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....and gay

pretty long time.....he's the leading vote-getter

guess what??? most 1st rounders go to bad teams....that's why we have the draft. but, if that's your argument, what about players like barry sanders???? he was surrounded by mediocrity (on both sides of the ball no less) his entire career and still managed to AT LEAST MAKE THE PLAYOFFS as well as multiple probowls and the HOF. face it, archie was overrated.....the man threw 125 TDs and 173 INTs...nuff said

so who taught cooper???

lemme guess what you're going to say, "archie has played on bad teams....it's not his fault, he was a great player." truth be told, he's one of the most overrated players ever. true he did play with the new orleans aints, but he also played with two different franchises and couldn't do anything with them either. you damn right i'm blaming it on him.......15 years and 3 different teams, yet he's NEVER played in a post-season game????? tell me then, if it's not his fault, then whose is it? he was simply never a leader

by the way he drinks, and picks up hot chicks (see pic below) i'd say kerry collins

you're absolutely right......but they do have these pics of prince manning floating around

waaaaa.......it was his first playoff game.........waaaaaaa..........give him some time........waaaaaaaaaa let's see how other active notable qbs did during their first playoff stint tom brady-won 16 - 13 vs. oakland raiders mcnabb-won 21 - 3 vs. tampa bay buccaneers roethlisberger-won 20 - 17 vs. jets kurt "I should have been the starter" warner-won 49 - 37 vs. minnesota vikings mcnair-won 22 - 16 vs. buffalo bills favre-won 28 - 24 at detroit lions kerry "i should have been the starter" collins won 26 - 17 vs. dallas cowboys culpepper-won 34 - 16 vs. new orleans saints wait a minute....... archie manning-played in the NFL for 15 seasons and NEVER LED HIS TEAM TO PLAYOFFS peyton manning-lost 16 -19 vs. tennessee titans eli manning-didn't even score looks like it runs in the family

before you can win a superbowl, you gotta be able to score in a playoff game

BUMP for today's crew that missed this loverly thread!!!!!

sheli finally says something worth posting....... Link

wow....just when you thought the country's reading comprehension skills advanced, you maggots took illiterateness to another level at no time did i say westy was "better" than tiki, however i did mention that you cannot compare the career's of the two because it would be skewed. how can you compare the careers when one has played twice as long as the other? it's like saying eli is a better qb than matt hasselbeck let the younger guy play a little while longer before you pass judgment

some things are better off not even addressed.....westbrook is the nfl's version of dirk nowitzki, a matchup nightmare if you think tiki is a better receiver than westbrook, you should go back over to general discussion....you don't even belong in this section

tiki's superiority??? are you serious??? are you evaluating the same stats i am??? westbrook was the same thing for the eagles....a 3rd down back and ST stud early on. he was behind staley and buckhalter view the stats again, but this time, take off the blue glasses. tiki scored 19 tds in his first four years...westbrook scored 29 tiki averaged 3.975 ypc......westbrook averaged 4.5 ypc did i mention that westbrook even passed for a td his rookie season???? tiki in 9 years still hasn't done that in summary, westbrook has better rushing stats, receiving stats and return stats......all with less fumbles andy doesn't use him that much? well that depends on your definition of "using a player" again comparing after 4 years, tiki had 785 touches.....westbrook had 792 you used to be a formitable foe once, now you're age is starting to show. does being a giant fan mean you ignore facts/stats?? maybe you shouldn't have stopped smoking just yet

slow down guys, i respect tiki for being one of the most underrated players in the NFL as well as a top rb, but just because westbrook DESTROYS the giants every time he plays against them, let's not forget that he's only been in the league 4 years (tiki has been playing nine) so it's unfair to compare tiki's and westbrook's careers as a whole......it's sorta like comparing lebron's to kobe's....let's wait until the younger player plays a few more years comparatively speaking, tiki's 1st four years pale in comparison to westbrook's Tiki Year G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD 1997 12 6 136 511 3.8 42 3 2 31 1998 16 4 52 166 3.2 23 0 1 8 1999 16 1 62 258 4.2 30 0 1 12 2000 16 12 213 1006 4.7 78 8 9 38 Westbrook Year G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD 2002 15 3 46 193 4.2 18 0 0 11 2003 15 8 117 613 5.2 62 7 6 27 2004 13 12 177 812 4.6 50 3 7 38 2005 12 12 156 617 4.0 31 3 5 27 in addition, during tiki's first four years, he fumbled the ball 18 times......westbrook fumbled the ball 6. plus westbrook returned punts during that span...in tiki's first four years he scored one td returning punts. westbrook scored twice westbrook is a MUCH better receiver than tiki....i wont even post those stats plus westbrook has always had to share the load at rb, unlike tiki...remember Duce Staley??? O|/\/N'D!!!!!!!

