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#1 BlueInCanada

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 02:27 AM

Despite being touted as a "strong, mean, mauling guard" he's been playing like a real bitch so far.

 

He couldnt stop the Lions pass rush to save his life, and hasnt really been the guy the RBs have been running behind (Omameh)

 

Maybe he's just saving all his "mean" power for the regular season.

 

 



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 03:26 AM

He is still a rookie, offensive line is still a work in progress and this is still the preseason.  I expect Hernandez to have some trouble this year, most rookie offensive linemen do.



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 11:23 AM

I thought most of the pressure was coming off the right side last night

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 12:35 PM

I thought most of the pressure was coming off the right side last night

It was.  Flowers is no better on the right side and there's a reason Omameh is on his 4th team in 5 years.  That side is going to be a problem.  



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 12:53 PM

It was.  Flowers is no better on the right side and there's a reason Omameh is on his 4th team in 5 years.  That side is going to be a problem.  

 

Whhhaaaaa?

 

Omameh has been the only bright spot on the Oline so far.

 

Guy is the best one out there.

 

Solder and Flowers are gonna be a headache. 



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 03:12 PM

We must be watching different games! I see the second coming of John Jerry. I see the guy who the Jags made it a priority to replace.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 03:19 PM

We must be watching different games! I see the second coming of John Jerry. I see the guy who the Jags made it a priority to replace.

 

Yeah I was watching that game as well.  The knock on Omameh is that he is a better run blocker than pass protector.  If only we could merge Omameh & Jerry; Jeromeh would be a solid starter.



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:55 PM

Way too early to judge a guy after 2 games. 



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 10:12 PM

You're right.....but it's troubling when the early performance is consistent with the resume.  



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Posted 18 August 2018 - 11:02 PM

I'm not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that none of us can agree on the quality of OL play so far... They're all equally bad or equally good.

Solder is obviously the best of the group. And I paid attention to Halapio too --- not bad, he will be the center I think.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 11:47 PM

You're right.....but it's troubling when the early performance is consistent with the resume.  

 

I look at Omameh and see the weak link in a team that went deep in the playoffs.  Right side of the offensive line is going to be troublesome but at least Manning can see the trouble coming at move to his left now.  Hopefully the running game can undercut the pass rush.  



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 12:37 AM

Way too early to judge a guy after 2 games. 


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:44 AM

You're right.....but it's troubling when the early performance is consistent with the resume.  

No offense, we are year 4 of the Flowers experiment and we can't give this kid some time to develop?.C'mon.



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 09:41 AM

with the Giants sitting at #2 in the waiver wire order ....i'm still half expecting that we can hire somebody after the cuts to 53 that will upgrade the RHS of our bloody line 



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:30 AM

PFF's grades on Giant OL Friday night:

 

Nate Solder  73.5

Will Hernandez  77.5

John Halapio  58.9

Patrick Omameh  51.9

Erick Flowers  64.8

 

So outside of the one jail break, on the play originally called a fumble, then overturned to an incomplete pass, I guess Flowers didn't play that badly.  Not great but not a disaster, either.  



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:56 AM

PFF's grades on Giant OL Friday night:
 
Nate Solder  73.5
Will Hernandez  77.5
John Halapio  58.9
Patrick Omameh  51.9
Erick Flowers  64.8
 
So outside of the one jail break, on the play originally called a fumble, then overturned to an incomplete pass, I guess Flowers didn't play that badly.  Not great but not a disaster, either.  


Do you have a subscription to pff? Looks like a really cool site but not $10 a month cool.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:16 PM

If it were $10/year, I'd do it. 



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 03:25 PM

PFF's grades on Giant OL Friday night:

 

Nate Solder  73.5

Will Hernandez  77.5

John Halapio  58.9

Patrick Omameh  51.9

Erick Flowers  64.8

 

So outside of the one jail break, on the play originally called a fumble, then overturned to an incomplete pass, I guess Flowers didn't play that badly.  Not great but not a disaster, either.  

 

interesting, that grades out pretty well. I'm unclear on what 'average' is though. I know that elite players at a position usually grade out about 90 overall, good is in that 75 - 90 range, but I'm not sure what '51.9' is telling us --- is that acceptably average? Poor? 



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:01 PM

all I want is league average. Im optimistic after seeing them for two weeks

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:06 PM

 

interesting, that grades out pretty well. I'm unclear on what 'average' is though. I know that elite players at a position usually grade out about 90 overall, good is in that 75 - 90 range, but I'm not sure what '51.9' is telling us --- is that acceptably average? Poor? 

 

I'll go with poor if it is based on the NFL grading system.  The NFL hangs grades on guys prior to the draft and players receiving 50 were considered NFL backups.



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Posted 20 August 2018 - 12:04 PM

 
interesting, that grades out pretty well. I'm unclear on what 'average' is though. I know that elite players at a position usually grade out about 90 overall, good is in that 75 - 90 range, but I'm not sure what '51.9' is telling us --- is that acceptably average? Poor? 


Yeah, if you look at all of Webbs throws, most of the pressures are coming from Webbs right sides. Especially from Patricks omanlookout.

https://youtu.be/9BSwlOAnuyk

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 12:34 PM

If the line doesn't improve, Barkley will be wasted...and resigning Beckham may not make a whole lot of sense if he can't get the ball or if the offense is so one dimensional. I belueve more than most that it all starts up front. Don't need all pro bowlers..but competance at least

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 05:44 PM

We should consider this team as a rebuild team.

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 05:46 PM

We should consider this team as a rebuild team.


Yep.

I see 8 and 8 at best this year.

Maybe a playoff run next year in Eli's final season.

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 07:02 PM

I thought Hernandez was fine...also it's still only pre-season, game 2.

 

But yeah, 7-9 or 8-8 is likely with this team this year.






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