a decent, although unspectacular job at RT.

 

As far as the WRs are concerned, let's see what Smith and Moss offer before we start wearing black.

[BIGBLUE01]

Ill take it a step further and say its pretty damn Good. We havent had a QB throw 24 TD's in my life time.

 

I dont know how old you are, but Simms had 25 one year in the 80's. But I agree, its still pretty damn good.

[JayD]

I dont know how old you are, but Simms had 25 one year in the 80's. But I agree, its still pretty damn good.

 

 

Sorry bro, never happend

 

 

[edit] Passing statistics

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rate

1979 New York Giants 12 265 134 50.6 1743 13 14 66.0

1980 New York Giants 13 402 193 48.0 2321 15 19 58.9

1981 New York Giants 10 316 172 54.4 2031 11 9 74.0

1983 New York Giants 2 13 7 53.8 130 0 1 56.6

1984 New York Giants 16 533 286 53.7 4044 22 18 78.1

1985 New York Giants 16 495 275 55.6 3829 22 20 78.6

1986 New York Giants 16 468 259 55.3 3487 21 22 74.6

1987 New York Giants 9 282 163 57.8 2230 17 9 90.0

1988 New York Giants 15 479 253 54.9 3359 21 11 82.1

1989 New York Giants 15 405 228 56.3 3061 14 14 77.6

1990 New York Giants 14 311 184 59.2 2284 15 4 92.7

1991 New York Giants 6 141 82 58.3 993 8 4 87.0

1992 New York Giants 4 137 83 60.6 812 5 3 83.3

1993 New York Giants 16 400 247 61.8 3038 15 9 88.3

Career Totals 164 4647 2576 55.4 33462 199 157 78.5

 

 

He didnt even get 22, his best season till he was 5 years in the league.

 

I was born in 76

[BIGBLUE01]

Sorry bro, never happend

[edit] Passing statistics

Year Team GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Rate

1979 New York Giants 12 265 134 50.6 1743 13 14 66.0

1980 New York Giants 13 402 193 48.0 2321 15 19 58.9

1981 New York Giants 10 316 172 54.4 2031 11 9 74.0

1983 New York Giants 2 13 7 53.8 130 0 1 56.6

1984 New York Giants 16 533 286 53.7 4044 22 18 78.1

1985 New York Giants 16 495 275 55.6 3829 22 20 78.6

1986 New York Giants 16 468 259 55.3 3487 21 22 74.6

1987 New York Giants 9 282 163 57.8 2230 17 9 90.0

1988 New York Giants 15 479 253 54.9 3359 21 11 82.1

1989 New York Giants 15 405 228 56.3 3061 14 14 77.6

1990 New York Giants 14 311 184 59.2 2284 15 4 92.7

1991 New York Giants 6 141 82 58.3 993 8 4 87.0

1992 New York Giants 4 137 83 60.6 812 5 3 83.3

1993 New York Giants 16 400 247 61.8 3038 15 9 88.3

Career Totals 164 4647 2576 55.4 33462 199 157 78.5

He didnt even get 22, his best season till he was 5 years in the league.

 

I was born in 76

 

Actually, I went back and checked, and it was Tarkenton who had 25. I coulda swore Simms had 25 one yr, so thats why I mentioned him, cause I doubted you were old enough to watch Fran. Thanks for the brush up.

[BIGBLUE01]

Actually, I went back and checked, and it was Tarkenton who had 25. I coulda swore Simms had 25 one yr, so thats why I mentioned him, cause I doubted you were old enough to watch Fran. Thanks for the brush up.

 

 

I stand corrected. Even if it was myself who corrected me.

 

Fran had em w/ Minny. It hasnt been since Tittle in the 60's, a tad before my time. I remember them talkin before a game about Eli poss. breakin a team record if he got 25 TD's, I swear I do.

[lemmiwinks]

I stand corrected. Even if it was myself who corrected me.

 

Fran had em w/ Minny. It hasnt been since Tittle in the 60's, a tad before my time. I remember them talkin before a game about Eli poss. breakin a team record if he got 25 TD's, I swear I do.

 

Fran Tarkenton had 29 in 1967..His first year with the G-men

 

Y.A. Tittle had 36 in 1963...which I think is the team records...

 

Does anyone know where one could find a list of Giants records and who owns them?

[ccase39]

I remember his team did suck, I just couldnt remember exactly how good Archie was.

Archie got his ass pummled in the backfield more than david carr, had no offensive line (obviously) and had not on player that could catch the fricken ball. Despite these facts he had great accuracy. What alot of people dont realize about archie is not did he have a hell of an arm, he was VERY moble. He could run the shit out of the ball, which happened frequently because of the shit that surrounded him.