exactly....see my other thread for more details.

shhh.....these idiots let the talking heads at espn dictate their football knowledge

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**********BREAKING NEWS FROM LOCKHART********** great news!!!! pay them whatever it takes....believe me, it would be well worth it tell them we'll even throw in the orifices of gspotter and relyoneli to sweeten the deal!!!

where did we digress.....oh yeah, so what's the over/under of how long this relationship lasts between elisha and plax???

you're right....he actually hurt himself BEFORE training camp L I N K A G E After missing the final seven games of last season, Donovan McNabb said he's recovered from the sports hernia that sidelined the five-time Pro Bowler. McNabb took the podium at the NovaCare Complex on Tuesday after practice, his only press conference during the Eagles' final organized team activity. After enduring a season of injuries and controversy, McNabb has turned the page. That was his message in the team's post-draft mini-camps and it was apparent on Tuesday, when the questions focused on football. He discussed his recovery from the sports hernia, his confidence in the Eagles' young receivers and his decision to return to Arizona, his off-season home, before training camp. But entering a season where his health is the topic of conversation for football fans wondering whether the Eagles will return to NFC supremacy after a down year, McNabb assured the media that his health is not an issue. "I've felt I'm getting stronger and improving my flexibility," McNabb said. "I would like to say I'm at 100 percent, but you never know until you put the pads on in a scrimmage situation or a game situation this whole off-season." He dismissed the idea that it's the result of overworking the core. Rather, it's one of those luck-of-the-draw injuries that can't be controlled. "When it comes to a sports hernia, it seems like we just heard about it once I got it," McNabb said. "It's really not an explanation, to say you get it from overworking or overexert yourself or pay too much attention to core training. A lot of guys do that but they don't get hurt. It's not going to stop me." Quite the contrary, actually. McNabb said he's going to work harder, if that's possible. He said he always looks for ways to change his training, and this off-season, the focus is on becoming more cut rather than adding bulk. He even joked that he wants to prepare for pool parties over the summer so he can show off his body. It was typical McNabb, displaying his sense of humor even when being pressed about an injury from seven months ago. But he has an unflappable confidence, and that's evident when talking about everything from his rehab to his receivers. McNabb is aware the Eagles' receiving corps is sometimes maligned, and he said the group uses it as motivation. McNabb feels confident about the progress Reggie Brown made last season when he was forced into a starting role as a rookie, and views the experience as a tool that could catapult the second-year pro. He also singled out Todd Pinkston, who's worked hard to rehab from a season-ending Achilles injury suffered during training camp. McNabb knows the group doesn't have the star name that intrigues fans and the media, but feels the group can be productive nonetheless. "I've never been in a situation where I would sit and talk about my receivers," McNabb said. "I have the full confidence in my receivers. People have talked bad about my receivers ever since (Terrell Owens) showed up and they've continued to do it now that he's gone. And we've used to that as a motivation to go into every game, every practice, to make ourselves better. We have some guys who've made big plays for us and we have some guys who are going to make big plays for us, and I'm looking forward to letting them do that." McNabb spends his off-seasons working out in Arizona and often has receivers and running backs visit to work with him. While he said it's too early to tell who will come to Arizona following the OTAs because of prior commitments, McNabb views it as a place where he's comfortable training and will help prepare him for training camp and the season. It's all part of a McNabb who's looking ahead and not behind. It's a quarterback who's firmly established as a leader in a locker room that is focused on playing winning football. "It goes back to us being veterans," McNabb said. "We have to get us back to that whole situation of winning again."

why don't you make me, sally?

mcnabb was hurt since training camp....what was elisha's excuse?

give him time.....he and mcnabb lead their team to the same number of points in the playoffs last season difference is, mcnabb didn't play since week 10