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nah, i expected towers to not be on that list as i am used to padres players and recent padres teams being overlooked and slept on. while i do like him he sucks at drafting, the farm system sucks right now and even though he eventually traded mirabelli back to boston 3 mo's later for meredith and bard he STILL did that intial trade of loretta for mirabelli.

 

schurholtz should be #1. theo shouldn't be on the list--he's been garbage since the world series (see trade above for one of many examples). and yeah, omar's made all the right moves, but trading with a team that's having a firesale (delgado, lo duca) and outspending everyone else for top free agents is something you're supposed to do when you are gm for the yanks, mets, and boston. you either do what you are supposed to do when you have resources like that or you're steve phillips. pat gillick? are they seriously saying pat gillick is a GOOD gm by making the thome trade? yeah thome had to be traded by the return sucked. rowand's a good player but he's basically jim edmonds pre-steroids, all glove and no bat. certainly not worthy of a player who was by far the first half AL mvp last season AND cash. and the white sox got back one of the prospects they traded to them this offseason anyway.

 

and mike flanigan? come on...

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nah, i expected towers to not be on that list as i am used to padres players and . while i do like him he sucks at drafting, the farm system sucks right now and even though he eventually traded mirabelli back to boston 3 mo's later for meredith and bard he STILL did that intial trade of loretta for mirabelli.

 

schurholtz should be #1. theo shouldn't be on the list--he's been garbage since the world series (see trade above for one of many examples). and yeah, omar's made all the right moves, but trading with a team that's having a firesale (delgado, lo duca) and outspending everyone else for top free agents is something you're supposed to do when you are gm for the yanks, mets, and boston. you either do what you are supposed to do when you have resources like that or you're steve phillips. pat gillick? are they seriously saying pat gillick is a GOOD gm by making the thome trade? yeah thome had to be traded by the return sucked. rowand's a good player but he's basically jim edmonds pre-steroids, all glove and no bat. certainly not worthy of a player who was by far the first half AL mvp last season AND cash. and the white sox got back one of the prospects they traded to them this offseason anyway.

 

and mike flanigan? come on...

 

What about the little things? Trading for Shawn Green, signing Jose Valentin, Moises Alou.

Trading Kris Anna Benson for John Maine and Orlando Hernandez.

 

All of his big moves nonwithstanding, Omar is one of the best GMs in baseball because of all the smart, unheralded moves he makes.

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i'm surprised about gillick and the guy from baltimore. sabean was good with pitchers but the farm hasn't developed a decent hitter since... matt williams, yikes!

 

the criteria is pretty weird because the author is trying to make it work for all sports.

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i'm surprised about gillick and the guy from baltimore. sabean was good with pitchers but the farm hasn't developed a decent hitter since... matt williams, yikes!

 

the criteria is pretty weird because the author is trying to make it work for all sports.

 

 

Gillick is a dumb ass. Sure you could sign and trade for good starting pitching, but if you have no bullpen, it's all for naught.

 

Sabean is good with pitchers, just ask the Minnesota Twins. :ph34r:

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Our approach defines management acumen as winning improvement and payroll containment above and beyond what a GM inherits upon taking over a team

in other words, if your predescesor (sp.) was a loser spendthrift (steve phillips) then you can become a hero easily.

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in other words, if your predescesor (sp.) was a loser spendthrift (steve phillips) then you can become a hero easily.

 

 

It wasn't Steve Phillips fault that Roger Cedeno, Jeromy Burnitz, Mo Vaughn and Roberto Alomar were complete busts.

Alomar was coming off one of his best years ever in Cleveland.

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It wasn't Steve Phillips fault that Roger Cedeno, Jeromy Burnitz, Mo Vaughn and Roberto Alomar were complete busts.

Alomar was coming off one of his best years ever in Cleveland.

well, we're all judged by results on our watch, whether its justified or not.

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well, we're all judged by results on our watch, whether its justified or not.

 

 

Agreed.

 

If your going to fault Phillips for anything it's hiring Art Howe as manager, NO ONE, and I repeat NO ONE should hire

an ex-Oakland A's manager, they just do as Billie Beane says. I'm convinced that Beane is just satisfied with making the

playoffs and not winning a world series, or even a playoff series. Sure moneyball works with a 162 game season, but

screws you in a 5 or 7 game series.

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Agreed.

 

If your going to fault Phillips for anything it's hiring Art Howe as manager, NO ONE, and I repeat NO ONE should hire

an ex-Oakland A's manager, they just do as Billie Beane says.

 

no one can kneel on the dugout steps and look pensive better than art howe.

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What about the little things? Trading for Shawn Green, signing Jose Valentin, Moises Alou.

