CrazedDogs

Mahomes is so much more unlikeable than Brady. He's QB Karen.

that's even better news than their first round playoff blowout!

there's some smoke, but I'm not basing anything *anything* on info that came via Pat Leonard. His whole thing is twisting words around to create controversy. I kind of think he's the last hold out of old school NY sports media though. They almost all used to be awful, now its pretty much just Pat Leonard.

lol, well.... the same thought occurred to me.... definitely a red flag that he'd be friends with that douche. But a rule that's served me well, discard at least the 50% most salacious details from any Pat Leonard article, if not ignore him completely. That dude is a known liar, I refuse to even click a link that has his byline.

Pat Leonard? We're quoting him now?

Two (high) firsts, a second, a third, and change. This should be the 90s Cowboys all over again.

LOL, didn't Bienemy resign from the Chiefs just last year too? I'm up to six minutes of research.... lol, men and dudes, resignations are perfectly normal.

After doing a whole five minutes of research.... now I'm not sure its even true that most coaches are fired. I would have guessed that was true as well, but just based on a quick look at the activity this offseason, we've had a few head coach firings, a couple head coach resignations, and the vast majority of the assistants on those staffs regardless of the head coach's disposition have not been fired, they've either been released via settlement (i.e., the Wink treatment), or are still, for the moment under contact, likely with a settlement forthcoming. So 'most'? - maybe 60/40 at most, yeah. But maybe the opposite, maybe wildly in the opposite direction. And I'm pretty sure I have said, I think the way Wink was handled was perfectly fine. I'm not going to call it 'right', we're talking about two grown ass assholes here, it's disappointing they couldn't get along, but --- it was fine. The thing that mystifies me is why anyone would try to conjure up some sort of moral issue around it.

I'm not sure why you think it aids your point that Wink's resignation is somewhat unusual. .... especially because its only so unusual that its the second time in three years that Wink has been through this. And a general point, I wouldn't advise basing one's opinion of what is right or acceptable on whether or not it is of the 'majority'.

LOL no they're not. Seriously, they're not, right? Right? WTF is the world coming to.

you are clearly applying the moral standard of an at will workplace to men that work in a highly competitive enviroment; the kinds of guys that have agents, contracts, and enough assets that collecting unemployment isn't worth the hassle. Its an absurd, misplaced standard.

your point being?.....

They should have just fired him. It was so rude of the Patriots to be mean to Belichick until he resigned.

can't say that I follow offensive line coaches in the NFL all that closely, so Bricillo or almost anybody other than Stoutland or Munchak wasn't on my radar, but I did notice that the Raiders had a surprisingly competent offensive line. So I'm about as fired up for an assistant coach as I ever am.

This is how Wink left Baltimore too. Just one example of many. Coaches resign all the time, it isn't unusual.

LOL, dude, you shared your opinion right here, in considerable detail. You just didn't like how I framed it. But I definitely wasn't wrong. Nobody with any competitive nature at all would agree with you on this.

lol, but that difference of opinion clearly is that Wink = some average dude in an office done wrong. do we know that? Mutually agreed to part ways doesn't equate to 'fired'. Sounds like there was a settlement.

LOL, no, you asked who cared. A rhetorical question perhaps, but none the less a useless rhetorical question to your point given the folks running the team are obviously going to care. And no, I don't think someone who tries to manipulate opinions via the media necessarily deserves to be fired. It's a valid tactic. Lots of coaches operate that way. In his own way, I'm Daboll does as well. For ex. - the game balls to McKinney, and later to Wink. Parcells was known for it. I don't see that as a 'fire the man' level issue. I see it as a 'get your ass on the same page' level issue. And by the way, a couple aspects of my 'reading between the lines' take on this were off ---- Wink was informed before the Wilkins brothers were fired, not after. And apparently that's when he flipped out (if he even flipped out at all). I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Seems like perfectly normal workplace dynamics given the high stakes and competitive natures of all involved. You're evaluating this like we're talking about some dude at an office making an average living, and the poor bastard is being driven to quit to save the employer unemployment insurance cost. I'd take issue with that too. But we're not talking about some average guy engaged in at will employment. We're talking about a man with a multi-million-dollar contract.

You lost me, what kind of logic is that? Its literally Schoen's job to care about Mara's money. Its not Daboll's 'job', but it impacts him, so I'm sure he cares as well. And even I care about where Wink goes to coach next, so I'm guessing Schoen and Daboll sure have an opinion on it too. Wink is good, I wouldn't want to face his D twice a season. He can go back to the AFC or he can sit on his ass in 2024. He's under contract. Someone was going to the media to leak the Wink/Daboll conflict. Someone was going to the media to air out grievances with specific players (I thought McKinney was a dumbass too, so I just laughed at it, but still --- pretty shitty by a so called 'player's coach'). Someone just up and walked off their job paying over $1 million a year. I think we all should understand a little better now why things came to an end in Baltimore. Someone is a little bitch and his name is Wink.

I think that's too much money for Barkley. So I hope not. He played at a $6-8 million level in 2023. He'll be a year older in 2024. He'll come at a good guy premium and I'm cool with that, but I want to see my team win too, and not merely have a roster full of guys who are nice to root for.

I saw most of that too, so he's just a no-call, no-show. Hadn't seen the part about the argument being a joke story though. I feel kind of bad for Wink now.... this is past unprofessional and into the area that I have to wonder about his mental health. What NFL will want to hire him after this?

He's a good coach, I don't think they wanted to fire him.... I think they wanted to keep him if he were willing to at least pretend not be a big baby. And also, why fire him if you can get him out without owing him money while controlling which team he can go to? This is good for us. Wouldn't want to see him twice a year in DC.

I think Corum will be an outstanding NFL back if he lands on a team with a good OL. He's got rare vision and a solid build for taking what the D gives him.

WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job.

WOW! reading between the lines a bit, there's a clever bit of gamesmanship from Daboll and Schoen. Drew Wilkins is one of Wink's friends and he has been mentoring Wilkins towards a DC gig of his own. So Wink was being 'retained', but then Daboll and Schoen go behind his back and can the closest guy to Wink on the staff, probably knowing that Wink would lose his shit and resign.... thereby saving them the hassle (financial and otherwise) of canning Wink directly. Smart! And so Wink comes off as kind of a pussy. Its a tough business and Wilkins was the one position coach on D whose group had clearly underdeveloped and underperformed. Daboll canned his friend who wasn't cutting it, Bobby Johnson. Wink couldn't stomach the same deal on his side of the ball. Thats the reason one of them is a head coach, and the other is out of a job.