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  1. Just now, BlueInCanada said:

    There's no more time to develop in the NFL anymore. 

    You have to win and win right away to keep your job.

    You see it all the time in the NFL Game and HCs fired after one or two years. 

    When you draft a rookie QB it's no longer let them sit behind the vet and get some experience.

    It's not draft a rookie QB and they better play and win now or else your out the door. 

    Which is what locks the Jets in perpetual hell.  If I am an owner, and I hire the coach I think is The Guy, and we draft a QB who we think is The Guy, I give the dude a 5 year contract with the promise he will get the full 5 years no matter what.  Might be a rough couple years, might lose some ticket sales, but shit who is going to Jets games?  Jags games? 

  2. I just don't understand how teams keep making the same mistakes with QBs.  They draft these guys at the top of the draft and throw them to the wolves right away.  I think a lot of promising careers have been ruined because GMs and coaches can't let their guy sit and learn a year.  I know a lot of it has to do with shortening the learning curve because coaching careers are short for losing teams, but how many of these guys survive their first year and go on to be upper echelon players?  I feel like if you have drafted your QB of the future, the first year you should carry 3 qbs.  One to play the game, the rookie, and a career backup vet that is constantly in the rookies ear explaining what is happening on the field.

    I guess a lot of guys do succeed after starting their first year, Kyler Murray played great today.

  3. 2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

    Sorry I should of said had time instead of clean pocket.

    You're right they sent the house which caused the breakdown in coverage and Slayton to be so wide open.

    However I meant Jones had his feet set, eyes downfield, and time to read, see Slayton breaking free and make the throw. 

    He wasn't scrambling, they didn't force him outside the pocket, off his back foot or anything like that.

    Those are throws your franchise QB should make more often than not. 

    And too his credit he did all of that, the blame is 50/50 in my mind.

    Slayton should of laid out for it or just caught the ball.

    But still this is a Jones thread not a Slayton thread lol 

    Yeah I remember it being over-thrown, and I do remember thinking while watching the replay during the game that he should have thrown the ball sooner.  It was like he was so shocked Slayton was so open he was looking for the hiding safety.

  4. 8 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

    So rewatching the Slayton drop/over throw.

    It did hit him in the finger tip and was catchable.

    But Jones had a clean pocket and could have dropped that ball into Slaytons arms, instead of putting the ball away from him like a DB was on his back.

    We've seen him make the throw before.

    But as usual nothing goes the Giants way. 

    Have not see the replay. But I thought he was about to take a hit when he left that go?  That's how my mind ferments it

  5. I dunno, I'm pretty encouraged after this game.  I hope this is the true week in and week out Daniel Jones.  And I hope the line that was out there in the 2nd half is here to stay. Defense needs to figure their shit out though.

    Jones has a definite preference for Sheppard though, maybe just the slot thing. 

  6. Much different Jones tonight.  He seems to understand he has very limited time to find the closest thing to an open man and get the ball out of his hands.  It's caused some high throws, but you gott expect that.  Like all of a sudden the concept of pocket awareness clicked, or maybe it's just he was told that he isn't going to have time to go through his reads, and he needs to scan for the most likely to be open based on the routes.

  7. 2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

    Good going Coughlin!

    That was his knock right?  Leg health?  Probably gonna miss a few games a year. Just hoping it isn't s lingering thing that affects his skill set

  8. Problem is this shit is so ingrained in the history of the sport, same with steroids, and is looked at so fondly in decades past that it is part of the culture and nostalgia of baseball, that MLB can't find the balance between saying "okay, we know this is going to happen here and there and it is fiun to occasionally see an umpire catch a guy with pine tar in his glove, or a nail file in his pocket - but then keeping it from becoming a part of every pitchers routine. 

    Fuck the outrage culture of fans and media and put the ban hammer away.  If you get caught, you serve a couple games suspension but it isn't taken too seriously.  Same with roids and all the other shit, if a guy gets caught, he gets a brief suspension because he broke a rule, but lets stop pretending the game today is any different that 50 years ago.  Guys cheat, cheating is part of the show, it's the pretending to be outraged by it that is less than 20 years old.

  9. 11 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:


    This has been a problem for Jones since his rookie year, he holds the ball far to long and doesnt dump it off. 

    Here's a good article about it; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/nfl/giants/.amp/big-blue-plus/new-york-giants-stressing-pocket-awareness-with-daniel-jones

    He's had time to throw but he fails to make the small check down reads or runs himself into pressure. 

    As you said there is a reason they got him more weapons because he needs to take a step forward with his QB play and he cant do it with Slayton and Gallman as the playmakers. 

    This year inst banking on the Oline it's banking on Jones who could be looking for a new team on 2022 of he doesn't improve his play.

    Yeah Jones biggest problem is a lack of feel for pressure. He's just oblivious half the time that there is anyone around him. Some guys have that internal clock or eyes in the back of their head. Daniel hasn't developed that yet. 

  10. 2 hours ago, BlueInCanada said:

    Like evey year after the draft, everyone is a pro bowler day one.

    We act like these guys or other guys we passed on will be good, or relevant but the truth is we really don't.

    In three year will know for sure, if this guy we passed on will be worth it or not.

    Until then another draft in the book now comes the best part grabbing up the UDFAs. 


    I can remember a few years ago JoMo pissed we didn't draft that LB because we ignored the LB group for years, he went in the 4rd round to the bears and I think he's out of the league now.

    Me, I was all in on Clint Sintim several years ago in the 1st rd, we got him in the 2nd and he flamed out pretty much immediately. 


  11. I'm really happy with the first 3 players we got, I can buy the excitement for the 4th guy - but my excitement for players selected in rds 4-7 is capped as experiments who will hopefully contribute in small ways. 

    Our first 3 picks netted guys who apparently all the experts say will contribute pretty much right away and become above average starters at least - according to the experts.  In addition to that, two picks in the first 3 rds next year, one being a 1st rd pick that might be top 15. 

    This has been one of my favorite drafts in a while.  This feels like that 2005 draft where long-time starters were picked into the 4th rd.  Of course I know shit about any of these guys and I'm just going by expert analysis and highlights.

    The final 3 rds is pretty much pull names from a hat, one of them might be on the team in 3 years, 2 of them might be in the league in 3 years.

  12. Just now, Virginia Giant said:

    I mean it is hard to not love this draft right now.  DG also isn't acting like he has intentions of retiring after the season;.

    Unless he's putting a package together to get Rodgers.

  13. I'd love for us to be one of those teams that year after years gets a blue chip OL in the first couple rounds, but I also like that the WR position is getting the attention it has needed.  Adding Golladay alone wouldn't have been enough, now jones has the physical guy that will come down with the ball in Golladay, the speed guys in Slayton and Ross, the chain mover in Sheppard, and now that x factor that can be put in a lot of places on the field and be explosive with the ball. 

    Lots of needs on a team that has been bad for a long time, so it may be oline, edge, cb.  I was honestly hoping for one of the top CBs to fall to 11, thinking we would be going with one of the Bama WRs.  To get a pretty exciting player and a first next year isa pretty good haul. 

  14. 18 hours ago, mastershake said:

    This is the most overrated QB class ever. I'm not 100% sold on Lawrence even. Mac Jones may end up the best of the bunch.

    I'm no analyst, but I have had the same kind of doubts about Lawrence.  I don't see what makes him the best prospect ever.  I mean I am rooting for him to be great, just because, but with Luck I saw it, with Lawrence, I can't seperate his skills from any of the other great college QBs that made or it didn't in the pros. 


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