Trading Kris Anna Benson for John Maine and Orlando Hernandez.

 

All of his big moves nonwithstanding, Omar is one of the best GMs in baseball because of all the smart, unheralded moves he makes.

 

cashman and omar are in no-win situations as far as respect goes. they have a competitive advantage over other gm's becuase of the resources available to them, if they underachieve a little they are failures and if they succeed, well they were supposed to. nobody liked the green trade until this season started and im not going to go nuts about him after 3 weeks. the benson deal was good but again that speaks more to why mike flanigan should NOT be on this list. and let's not forget omar made that deal wtih the idea that jorge julio would be a valuable contributor to the mets bullpen and john maine as a throw-in. he's done a good job with his small trades for the most part, but what turned the mets around (besides reyes and wright developing) was beltran and pedro--two guys they outbid everyone else for.

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mo vaughn was a horrible idea but alomar was can't miss and the mets managed to hype up wack ass alex escobar enough to pawn him off on a team for a perenial all-star (until he was a met). but phillips drafted wright and signed reyes, didn't he?

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cashman and omar are in no-win situations as far as respect goes. they have a competitive advantage over other gm's becuase of the resources available to them, if they underachieve a little they are failures and if they succeed, well they were supposed to. nobody liked the green trade until this season started and im not going to go nuts about him after 3 weeks. the benson deal was good but again that speaks more to why mike flanigan should NOT be on this list. and let's not forget omar made that deal wtih the idea that jorge julio would be a valuable contributor to the mets bullpen and john maine as a throw-in. he's done a good job with his small trades for the most part, but what turned the mets around (besides reyes and wright developing) was beltran and pedro--two guys they outbid everyone else for.

 

Yes Omar made the deal thinking Julio was going to be a contributor to the bullpen, but when you start calling up

scrubs like Jose Lima and Jermi Gonzalez to start games, that's a problem.

 

I loved the Nady deal when it happened, ashame he was traded, I liked him as a player.

 

Yes, Phillips did draft David Wright (thanks to Mike Hampton leaving to Colorado because of the "good school system" and not for the 115 Million dollars)

 

Phillips almost traded Wright for Jose Cruz Jr in 2001.

 

Yes, Phillips did sign Jose Reyes(thanks to Omar Minaya) and was almost traded for Lou Pinella and Roberto Alomar.

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is that the genius who signed Gagme?

Gagne is low risk high reward, we still have Aki thank God.

 

 

This is the brain trust that traded Chris Young, Soriano for Wilkerson and John Danks for Brandon McCarthy. Yeah it's early but McCarthy has now managed to not make it past the second inning 2 games in a row.

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Gagne is low risk high reward, we still have Aki thank God.

This is the brain trust that traded Chris Young, Soriano for Wilkerson and John Danks for Brandon McCarthy. Yeah it's early but McCarthy has now managed to not make it past the second inning 2 games in a row.

 

 

And the same guy who traded for a rental in Carlos Lee? Who is the only man who couldn't hit a homer

in Arlington stadium.

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And the same guy who traded for a rental in Carlos Lee? Who is the only man who couldn't hit a homer

in Arlington stadium.

Yeah, I wasn't too worried about losing the players we raded at the time, but now it would be nice to have Mench on the bench, although other than that 1 great week wasn't much to speak of last year.

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Gagne is low risk high reward, we still have Aki thank God.

This is the brain trust that traded Chris Young, Soriano for Wilkerson and John Danks for Brandon McCarthy. Yeah it's early but McCarthy has now managed to not make it past the second inning 2 games in a row.

 

i think 6 mil's too high to call it a low risk move. it didn't need to be made when they already had a top 15 closer. and all it did was make the young/sledge/gonzalez for otsuka/eaton deal look that much worse since they were sending the message that they didn't have faith in otsuka.

 

now that i bring up this trade i'm thinking that, despite the fact that the padres suck at drafting lately and took matt bush first overall and not verlander or jared weaver, towers should be on the list just for these recent moves:

 

bard/meredith for mirabelli

young/sledge/gonzalez for eaton/otsuka

heath bell/royce ring for ben johnson

cameron for nady

 

that's their starting catcher, 1b, LF, CF, 8th inning setup man, some bullpen depth and 2nd starter (who would be an ace on 20-25 of the other teams in the league) for a team that's won 2 divisions in a row and will be contenders for a 3rd this season. and all they ahd to give up was a backup catcher, an injured starting pitcher who ended up leaving via free agency, a proven setup man, their starting RF, and a backup OF who didn't even make the mets 25 man roster. that's really not bad at all, but as far as im concerned the jury is still out till the dust settles on the kouzmanoff/barfield trade. so far they are both sucking

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